Surprised there is no SAE discussion

Their attitudes -- or attitudes like theirs -- killed plenty of people. A misguided sense of superiority and entitlement just like theirs impacted millions of lives and continues to do harm today. These idiots aren't in power today, but they soon will be--some of them, anyway.
I understand that. But these kids are singing this chant to be cool. Reality is they probably all have black friends and have nothing against black people. They just have no character and fall to peer pressure.

A black student at OU today may well have (or have had) grandparents who lived under Jim Crow, who had to use separate bathrooms, separate entrances and seating areas in movie theatres, separate water fountains. Should he laugh it off when a bunch of frat boys are joyfully singing songs about lynching?
I never said laugh it off. But to act like people are directly attacking you and walking out of events is a little too much imo.

A dear friend of my family who grew up in Atlanta remembers very well having to enter Atlanta's Fox theatre, a gorgeous movie palace still in use today, by a long stairwell that took him and his parents to the balcony. They were allowed to sit nowhere else. He remembers whites-only water fountains and restaurants and other degradations his family went through.

His son just finished grad school. His son. So this is not ancient history we're talking about. In some cases, we're talking about one generation, two at the most. My friend doesn't have to play the victim; he was one.

Exactly my point. people are getting upset about something that pales in comparison to the real injustices done 50 years ago. These are black athletes, getting paid to go to school, and have many privileges that majorities don't even have. To act like this is really causing them grieve is a little silly in my mind.

What whatever, I know most won't see it this way. Everywhere you look in society today people are always looking for a reason and excuse to be insulted and a victim
 
This stuff isn't ancient history. The first ever black home-owner in Norman's history was Dr. George Henderson and his wife. That was in 1967.
 
This stuff isn't ancient history. The first ever black home-owner in Norman's history was Dr. George Henderson and his wife. That was in 1967.

I understand that. In in this relatively short period of history, we have went from segragation and black people actually being persecuated to black football players upset and staging protests for a silly song by kids.
 
Personally, I find it encouraging to see young people peacefully protesting for things they believe in or are adamantly opposed to. One reason this country is in a mess is too many good people have been too quiet for too long.
 
I understand that. In in this relatively short period of history, we have went from segragation and black people actually being persecuated to black football players upset and staging protests for a silly song by kids.

SoonerBounce13- Are you serious a silly song about lynching niggas something that is still fresh in the minds of many African Americans who are still living who have heard the stories from there grandparents. You a truly insensitive person to the plight of those that have suffered and their ancestors you should be ashamed of yourself.
 
I understand that. In in this relatively short period of history, we have went from segragation and black people actually being persecuated to black football players upset and staging protests for a silly song by kids.

SoonerBounce13- Are you serious a silly song about lynching niggas something that is still fresh in the minds of many African Americans who are still living who have heard the stories from there grandparents. You a truly insensitive person to the plight of those that have suffered and their ancestors you should be ashamed of yourself.

ok man. yes it is a silly song sung by insecure kids that won't stand up for something write. rather than be ridiculed for speaking out against a tradition, they chose to follow suite. If you really think there is any threat that these kids will go and lynch anybody, I don't know what to tell you.

I could totally understand if blacks were banned from attending events or banned from organizations but that isn't the case. They literally have every freedom that whites do but they are acting like they are stuck in the 60s and it is insulting to those of us whom are not racists and have worked to get rid of racism. The nation has made a huge stride, in particular oklahoma, and then to blow this into a national story is ridiculous.

Everybody wants to be a victim. I can't really blame them though when we have politicians crying racism at every oppurtunity.

It's terrible. they should be expelled. But let's not overreact and act like black kids were supressed or beaten. Lets take it for what it is and learn from it instead of drawing all of this attention to the state and making the state look racist when really it was a bunch of idiot kids.
 
Personally, I find it encouraging to see young people peacefully protesting for things they believe in or are adamantly opposed to. One reason this country is in a mess is too many good people have been too quiet for too long.

the deal though is that 99% of the population, especially the college students, are not racist. We are having protests where the "minorities" protesting make up 99% against the 1%. Everybody knows racism is terrible. There isn't a need for protesting. Maybe it is the engineer in me but it seems very pointless and simply is playing the vicitm card
 
Your mentality that it was harmless fun about lynching is quite disconcerting the word nigga to me is played out as it is use in some many contexts that it has been watered down from what it really meant 50 years ago but to say lynching someone for their skin color and to repeat such nonsense in this day as if to believe your skin color entitles you to be better than someone else show a high level of ignorance and intolerance maybe that sits well with your engineer brain, but to my sensible mind it doesn't.

No victim here, there need to be more debates about this nationally to foster unity among the only race the human race not the construct of few that divides the many.
 
