Speaking volumes about Baylor culture
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Based on what I heard at the start of the ND/FSU women's game today, KM has been in damage control mode since last night.
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I couldn't agree more!
Mulkey made it clear in the "speech" she gave to the Baylor faithful that she doesn't give a rat's rear end about the victims of the horrific assaults 19 or more young women suffered, while coaches and administrators at "the best school in America" (Mulkey's words not mine) scrambled to cover it up.
Kim Mulkey is a prime example of what is wrong at Baylor, not what is right.
+1!
And she's only making a comment because it is now apparently affecting her. I don't believe she's been involved in the campus/admin meetings with regards to this travesty. Mulkey is selfish with a capital S.E.L.F.I.S.H.!
Drayton "Booger Pickens" McLane and woman whose name is on softball stadium (Getterman) were also in attendance and no doubt cheered her on!
IMO, public and private schools should not be in same leagues unless private schools sign off on releasing exactly same information public schools are required to release.
Boren and Castiglione need to be taken to task for not forcing the issue on Baylor out of the conference. It's gotten to the point where OU associating with Baylor is hurting our brand. Boren and Castiglione allowing these rape enablers to continue to collect Big XII checks is a major problem. Basically every contract out there includes morality clauses. It should not be difficult to get this embarrassment out of the conference.
Honestly, that entire university should be shut down, but at the very least stopping the tens of millions of dollars flowing in annually should at least motivate them to gut their rotten core.
Honestly, that entire university should be shut down, but at the very least stopping the tens of millions of dollars flowing in annually should at least motivate them to gut their rotten core.
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How do you know they haven't done that? If someone did do that, they wouldn't want it publicized unless it was a done deal.
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From the Houston Chronicle:
Baylor, Kim Mulkey take step back after insensitive speech
By Jenny Dial Creech, Houston Chronicle
aylor has taken several steps forward.
On Saturday night, Kim Mulkey just took a giant one backward.
The Lady Bears' basketball coach turned a night when every headline would have been positive into storm of negativity by defending the embattled university's sexual assault scandal.
Baylor beat Texas Tech 86-48 Saturday, giving Mulkey her 500th win at the university and the Lady Bears their seventh consecutive Big 12 regular-season title. Amid celebrating the accomplishments, she spoke to fans at Waco's Ferrell Center.
"If somebody's around you and they ever say, 'I will never send my daughter to Baylor,' you knock them right in the face," she told the crowd of cheering fans.
Let that sink in a moment.
After the university has has worked to turn things around after dozens of allegations of domestic and sexual assault, Mulkey's instinct is to encourage fans who question the morals and ethics of the institution to incite violence.
Even if her words were not intended to be taken literally, they were incredibly insensitive, considering that more than 50 victims (that we know of) have come forward to bravely share their horrific experiences of being assaulted at the Baptist university.
She finished her passionate speech by calling Baylor "the best damn school in America."
At a press conference later, Mulkey tried to justify her comments. She explained she was tired of hearing about the story from national media.
"If they didn't sit in those meetings and they weren't a part of the investigation, then you're repeating things that you've heard," she said. "It's over, it's done. And this is a great institution. And I would send my daughter here. And I'd pay for anybody's else's daughter to come here. I work here every day. I'm in the know. And I'm tired of hearing it. This is a great institution. The problems we have at Baylor are no different than the problems at any other school in America. Period. Move on. Find another story to write."
Let's break this down, shall we?
A: You know what victims of sexual assault are tired of hearing? That because it happens elsewhere, it's somehow OK to ignore. For a woman in a leadership role to dismiss this casually is disheartening, disrespectful and disgusting.
B: As a member of the media, I did my research. I investigated. I pored over court documents, corroborated accounts, read through Title IX regulations, spoke with experts, spoke with lawyers, spoke with Baylor leadership.
More importantly, I sat with victims. I listened. I cared. I reported their stories in hopes that we could make a difference and stop these violent acts from happening again. If Mulkey has done any of that, I would love to hear the reasons why she thinks we should all move on.
C: The problems at Baylor are different than other schools in America. It's unfortunately true that women students are raped and assaulted At many other schools. This is a nationwide epidemic that needs attention and action. But Baylor's issues went beyond the norm because the university had leadership in place that didn't respond appropriately, didn't act.
Baylor has made positive changes. Regents there have fired coaches and officials. They've brought in people who care. They've committed to make changes, to be an example of how to right the wrongs.
