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Pandering hey SoonerBounce 13.. are you a member of SAE....more videos are coming out sounds like its the culture there Boren is ridding the university of this toxic group
 
papaP said:
Pandering hey SoonerBounce 13.. are you a member of SAE....more videos are coming out sounds like its the culture there Boren is ridding the university of this toxic group
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A culture of running their mouths and saying stupid, stupid stuff? Maybe. But it certainly hasn't been proven that they treat black people "poorly", other than they probably have been not letting them (black people) into their fraternity. It needed to be squashed, and it now has been. I really don't think their actions require much more than that from Boren or OU. UNLESS there is more to it. But I'm basing my opinion on a couple of videos.

I'm not a fan of worrying what stupid kids say, if their actions are relatively harmless. Too many folks that have harmful actions that get ignored, than something like this blows up. That is what I think is stupid.
 
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A culture of running their mouths and saying stupid, stupid stuff? Maybe. But it certainly hasn't been proven that they treat black people "poorly", other than they probably have been not letting them (black people) into their fraternity. It needed to be squashed, and it now has been. I really don't think their actions require much more than that from Boren or OU. UNLESS there is more to it. But I'm basing my opinion on a couple of videos.

I'm not a fan of worrying what stupid kids say, if their actions are relatively harmless. Too many folks that have harmful actions that get ignored, than something like this blows up. That is what I think is stupid.

Stupid stuff kids say learnt from stupid adults who have perpetuated this nonsense. Kids that become adults with built in stereotypes of other cultures and you wonder why race relations in this country is the way it is.

To you this is just harmless words give be a break! Lynching is harmless to you are you serious!
 
*me a break.

The distrust that will linger at OU will take years to go away after this incident Boren did his best to deal with it.
 
papaP said:
*me a break.

The distrust that will linger at OU will take years to go away after this incident Boren did his best to deal with it.
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BS.

This will be forgotten about by the end of the semester. Anybody "distrusting" or "scared" because of this, felt the same way BEFORE this.

There is nobody seriously worried about getting lynched on OU's campus. Seriously? I think I remember one news story of that happening in the US here in the last 5-10 years. And that was backwoods Bama (or Texas, I forget). It certainly isn't going to happen on a college campus like OU.

Are you scared to drive every day b/c you read about a car accident the night before? Are you scared to walk down the street, b/c guess what, every day somebody walks down the street in this country and ends up dead. But worried about being lynched? Come on.
 
papaP said:
A culture of running their mouths and saying stupid, stupid stuff? Maybe. But it certainly hasn't been proven that they treat black people "poorly", other than they probably have been not letting them (black people) into their fraternity. It needed to be squashed, and it now has been. I really don't think their actions require much more than that from Boren or OU. UNLESS there is more to it. But I'm basing my opinion on a couple of videos.

I'm not a fan of worrying what stupid kids say, if their actions are relatively harmless. Too many folks that have harmful actions that get ignored, than something like this blows up. That is what I think is stupid.

Stupid stuff kids say learnt from stupid adults who have perpetuated this nonsense. Kids that become adults with built in stereotypes of other cultures and you wonder why race relations in this country is the way it is.

To you this is just harmless words give be a break! Lynching is harmless to you are you serious!
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Nah. There's no lynchings going on in this country and hasn't for MANY years. Is there one here and there? Sure, but those aren't anything other than racial violence that exists on both sides.

Kids MAY learn that from adults, or they learned it in this frat. No way to know. My kids do dumb things that my wife and I never taught them and discouraged them from doing.

That frat was rightfully closed and some of them POSSIBLY need to be expelled or disciplined, but you REALLY think they are going to lynch someone? Really? I'd venture to guess a good number of them didn't even know what that means.
 
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papaP said:
*me a break.

The distrust that will linger at OU will take years to go away after this incident Boren did his best to deal with it.
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That says more about people who are distrusting than the school IMO.
 
That frat was rightfully closed and some of them POSSIBLY need to be expelled or disciplined, but you REALLY think they are going to lynch someone? Really? I'd venture to guess a good number of them didn't even know what that means.

If they don't know what lynching means then they should have never been in college that was crucial part of American history that damaged the lives of many people and should have been taught from high school.

Thinking that racism was less than it is now is ignorance. Its only because of new media that it is being brought to the foreground and is showing how america has and is when it comes to racism. Its only 50 years ago that blacks were finally allowed to vote.
There is a generational memory here; Grandfathers and grandmothers telling children of the times they were beaten, raped, had brothers/sisters lynched, not allowed to vote, all due to the color of their skin. These memories do not disappear so easily, as the prejudice that inflicted them with it. To say its worse now is ignorance, embrace it for what it is racism, and do something about it!

Got that from another site but it contextualize how I feel about the situation
 
papaP said:
That frat was rightfully closed and some of them POSSIBLY need to be expelled or disciplined, but you REALLY think they are going to lynch someone? Really? I'd venture to guess a good number of them didn't even know what that means.

