Stevie Clark - Update

I don't see how this makes him a bad person. He made some mistakes but they were not terribly different than the mistakes I made at his age. I just wasn't in the public spot light.
 
He's not as bad as some of you think. And I've been hard on him.
 
He still is just a kid. I hope he lands somewhere and gets his life back on track.
 
He's not a gang-banger or anything like that. He made some typical college freshman mistakes. It just so happens that he was a high-profile student/athlete. You don't have to look that far back to see OU bball and football players that did way worse and yet somehow managed to stay around for longer than they should have. I think his website is more of a little PR for him.
 
I agree.

He made the same mistakes that many college students make but being a high profile kid, his mistakes were made public.

Hope he gets his life together and makes something of himself.
 
I work with someone who used to work at Douglas. Osu fan also. His words, not mine..."once a thug, always a thug".

Like I said, not my words. Actually heard from a friend who officiated several Douglas games that little brother was more of a pain than Stevie.
 
tsou89 said:
I work with someone who used to work at Douglas. Osu fan also. His words, not mine..."once a thug, always a thug".

Like I said, not my words. Actually heard from a friend who officiated several Douglas games that little brother was more of a pain than Stevie.
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Someone might have said that but that isn't remotely true. I wasn't a good kid. I was a smart ass. I was a borderline delinquent, always doing just enough not to get in major trouble. I made bad grades.

However, I matured and today I am both a CPA and an attorney.

Even if you don't agree that people don't change, there is no evidence Stevie Clark is a thug. He is stoner and he thought it would be funny to piss out of the window of a moving car. When we are intoxicated lots of things seem funny that really aren't. If the kid was stealing or assaulting people I might call him a thug. However, even for stealing I would be reluctant to call him a thug. I don't think Fitzgerald and Pledger were thugs and they shoplifted. People do stupid things.
 
I don't think anybody has a major problem with Stevie smoking pot. Or even pissing out of a moving car. The problem is that he got busted what, 2-3 times for the pot, and then the car pissing issue, all in about 6 weeks? All DURING conference season? That isn't the same as some kid that fails a drug test in May, and then again the next October. It's the frequency, the lack of caring, or changing, and all the other stuff that goes with that family. As far as any of us know, pot is what got him in trouble out in Vegas while he was still in HS. Always thought the story of "missing home" was kind of lame.
 
WTSooner said:
I don't think anybody has a major problem with Stevie smoking pot. Or even pissing out of a moving car. The problem is that he got busted what, 2-3 times for the pot, and then the car pissing issue, all in about 6 weeks? All DURING conference season? That isn't the same as some kid that fails a drug test in May, and then again the next October. It's the frequency, the lack of caring, or changing, and all the other stuff that goes with that family. As far as any of us know, pot is what got him in trouble out in Vegas while he was still in HS. Always thought the story of "missing home" was kind of lame.
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I read about a story about that the prep school may not have went through the requirements to be a legit school. Could have gotten him into trouble academically.
 
BCSooners said:
I read about a story about that the prep school may not have went through the requirements to be a legit school. Could have gotten him into trouble academically.
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Maybe, but that isn't the reason the family gave for him leaving.
 
WTSooner said:
I don't think anybody has a major problem with Stevie smoking pot. Or even pissing out of a moving car. The problem is that he got busted what, 2-3 times for the pot, and then the car pissing issue, all in about 6 weeks? All DURING conference season? That isn't the same as some kid that fails a drug test in May, and then again the next October. It's the frequency, the lack of caring, or changing, and all the other stuff that goes with that family. As far as any of us know, pot is what got him in trouble out in Vegas while he was still in HS. Always thought the story of "missing home" was kind of lame.
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A major problem with smoking pot or urinating out of a car window? I wouldn't call it a major problem, except when a law enforcement officer catches you doing it. No matter how you or I might feel about it, the fact remains that both acts are illegal in nearly every state. Stevie knew that, yet he did it anyway. That's where "kids his age do stupid things" enters the picture. The problem in his case, as you correctly pointed out, is that he didn't learn from the first mistake or the second or the third.

OU has had its share of kids who did stupid things over the years. No need to rehash them, most of us are all too familiar with the stories. It happens in a lot of schools, we just don't hear about it most of the time.

Words can't express how happy I am that OU hasn't had a single embarrassing story hit the press or the Internet (at least that I'm aware of) since Lon Kruger came to Norman. Maybe we did and I somehow blocked it from my memory. We went through two straight years of one embarrassing incident after another, and I never want to go there again! Doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. Kids will be kids sometimes and we all know how that can turn out. But, for now, I'm enjoying the view from a proud fan's perspective!
 
tsou89 said:
His words, not mine..."once a thug, always a thug".
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I'm echoing Denver, but it's worth repeating: What nonsense this is. Especially when speaking of an 18-year-old.

People change, in any number of ways -- they grow, they learn from mistakes, they mature, they wise up, they find faith.

And if I never see the word thug on a sports board again, it'll be too soon. What a repugnant term.
 
skyvue said:
I'm echoing Denver, but it's worth repeating: What nonsense this is. Especially when speaking of an 18-year-old.

People change, in any number of ways -- they grow, they learn from mistakes, they mature, they wise up, they find faith.

And if I never see the word thug on a sports board again, it'll be too soon. What a repugnant term.
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I never really thought of myself as a "thug" when I was Stevie's age. But thinking back on some of the things I did, I can see how someone might have used that word...inappropriately, I might add. I was never a bad kid, I just did dumb things.

Thank God I survived them and turned out okay, although a few people I know might argue that point. lol
 
Here Here. Lucky I did not end up in jail. Now doing well, was an officer, so turned out OK. Sometimes you are young and stupid, but it can get better.
 
skyvue said:
I'm echoing Denver, but it's worth repeating: What nonsense this is. Especially when speaking of an 18-year-old.

People change, in any number of ways -- they grow, they learn from mistakes, they mature, they wise up, they find faith.

And if I never see the word thug on a sports board again, it'll be too soon. What a repugnant term.
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Guys, I'm just repeating what I have been told so don't shoot the messenger.

But this guy does know him and I assume you don't. And to say "people change and grow" is an assumption. No guarantees. Just cause you figured it out doesn't mean anyone else will.

Anyway, glad he's not at OU. OU doesn't need that type of press.
 
tsou89 said:
Guys, I'm just repeating what I have been told so don't shoot the messenger.

But this guy does know him and I assume you don't. And to say "people change and grow" is an assumption. No guarantees. Just cause you figured it out doesn't mean anyone else will.
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Not shooting the messenger, just responding to the guy's remark.

And he's the one offering the guarantee, not me/us. "Once a thug, always a thug" leaves no room for growth, maturation or redemption.

Ada, I don't know about when you were young (though I think we're close to the same age), but you would not likely be called a thug today, no matter how you behaved. That word is generally reserved for black men. I haven't seen or heard it used to describe a white guy in many years.
 
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