Then Mulkey shows us that maybe the culture of the school isn't changing just yet.
She has made controversial headlines before. In 2013, Houston native and former Baylor basketball star Brittney Griner said Mulkey told players not be openly gay because it would hurt the program and recruiting.
Now, it seems as if she wants to ensure her recruiting doesn't suffer in the wake of Baylor's issues by denying that they are actually a problem.
Mulkey is entitled to believe whatever she wants. It's unfortunate that she feels this way, though, because she is someone who could bring about real change.
She's a wonderful basketball coach, a passionate person, a leader.
She could speak for women. She could show support for victims.
She could help Baylor in its quest to become a better and safer place.
Instead, she chooses to deny, deflect and ignore.
Some compassion and sympathy for victims would go a long way. Acknowledging their struggles and taking proper actions to make sure others don't go through the same is essential for Baylor.
It's clear that much of the leadership at the university understands that. It's clear that many people there, including new football coach Matt Rhule, are dedicated to change.
Mulkey's recent tirade slows the progress.
On a night where her accomplishments should have been uplifting, Baylor's strongest and most influential female leader chose to swerve in the opposite direction.
Baylor, Kim Mulkey take step back after insensitive speech
By Jenny Dial Creech, Houston Chronicle
aylor has taken several steps forward.
On Saturday night, Kim Mulkey just took a giant one backward.
The Lady Bears' basketball coach turned a night when every headline would have been positive into storm of negativity by defending the embattled university's sexual assault scandal.
Baylor beat Texas Tech 86-48 Saturday, giving Mulkey her 500th win at the university and the Lady Bears their seventh consecutive Big 12 regular-season title. Amid celebrating the accomplishments, she spoke to fans at Waco's Ferrell Center.
"If somebody's around you and they ever say, 'I will never send my daughter to Baylor,' you knock them right in the face," she told the crowd of cheering fans.
Let that sink in a moment.
After the university has has worked to turn things around after dozens of allegations of domestic and sexual assault, Mulkey's instinct is to encourage fans who question the morals and ethics of the institution to incite violence.
Even if her words were not intended to be taken literally, they were incredibly insensitive, considering that more than 50 victims (that we know of) have come forward to bravely share their horrific experiences of being assaulted at the Baptist university.
She finished her passionate speech by calling Baylor "the best damn school in America."
At a press conference later, Mulkey tried to justify her comments. She explained she was tired of hearing about the story from national media.
"If they didn't sit in those meetings and they weren't a part of the investigation, then you're repeating things that you've heard," she said. "It's over, it's done. And this is a great institution. And I would send my daughter here. And I'd pay for anybody's else's daughter to come here. I work here every day. I'm in the know. And I'm tired of hearing it. This is a great institution. The problems we have at Baylor are no different than the problems at any other school in America. Period. Move on. Find another story to write."
Let's break this down, shall we?
A: You know what victims of sexual assault are tired of hearing? That because it happens elsewhere, it's somehow OK to ignore. For a woman in a leadership role to dismiss this casually is disheartening, disrespectful and disgusting.
B: As a member of the media, I did my research. I investigated. I pored over court documents, corroborated accounts, read through Title IX regulations, spoke with experts, spoke with lawyers, spoke with Baylor leadership.
More importantly, I sat with victims. I listened. I cared. I reported their stories in hopes that we could make a difference and stop these violent acts from happening again. If Mulkey has done any of that, I would love to hear the reasons why she thinks we should all move on.
C: The problems at Baylor are different than other schools in America. It's unfortunately true that women students are raped and assaulted At many other schools. This is a nationwide epidemic that needs attention and action. But Baylor's issues went beyond the norm because the university had leadership in place that didn't respond appropriately, didn't act.
Baylor has made positive changes. Regents there have fired coaches and officials. They've brought in people who care. They've committed to make changes, to be an example of how to right the wrongs.
Then Mulkey shows us that maybe the culture of the school isn't changing just yet.
She has made controversial headlines before. In 2013, Houston native and former Baylor basketball star Brittney Griner said Mulkey told players not be openly gay because it would hurt the program and recruiting.
Now, it seems as if she wants to ensure her recruiting doesn't suffer in the wake of Baylor's issues by denying that they are actually a problem.
Mulkey is entitled to believe whatever she wants. It's unfortunate that she feels this way, though, because she is someone who could bring about real change.
She's a wonderful basketball coach, a passionate person, a leader.
