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[oSuJeff97]

What years are the 6 years in which osu was a 1 seed? Refresh my memory...

I didn't phrase that clearly enough.

I didn't mean that OSU was a #1 seed six other times. I meant that I don't really care that we've never had a #1 seed, because we've made it to the Final Four multiple times without it.

That said, OSU certainly deserved to be a #1 seed in 2004. That was one of the all-time hose jobs by the Committee. No way that St. Joe's deserved that #1 over us.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I didn't phrase that clearly enough.

I didn't mean that OSU was a #1 seed six other times. I meant that I don't really care that we've never had a #1 seed, because we've made it to the Final Four multiple times without it.

That said, OSU certainly deserved to be a #1 seed in 2004. That was one of the all-time hose jobs by the Committee. No way that St. Joe's deserved that #1 over us.

Well...in the modern era, when the NCAA tournament was more important, you have the same amount of Final Four's as we do.

I'm sure you don't care if osu ever gets a #1 seed, but that's probably because osu has never gotten one. If/when they ever get one, check back with me and let me know if you still don't care about it.

One more thing...notice the irony in your first paragraph you say "I don't really care", then in the 2nd paragraph you are complaining that osu didn't get a #1 seed in 2004 ("one of the all-time hose jobs"). Sure, you don't care...keep telling yourself that.

Thanks.

 

[209sooner]

Let's not forget that OU deserved a #1 seed in 2002 as well. By the way, nobody can say that #1 seeds don't matter if you don't reach the Final Four. It is a great accomplishment, and it shows that your team had a great season.

 

[oSuJeff97]

Well...in the modern era, when the NCAA tournament was more important, you have the same amount of Final Four's as we do.

So?

I wasn't talking about OU, was I?

I continually find it amazing that some of you think that every single statement I make on this site regarding OSU is meant to be some sort of comparsion to OU.

I'm sure you don't care if osu ever gets a #1 seed, but that's probably because osu has never gotten one.

Or, maybe it's because I value actual tournament performance over our seeding going in?

Two Final Fours without #1 seed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15 #1 seeds with no Final Fours.

If/when they ever get one, check back with me and let me know if you still don't care about it.

Sure I'll care about it... from the 4 days in between Selection Sunday and when the Tournament starts. Then I just want to win.

I certainly won't give two craps about getting a #1 seed if we get bounced in the second round. Because at that point, what difference does it make?

One more thing...notice the irony in your first paragraph you say "I don't really care", then in the 2nd paragraph you are complaining that osu didn't get a #1 seed in 2004 ("one of the all-time hose jobs").

There's nothing ironic about my post.

If you notice, I start that sentence with "That said", which is a transition that means "I recognize this might slightly conflict with what I just said."

Pointing out that the NCAA hosed OSU out of a #1 seed in 2004 doesn't change my stance on this issue.

I'm perfectly happy that we made the Final Four as a #2 seed. Had we received the #1 seed in 2004, but lost to St. Joe's in the regional final, I certainly wouldn't give two craps that we got that #1 seed.

YMMV

By the way, nobody can say that #1 seeds don't matter if you don't reach the Final Four. It is a great accomplishment, and it shows that your team had a great season.

I can go along with that. It is a nice accomplishment.

 

[Sooner04]

O-State getting that 2-seed in 2004 is the reason the Big 12 Tournament now runs from Wednesday through Saturday. I guarantee you this, if a team played the same games and won by the same margins as O-State did in 2004 but did so with a big "KANSAS" on the front of their jerseys they would've been a slam dunk 1-seed. The same goes for us in 2002.

That '04 O-State team was REALLY good. I took my g/f (now wife) to the game up there in Stillwater. At the time nobody knew how average we were and how good they were. We got run out of the building and the noise was unreal. We're sitting next to each other way up in the nosebleeds and she yells to me during the second half, "I CAN'T HEAR MYSELF THINK!"

Daniel Bobik, though. Yeesh.

 

[WaymanFan]

Let's not forget that OU deserved a #1 seed in 2002 as well. By the way, nobody can say that #1 seeds don't matter if you don't reach the Final Four. It is a great accomplishment, and it shows that your team had a great season.

Yes, OU deserved a #1 seed in 2002, but the Committee made up for the slight by giving OU a #1 seed the next year when Texas should have gotten it instead (Did I just say that?). You are also correct in that it really is a great accomplishment.

