Stevie Clark - Update

I wish he had come to OU. I think our guys on our team could actually help the kid. Also including the coaching staff, but I hate seeing kids fail.
Smart (worse than stevie?), nash, these guys aren't being a good influence on him.

He's hooked up with John Lucas now, I hope he figures it out. He'll be on another D1 roster next year.
 
I wish he had come to OU. I think our guys on our team could actually help the kid. Also including the coaching staff, but I hate seeing kids fail.
Smart (worse than stevie?), nash, these guys aren't being a good influence on him.

He's hooked up with John Lucas now, I hope he figures it out. He'll be on another D1 roster next year.

Lucas will be a good influence on him.
 
Not shooting the messenger, just responding to the guy's remark.

And he's the one offering the guarantee, not me/us. "Once a thug, always a thug" leaves no room for growth, maturation or redemption.

Ada, I don't know about when you were young (though I think we're close to the same age), but you would not likely be called a thug today, no matter how you behaved. That word is generally reserved for black men. I haven't seen or heard it used to describe a white guy in many years.

That is not true at all. Race has no bearing on whether someone is or is called a thug or not.
 
That is not true at all. Race has no bearing on whether someone is or is called a thug or not.

Not in the dictionary, it isn't -- but in the common parlance of the day (on sports boards, at least), it is.
 
Not in the dictionary, it isn't -- but in the common parlance of the day (on sports boards, at least), it is.



The word is very much racially charged, and again, this is a perfect example of its misuse. A lot of very negative adjectives can be used to describe Stevie's behavior of late, but "thug" is certainly not one of them. It's a pejorative that is overwhelmingly used to describe black men, often when they've done nothing particularly "thuggish".
 
When people call somebody like Stevie a thug, they aren't calling him the thug that you older folks grew up with. It has a different connotation these days.
 
The word is very much racially charged, and again, this is a perfect example of its misuse. A lot of very negative adjectives can be used to describe Stevie's behavior of late, but "thug" is certainly not one of them. It's a pejorative that is overwhelmingly used to describe black men, often when they've done nothing particularly "thuggish".

Exactly.
 
When people call somebody like Stevie a thug, they aren't calling him the thug that you older folks grew up with. It has a different connotation these days.



It's not a different connotation at all. People just don't know what the word means, and tend to use it when describing black men doing anything they don't approve of.
 
PC is going to be the death of us. The absolute death of us.

If a guy who works at OKC Douglass says "once a thug, always a thug" I'm not going to bat an eye. He's probably seen one ridiculous act a week from the Clark brothers for several years now.

Thug isn't the first word that comes to mind when I think of Stevie Clark. In reality, there's only one word to me that applies, and that is dumbass. And if Stevie has a problem with that, he shouldn't be supplying free ammunition to message board losers like me who can sit here and judge his ignorant acts. If he wishes me to not call him a dumbass, then show a little resolve and lay off the marijuana for a change. If he wishes me to not call him a dumbass, then don't take a leak out the window of a moving car.

I was young once, and I never smoked marijuana, nor did I ever take a leak out the window of a moving car. I was also never a division 1 athlete, nor did I ever squander full scholarship at the school 50 miles up the road from home. Only a dumbass could be so stupid.

On the other hand, I did go to the 2004 Sugar Bowl in New Orleans. Those fans, as a whole, are EAT UP with the dumbass, so Stevie should fit in well down there in Red Stick.
 
What's more, the rest of your post supports our point: Dumbassery is exactly what Stevie Clark is guilty of. He's done nothing that remotely qualifies as thug behavior, but he has undeniably behaved like a dumbass.
 
You worry too much about political correctness.
Guilty as charged. Nothing infuriates me more in today's world than PC.

I'm pretty sure the ACLU sends me postage that ticks from time to time.
 
Guilty as charged. Nothing infuriates me more in today's world than PC.

I'm pretty sure the ACLU sends me postage that ticks from time to time.

I'm sure you and I would get along in most ways, but on this one we disagree.

My friend Debra used to go by Debbie. Fifteen or twenty years ago, she decided she preferred Debra. Most folks (me among them) immediately endeavored to use the name she preferred.

Aside from the occasional slip, the transition went smoothly, but she had a few people ***** and moan for months and even years on end that they were now expected to call her Debra, not Debbie, as she had been known for the first 25 years of her life.

To me, that's roughly equivalent to complaints about PC. Much whiny ado about nothing.
 
That is not true at all. Race has no bearing on whether someone is or is called a thug or not.


Unfortunately this is not true at all. The word "thug" became popular in the hip hop culture when rappers like 2 -Pac coined the phrase, and invented an all new culture called thug life. Young black males began to embrace being called a thug, as rap song after rap song was released, which embraced and glorified violence, drug dealing & use of drugs, and total disrespect and disregard for women and society in general.

After a few years, it became pretty common for many people who wanted to describe a black male in a negative light to call them a thug. Ignorant people on sports boards have called Adrian Peterson a thug, Blake Griffin, and other athletes who had no thug traits, other than they have darker skin and may enjoy rap music.

The greatest fault, IMO was the black community embracing the word. It became common for people to use it in the same ways the N-word is often used. There are tons of very well written educational pieces on the internet, and some published work in several credible magazines that describe thug as the new N-word.