She could speak for women. She could show support for victims.
She could help Baylor in its quest to become a better and safer place.
Instead, she chooses to deny, deflect and ignore.
Some compassion and sympathy for victims would go a long way. Acknowledging their struggles and taking proper actions to make sure others don't go through the same is essential for Baylor.
It's clear that much of the leadership at the university understands that. It's clear that many people there, including new football coach Matt Rhule, are dedicated to change.
Mulkey's recent tirade slows the progress.
On a night where her accomplishments should have been uplifting, Baylor's strongest and most influential female leader chose to swerve in the opposite direction.
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I echo the sentiments of everyone here. It's clear that Baylor does lack institutional control and should be treated as such by the NCAA and the Big 12. I called them institutionally immoral several months ago and on 1 thread here just a couple weeks back said that I've already told my kids, now 14 and 15, that they will not go to Baylor, despite the fact that we live in the Houston area.
It's not just about not letting our daughters go to school there. What about our sons? What kind of a message does it say to our sons if we suggest that it's OK to treat women the way they've been treated at Baylor? It's not just the rapes, which are numerous and horrific. It's the cover-ups within the athletic department and the university. Art Brides and other assistants encouraged some of these women to change their story. Administrators at the university threatened to inform some of these girls' parents and put the girls on probation for violating rules against consuming alcohol as retaliation for reporting their assaults.
If Kim Mulkey or anyone else associated with that university really loved Baylor they would work to clean up its image not tell anyone who's concerned about how women are treated there to "F-off!"
It's not just about not letting our daughters go to school there. What about our sons? What kind of a message does it say to our sons if we suggest that it's OK to treat women the way they've been treated at Baylor? It's not just the rapes, which are numerous and horrific. It's the cover-ups within the athletic department and the university. Art Brides and other assistants encouraged some of these women to change their story. Administrators at the university threatened to inform some of these girls' parents and put the girls on probation for violating rules against consuming alcohol as retaliation for reporting their assaults.
If Kim Mulkey or anyone else associated with that university really loved Baylor they would work to clean up its image not tell anyone who's concerned about how women are treated there to "F-off!"
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Jenny Creech does great work for the Chronicle. I believe she's a former Sooner.
Great post!
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Imagine if, after the Mixon video was released, Stoops had come out and said, "that was 3 years ago. You should punch anyone in the face who doesn't want to send their daughter to OU." Imagine the furor! Stoops would've been fired. No question about it.
They can present their thoughts on the matter regardless of its status. At some point you just have to stand up for what's right.
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best case scenario is the big 12 forces baylor out, and somehow being at 9 teams allows the Grant of Rights to be broken and OU can leave this hellhole
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Form a totally new league without any Texas schools other than UT.
OU
OSU
Kansas
Kansas State
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Texas
BYU
Boise State
South Florida
Central Florida
Florida International (4th largest school in the United States)
Now that's an amazing league with tons of potential. All the major Florida markets are covered, BYU gets in the fold, and you leave the hangers on of the Big 12 to get in leagues where they belong. Plenty of football firepower with OU, OSU, Boise State, Texas, BYU, WVU, and KSU. Cincy and the Florida schools would be a few years out but I imagine would start recruiting very well.
Texas Tech and TCU can join the Mountain West to fill in for BYU and maybe Boise leaving.... They belong there anyway. Baylor can go independent, or join the Mountain West or American Conference, again, where they belong.
OU
OSU
Kansas
Kansas State
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Texas
BYU
Boise State
South Florida
Central Florida
Florida International (4th largest school in the United States)
Now that's an amazing league with tons of potential. All the major Florida markets are covered, BYU gets in the fold, and you leave the hangers on of the Big 12 to get in leagues where they belong. Plenty of football firepower with OU, OSU, Boise State, Texas, BYU, WVU, and KSU. Cincy and the Florida schools would be a few years out but I imagine would start recruiting very well.
Texas Tech and TCU can join the Mountain West to fill in for BYU and maybe Boise leaving.... They belong there anyway. Baylor can go independent, or join the Mountain West or American Conference, again, where they belong.
As a football conference, that is hot garbage.
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Whaaaat? OU, OSU, Texas, Cincy, Boise, BYU, KSU.. Boise and BYU alone are big upgrades over Tech and TCU.
Give it 3-5 years and see what those Florida schools look like as well.
In the Gary Patterson era, TCU has been arguably better than all the teams you listed except OU and Texas.
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