OU was also awarded a #1 seed in 1989 only because the Selection Committee made their decision prior to the OU-Missouri tourney final, the one which we got completely waxed. Had they waited, OU would have been a #2 seed, especially since they struggled to beat hapless Colorado in OT and needed a buzzer-beater to beat a decent but not great Iowa State team. It set up what could have been the biggest humiliation in all of college sports. We were down by 9 points to a #16 seed with about 4 minutes left in the game. It was as close to being in tears as I had ever been over a sporting event. Fortunately, ee scored the last 10 points to win.

As for OSU, they definitely deserved a #1 seed in 2004. They proved it by beating St. Joe's in the Elite Eight. That was a great starting 5 the Pokes had that year. If they had anything resembling a bench, I believe they would have cut down the nets. Fortunately, they didn't.

 

[Sooner04]

Yes, OU deserved a #1 seed in 2002, but the Committee made up for the slight by giving OU a #1 seed the next year when Texas should have gotten it instead (Did I just say that?). You are also correct in that it really is a great accomplishment.

Texas did get a 1-seed that year. They swept us in the regular season which allowed them to get the top spot in the San Antonio regional whereas we got shipped out to Albany.

 

[209sooner]

Yes, OU deserved a #1 seed in 2002, but the Committee made up for the slight by giving OU a #1 seed the next year when Texas should have gotten it instead (Did I just say that?). You are also correct in that it really is a great accomplishment.

You're right about our #1 seed in 2003. I thought we would definitely be a #2 seed (and probably deserved a #2 seed). But Texas also got a #1 seed that year. The team that probably should have been a #1 seed instead of us was Kansas. They beat #1 seed Arizona in the regional final and went on to lose to Syracuse in the finals.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Texas did get a 1-seed that year. They swept us in the regular season which allowed them to get the top spot in the San Antonio regional whereas we got shipped out to Albany.

We had the game in 2003 won and then we went on one of our patented no-scoring streaks and they beat us. I still get mad thinking about that game, because we'd have gotten Texas region and they would have probably gotten Albany and the Cuse in their backyard.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

We had the game in 2003 won and then we went on one of our patented no-scoring streaks and they beat us. I still get mad thinking about that game, because we'd have gotten Texas region and they would have probably gotten Albany and the Cuse in their backyard.

My ONLY frustration with a Sampson coached team were those seemingly endless offensive scoring droughts.

 

[WaymanFan]

Texas did get a 1-seed that year. They swept us in the regular season which allowed them to get the top spot in the San Antonio regional whereas we got shipped out to Albany.

Thanks for correcting me. It was Kansas who we beat out for a #2 seed. They were the conference champ, though we did beat them during the regular season. At that time, I thought they would have gotten the fourth #1 had OU been a #1 seed in 2002. I think the Committee felt compelled to give it to OU because if they didn't, it would appear as if the conference tournament really didn't mean that much...and we had just won it for the 3rd year in a row.

 

[WaymanFan]

My ONLY frustration with a Sampson coached team were those seemingly endless offensive scoring droughts.

Yeah, thankfully those things will never happen again. :ez-laugh: (Seriously, I get your point)

 

[Soonerman82]

We had the game in 2003 won and then we went on one of our patented no-scoring streaks and they beat us. I still get mad thinking about that game, because we'd have gotten Texas region and they would have probably gotten Albany and the Cuse in their backyard.

That and anytime we breathed on TJ Ford it was a foul.

 

[seniorsooner]

My ONLY frustration with a Sampson coached team were those seemingly endless offensive scoring droughts.

I will never forget being at the 2003 Big 12 tournament championship game when we didn't make a single field goal for the last FIFTEEN MINUTES of the game and still won 49-47 over Missouri. That is probably the craziest game I have ever witnessed in person. By the end of the game I was so upset/flabbergasted/disgusted I could rip my hair out but yet we won the game.

 

[oSuJeff97]

O-State getting that 2-seed in 2004 is the reason the Big 12 Tournament now runs from Wednesday through Saturday. I guarantee you this, if a team played the same games and won by the same margins as O-State did in 2004 but did so with a big "KANSAS" on the front of their jerseys they would've been a slam dunk 1-seed.

No doubt.

That team won the Big 12 regular season and tournament title, was #2 in the RPI ratings, and after they lost their first Big 12 game of the year on the road at Tech, they went 17-1 heading into the Big 12 tournament.

They only loss in that stretch was a double-OT loss to Missouri in Columbia... a game they lost by 1 point.

If Kansas had that identical profile, they might have been the #1 overall seed that year.

Daniel Bobik, though. Yeesh.