It is very common for white people who have never embraced the hip hop culture, to see a young black male who APPEARS to be trouble, and immediately they call him a thug. Most black athletes who run afoul of the law, or show blatant disregard for what is considered appropriate behavior, are called thugs, even when there is no real evidence to support that. Richard Sherman is a good example.

As a black man I don't blame the white race for the popularity of the word. Hip hop made thug life attractive to young black men, and now the word and culture carries a negative connotation, and it is usually used to describe blacks and even hispanics who are considered less than desirable. Because of this, many athletes and young men of color are unfairly called thugs, without any evidence of them being a thug.
 
The modern term of embracing being a thug is just a product of the drug war. In poor and black neighborhoods where a lot of drugs are sold the guys that usually have the most money are those selling drugs which often get caught, go to prison and serve a term and glorify this type of life. That's why we have the thug life attitude often attributed to blacks. But before the modern era it was used to mean assassins for rich people in India to keep the poor class in check. I guess more things change the more they stay the same in many ways.
 
Like I said, "thug" when used in the terms we most often see it on this or any sports message board, has a different meaning. That is why I've seen guys like Eddie Najera called a thug. Or the white kid from Mizzou. Were those race-related? Did that have anything to do with drugs?

I don't know why it's so difficult for some of you to realize that some words have different meanings depending on how they are used, who is using them, and in what context.

I was young once, and I never smoked marijuana, nor did I ever take a leak out the window of a moving car. I was also never a division 1 athlete, nor did I ever squander full scholarship at the school 50 miles up the road from home. Only a dumbass could be so stupid.

Agree with this also. There are a few on this board that think every "kid" has to go through a stretch of doing stupid and illegal things. Not everybody did those things. I've never touched drugs. Also never pissed out of a moving car. And I never had anything "at risk" on nearly the level that a Stevie Clark does. Or any of the other top athletes that insist on pissing away (see what I did there?) chances that a lot of less athletic folks would kill for.
 
I don't know why it's so difficult for some of you to realize that some words have different meanings depending on how they are used, who is using them, and in what context.

It's not difficult to understand, but 99 percent of the time, "thug" is used to describe a black man. I've never seen Eduardo described that way and I don't even know which Missouri player you're talking about, but those are the exceptions that prove the rule.

And very often, as with Stevie Clark, the black men in question have done nothing remotely deserving the term. As I posted above, Clark has undeniably behaved like a dumb ass, and he deserved to get booted from the team. But a thug? Hardly.

I read a political story online the other day, and made the mistake of reading some of the comments that followed (Rule 1 on the internet: Never read the comments), and in dozens of them, President Obama was described as a thug.

Whatever one's policy disagreements might be with the President, it's clear that he was being called a thug because he is African American.

Agree with this also. There are a few on this board that think every "kid" has to go through a stretch of doing stupid and illegal things. Not everybody did those things. I've never touched drugs. Also never pissed out of a moving car. And I never had anything "at risk" on nearly the level that a Stevie Clark does. Or any of the other top athletes that insist on pissing away (see what I did there?) chances that a lot of less athletic folks would kill for.

No one's said any such thing. I never got into any trouble, either (though, in the interest of full disclosure, I'll admit that I did smoke pot once, but I was in my 20s and out of school).

But it's not terribly surprising when someone that age does something boneheaded or foolhardy. That's the only point anyone's made in that regard.
 
Unfortunately this is not true at all. The word "thug" became popular in the hip hop culture when rappers like 2 -Pac coined the phrase, and invented an all new culture called thug life. Young black males began to embrace being called a thug, as rap song after rap song was released, which embraced and glorified violence, drug dealing & use of drugs, and total disrespect and disregard for women and society in general.

Thank you for the education. As an older person, I have not paid close attention to the modern popular culture. It has no appeal to me and I have had no interest in learning anything about it. As we said in the old days ... "it is all Greek to me."

The fact that many words, be it thug or something else, have no common meaning in our society, may or may not be a good thing. I don't know anymore.

The open racism that was much more prevalent in the culture of the 1950s and 1960s was very disturbing. Thankfully, this has improved in recent decades.

Now, the modern American culture that embraces and glorifies violence, drug dealing, drug use, and total disrespect and disregard for women and society is just as scary as racism. It seems to generate reverse racism, as black youths go on "knockout games" that target Jews in NYC or whites in other cities.

In any event, this has turned into an interesting read for me on this Sunday morning. I'm just an old fart that had no idea that the modern American culture promotes and glorifies violence, drug dealing, drug use, and total disrespect and disregard for women and society. In many ways, our society is getting worse, and not better.
 
It's not difficult to understand, but 99 percent of the time, "thug" is used to describe a black man.


This is a blanket statement that is not true in my neighborhood in southeast Oklahoma County. Me and my neighbors talk across the backyard fence about the "thugs" in the crack house around the corner. All those dudes (men and women) are white. We are happy when the authorities arrest those thugs, as they are manufacturing some bad stuff.

Edit: Maybe it was a meth house. I'm not sure.
 
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This is a blanket statement that is not true in my neighborhood in southeast Oklahoma County. Me and my neighbors talk across the backyard fence about the "thugs" in the crack house around the corner. All those dudes (men and women) are white. We are happy when the authorities arrest those thugs, as they are manufacturing some bad stuff.

Interesting to learn that, thanks. I encounter the word primarily online. I don't generally hear it used in "real life."
 
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