Your mentality that it was harmless fun about lynching is quite disconcerting the word nigga to me is played out as it is use in some many contexts that it has been watered down from what it really meant 50 years ago but to say lynching someone for their skin color and to repeat such nonsense in this day as if to believe your skin color entitles you to be better than someone else show a high level of ignorance and intolerance maybe that sits well with your engineer brain, but to my sensible mind it doesn't.

No victim here, there need to be more debates about this nationally to foster unity among the only race the human race not the construct of few that divides the many.

I'm guessing the only reason they said "lynching" is b/c it was a part of the original song. Stupid? Yes. The kind of racism that needs the level of attention that gets a story written within 24 hours in a newspaper in England? Absolutely not.
 
I'm guessing the only reason they said "lynching" is b/c it was a part of the original song. Stupid? Yes. The kind of racism that needs the level of attention that gets a story written within 24 hours in a newspaper in England? Absolutely not.

This is the age of technology we live in and idiotic stuff like this is being exposed and I am sure if there was no recording it would have been a he said she said then and blown over. While the animosity would linger over the student body, destroying the school spirit and scaring off recruits. OU's president made a strong decisive move to put zero tolerance on this matter.
 
I understand that. In in this relatively short period of history, we have went from segragation and black people actually being persecuated to black football players upset and staging protests for a silly song by kids.

SoonerBounce13- Are you serious a silly song about lynching niggas something that is still fresh in the minds of many African Americans who are still living who have heard the stories from there grandparents. You a truly insensitive person to the plight of those that have suffered and their ancestors you should be ashamed of yourself.

Let me ask you this papaP, are you saying that people who've been wronged by an individual of another race (or are related to someone who was) should harbor ill feelings towards and hold that entire race responsible for that individuals actions? For instance, my dad is murdered by a Hispanic guy, it's OK in your mind to hold Hispanics accountable for his actions for an eternity? I truly don't know where you draw the line and I can't tell an African American how to feel, but at some point we HAVE to start at square one and that takes everyone involved to achieve that.
 
Section 31- By no means should the actions of some be a reason to hate and entire group of people but isn't that what racial profiling is all about seeing a black guy in a nice car he is pulled over had to be stolen right. Just using that example but as I said that the president did a good job of shutting it down showing to the outside world the OU doesn't in anyway condone such actions, and also students white, black, Hispanic and others came together to show solidarity.
 
Section 31- By no means should the actions of some be a reason to hate and entire group of people but isn't that what racial profiling is all about seeing a black guy in a nice car he is pulled over had to be stolen right. Just using that example but as I said that the president did a good job of shutting it down showing to the outside world the OU doesn't in anyway condone such actions, and also students white, black, Hispanic and others came together to show solidarity.

I'm with you. I'm equally disturbed by the event, but I'm equally appalled at the numerous suggestions in the media, on message boards, etc that "white people" are only to blame. Ironically, people don't see that as profiling as well.
 
I'm white. When I was at OU, I never had an African-American in a single class. I don't even remember seeing one on campus, although it was just after Gautt had graduated. But, isn't it remarkable that I never had one African-American in a class?

In graduate school at OU a few years later, we did have an African-American on a field trip in SE Oklahoma. There were about seven of us. We stopped for lunch at a restaurant in a small town near McAlester. They wouldn't serve our table. They served everyone else, but not our table. We left and bought some groceries.

When I was about eleven and living in Nashville, I went into a small grocery store, the type that would now be a convenience store. There were several African-Americans standing in line. The store owner made them wait while he served me, an eleven-year old white kid. I took precedence over seventy-year-old African-Americans. Every gas station that served African-Americans at all had separate restrooms and drinking fountains, "colored only."

When we went into Nashville, we went to the dime stores that later that year would have the sitins at the lunch counters. At the time, dime stores like Kresgees and Woodworth had long lunch counters that served some of the worst crap that you would ever want. You had to be starving to eat a ham sandwich, and the bread was stale. African-Americans would not be seated at the lunch counters. They could go to the stores, but they were always at the back of the line.

I didn't know it was racism at the time. It was just the way things were. African-Americans were deferential. If they weren't, they were taught to be. I can understand why they might have hated me. I didn't know any of them, and I hadn't done anything to any of them. But, I was treated unfairly superior. They had to defer to an eleven-year-old.

But, that was sixty years ago. I expect it to be better. I don't expect people to be stupid enough to accept that way of life any more, and I will support the African-American who has had to spend his life at the back of society. I cannot accept that these kids did this on their own. They had to be taught by someone that this was acceptable. Did they hear it from their parents? Who taught them the song, and who rehearsed it with them so that they could sing it in unison? Did nobody see that this was bigoted?

There is no discussion. This was unacceptable. Boren has taken the rights first step. The next step is to expel any and all concerned. I want to know where they learned that song, and who thought is was acceptable.
 
the deal though is that 99% of the population, especially the college students, are not racist. We are having protests where the "minorities" protesting make up 99% against the 1%. Everybody knows racism is terrible. There isn't a need for protesting. Maybe it is the engineer in me but it seems very pointless and simply is playing the vicitm card

Perhaps demonstration is a better word. The word protest has sounds like you are just against something. Demonstrating to show that you support equality for all races, religions and genders is not playing the victim card.
 