What's your problem with Bobik? He was an excellent college basketball player and a key contributor to that team.

As for OSU, they definitely deserved a #1 seed in 2004. They proved it by beating St. Joe's in the Elite Eight. That was a great starting 5 the Pokes had that year. If they had anything resembling a bench, I believe they would have cut down the nets. Fortunately, they didn't.

Nah... it wasn't the lack of a bench. We had several nice contributors off the bench that year... Terrance Crawford, Janover Witherspoon, Stevie Graham, Jason Miller... Frans Steyn... J/K

The problem was we had our first bad game in two months at the wrong time. We were a much better team than Georgia Tech and we jacked around for the first half and it cost us.

Even so, I'm not sure we would have beaten UConn in the championship game. They were the one team going into the tournament that year that I thought would give us problems.

Mainly because they were the only team in the field that could match up with us athletically across the board.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

Well...in the modern era, when the NCAA tournament was more important, you have the same amount of Final Four's as we do.
Thanks.

If you are going to negate OSU's success in the 40's and 50's, does this mean we negate OU's Football Success in the same time frame?

The fact is, OSU has 2 National Championships in Basketball. Kansas, Kentucky, and UCLA all have banners for their National Championships during that era, and you don't hear people talking about how they don't count.

The bottom line is this, no matter how much people do or don't want to admit:

OSU and OU BOTH have traditionally strong basketball programs, and their histories are nearly identical in many areas. Both have a few things that the other does not have: OU namely #1 seeds, OSU National Championships, and 2 legendary figures as Head Coaches.

Both have been and are Top 25-30 Jobs.

Before 1965, there was a period when OSU was a Top 10 Job. OU was probably a Top 10 job in the 80's.

At the end of the day, the success has been very close to equal.

:eddie187_jpg_xs:

 

[Big Old Booger]

If you are going to negate OSU's success in the 40's and 50's, does this mean we negate OU's Football Success in the same time frame?
The fact is, OSU has 2 National Championships in Basketball. Kansas, Kentucky, and UCLA all have banners for their National Championships during that era, and you don't hear people talking about how they don't count.

The bottom line is this, no matter how much people do or don't want to admit:

OSU and OU BOTH have traditionally strong basketball programs, and their histories are nearly identical in many areas. Both have a few things that the other does not have: OU namely #1 seeds, OSU National Championships, and 2 legendary figures as Head Coaches.

Both have been and are Top 25-30 Jobs.

Before 1965, there was a period when OSU was a Top 10 Job. OU was probably a Top 10 job in the 80's.

At the end of the day, the success has been very close to equal.

:eddie187_jpg_xs:

Since the modern era is considered to be from 1950 and after, no we do not negate any of OU's football national championships.

If you didn't know, in the 40's the NIT was more prestigious than the NCAA tournament, so the better teams opted for the NIT. Just an FYI there...

And, OU was never a top 10 coaching job in basketball and neither was osu.

I know osu had Iba, who was legendary, but who was the other? Paul Hansen? Or the drunk? Sorry...Eddie Sutton is only legendary in Stillwater watering holes... :ez-roll:

 

[Velvet Elvis]

Sure. Whatever time frame you want to count by.

My error, please subsitute the word "Job" for "Program".

I am well aware of the History of the NIT and the NCAA Tournament. Please tell Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, and Indiana that none of the National Championships before 19_____ (Date of your choosing) does not matter.

Yes, Henry Iba was a legendary coach. Like it or not, so was "the drunk". 751 + 804 wins between the 2.

 

[stoops4pres]

O-State getting that 2-seed in 2004 is the reason the Big 12 Tournament now runs from Wednesday through Saturday.

True that. OU getting hosed big time in 2002 (when Cinci got the last #1 seed) is another reason why. No way OU shouldn't have been a 2 seed, they earned the 1 seed during the regular season.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Sure. Whatever time frame you want to count by.

My error, please subsitute the word "Job" for "Program".

I am well aware of the History of the NIT and the NCAA Tournament. Please tell Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, and Indiana that none of the National Championships before 19_____ (Date of your choosing) does not matter.

Yes, Henry Iba was a legendary coach. Like it or not, so was "the drunk". 751 + 804 wins between the 2.

I want some of what you are smoking. No way, no way is Eddie Sutton considered "legendary" for anything other than placing Kentucky on probation and being an alcoholic who allowed the alcohol to ruin his career and his sons (drugs and alcohol).

The guy never won an NC so come on he is not legendary and never will be as far as the NCAA is concerned.