I'm white. When I was at OU, I never had an African-American in a single class. I don't even remember seeing one on campus, although it was just after Gautt had graduated. But, isn't it remarkable that I never had one African-American in a class?

In graduate school at OU a few years later, we did have an African-American on a field trip in SE Oklahoma. There were about seven of us. We stopped for lunch at a restaurant in a small town near McAlester. They wouldn't serve our table. They served everyone else, but not our table. We left and bought some groceries.

When I was about eleven and living in Nashville, I went into a small grocery store, the type that would now be a convenience store. There were several African-Americans standing in line. The store owner made them wait while he served me, an eleven-year old white kid. I took precedence over seventy-year-old African-Americans. Every gas station that served African-Americans at all had separate restrooms and drinking fountains, "colored only."

When we went into Nashville, we went to the dime stores that later that year would have the sitins at the lunch counters. At the time, dime stores like Kresgees and Woodworth had long lunch counters that served some of the worst crap that you would ever want. You had to be starving to eat a ham sandwich, and the bread was stale. African-Americans would not be seated at the lunch counters. They could go to the stores, but they were always at the back of the line.

I didn't know it was racism at the time. It was just the way things were. African-Americans were deferential. If they weren't, they were taught to be. I can understand why they might have hated me. I didn't know any of them, and I hadn't done anything to any of them. But, I was treated unfairly superior. They had to defer to an eleven-year-old.

But, that was sixty years ago. I expect it to be better. I don't expect people to be stupid enough to accept that way of life any more, and I will support the African-American who has had to spend his life at the back of society. I cannot accept that these kids did this on their own. They had to be taught by someone that this was acceptable. Did they hear it from their parents? Who taught them the song, and who rehearsed it with them so that they could sing it in unison? Did nobody see that this was bigoted?

There is no discussion. This was unacceptable. Boren has taken the rights first step. The next step is to expel any and all concerned. I want to know where they learned that song, and who thought is was acceptable.

I was a few years after you. I was a freshman at OU in 1964. In 1968, I took a debate class. The best debate partner I had was a black student from Lawton. He was an awesome speaker and meticulous in organizing his notes. We waxed the competition every single time. I went to Girls' State in 1963 and one of the girls in my city was a black girl from OKC. We all gravitated to her room in the little free time we had. We were all fascinated to share notes and compare small town Oklahoma to 'big city OKC' My freshman dorm, while mostly white, also had 4 black girls and 4 Jewish girls, 2 from Chicago and 2 from Dallas. Once again, it was interesting to find out what life was like from people who grew up in different places than we had. The 2 pairs of Jewish girls were fascinated about the differences between Chicago and Dallas. And they were all 4 amazed that the mayor of my home town for many years was also the only Jewish man in town!

One of the men who was killed in the Murrah Building was a black gentlman my ex had gone to pharmacy school with. After he got his degree and passed his boards in 1968, no one would hire him because they didn't want a black man filling their prescriptions. He went back to school and became a lawyer, which is why he was in the Murrah Building that day. So yes, in some ways we have come a long way, but it others we haven't come nearly far enough.

I heard songs similar to that from fraternity guys when I was at OU. People would say, "That's awful! You shouldn't say that kind of thing!" but without the opportunity to publicize the stupidity that you have with the internet, nothing much was ever done about it.
 
I'm guessing the only reason they said "lynching" is b/c it was a part of the original song. Stupid? Yes. The kind of racism that needs the level of attention that gets a story written within 24 hours in a newspaper in England? Absolutely not.

This is the age of technology we live in and idiotic stuff like this is being exposed and I am sure if there was no recording it would have been a he said she said then and blown over. While the animosity would linger over the student body, destroying the school spirit and scaring off recruits. OU's president made a strong decisive move to put zero tolerance on this matter.

I don't really agree with boren punishing all of SAE for the acts of a group of freshman that supposedly don't even live int he house. ATleast not without more investigation into how deep this chant goes
 
Section 31- By no means should the actions of some be a reason to hate and entire group of people but isn't that what racial profiling is all about seeing a black guy in a nice car he is pulled over had to be stolen right. Just using that example but as I said that the president did a good job of shutting it down showing to the outside world the OU doesn't in anyway condone such actions, and also students white, black, Hispanic and others came together to show solidarity.

Boren is doing the same thing that you just said shouldn't be done.
 
Perhaps demonstration is a better word. The word protest has sounds like you are just against something. Demonstrating to show that you support equality for all races, religions and genders is not playing the victim card.

There were countless interviews on the news last night of black students saying they are now fearful of walking down the south oval.

REally? c'mon
 
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