If they don't know what lynching means then they should have never been in college that was crucial part of American history that damaged the lives of many people and should have been taught from high school.

Thinking that racism was less than it is now is ignorance. Its only because of new media that it is being brought to the foreground and is showing how america has and is when it comes to racism. Its only 50 years ago that blacks were finally allowed to vote.
There is a generational memory here; Grandfathers and grandmothers telling children of the times they were beaten, raped, had brothers/sisters lynched, not allowed to vote, all due to the color of their skin. These memories do not disappear so easily, as the prejudice that inflicted them with it. To say its worse now is ignorance, embrace it for what it is racism, and do something about it!

Got that from another site but it contextualize how I feel about the situation
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Start a discussion about our poor educational system then. I know kids in college that don't know how many inches are in a foot.

I will say there's a fine line between educating our youth about the past and affecting their view on the current state of our country. Point is, how many black youths would see their situation differently if they DIDN'T know about those dark days in our history? For instance, I'm not sure there'd have been much outrage over Michael Brown if not for the preconceived notions that the cops just hate black people.
 
WTSooner said:
And I posted on another site yesterday, after he "confirmation", along with a bunch of other Sooner fans, that he was still likely gone. That confirmation was just telling OU people what they wanted to hear. This guy has had one foot out the door for weeks or a month now. Maybe even a bit longer. I'm not sure if the timing was a complete coincidence, or if the kid decided to use it as kind of a behind the scenes reason, but I can promise it wasn't the real reason. The real reason was the offer from LSU, and a couple other offers that came after OU's.
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We are 1 month into this years recruiting, until they create an early signing period, and let the early loyal future students sign early, I never will have much faith in the kids that commit way too early.
 
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papaP said:
Pandering hey SoonerBounce 13.. are you a member of SAE....more videos are coming out sounds like its the culture there Boren is ridding the university of this toxic group
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I can't stand frat culture. But I think this is way overblown and sensationized.

Which isn't saying much considering last week the flavor of the week was a blue and black dress


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papaP said:
A culture of running their mouths and saying stupid, stupid stuff? Maybe. But it certainly hasn't been proven that they treat black people "poorly", other than they probably have been not letting them (black people) into their fraternity. It needed to be squashed, and it now has been. I really don't think their actions require much more than that from Boren or OU. UNLESS there is more to it. But I'm basing my opinion on a couple of videos.



I'm not a fan of worrying what stupid kids say, if their actions are relatively harmless. Too many folks that have harmful actions that get ignored, than something like this blows up. That is what I think is stupid.



Stupid stuff kids say learnt from stupid adults who have perpetuated this nonsense. Kids that become adults with built in stereotypes of other cultures and you wonder why race relations in this country is the way it is.



To you this is just harmless words give be a break! Lynching is harmless to you are you serious!
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Learn to use the quote function

And nobody got lunched and I would guarantee these idiot kids would never actually lynch anyone


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papaP said:
That frat was rightfully closed and some of them POSSIBLY need to be expelled or disciplined, but you REALLY think they are going to lynch someone? Really? I'd venture to guess a good number of them didn't even know what that means.



If they don't know what lynching means then they should have never been in college that was crucial part of American history that damaged the lives of many people and should have been taught from high school.



Thinking that racism was less than it is now is ignorance. Its only because of new media that it is being brought to the foreground and is showing how america has and is when it comes to racism. Its only 50 years ago that blacks were finally allowed to vote.

There is a generational memory here; Grandfathers and grandmothers telling children of the times they were beaten, raped, had brothers/sisters lynched, not allowed to vote, all due to the color of their skin. These memories do not disappear so easily, as the prejudice that inflicted them with it. To say its worse now is ignorance, embrace it for what it is racism, and do something about it!



Got that from another site but it contextualize how I feel about the situation
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So racism hasn't progressed in 50 years? Lol


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skyvue said:
You're right about Delance, but wrong about the rest.

Not at all races sing about lynching other races. They simply don't. And if they did, it would have less resonance because their grandparents (figuratively, if not literally, speaking) didn't actually lynch (figuratively, if not literally speaking) our grandparents (I don't know your racial heritage, WT; the above presumes that, like me, you are primarily Caucasian).

What's wrong with America these days is not overreaction to racism, but that racism is still as pervasive as it is. Great progress has been made, and thank God for that, but many want to pretend that we're basically at square one now, that racism is now a thing of the past except for a few bad apples.

I wish it were so, but it's not. Not by a long shot. Pretending that everything is ok now, that recent (and not-so-recent) history doesn't matter any more, accomplishes nothing.

I'm very proud of President Boren for his swift and righteously angry response, and of OU students and faculty of every race and color who have spoken out with passion against these bigots.
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:woot:woot:woot
 
sybarite said:
I'm white. When I was at OU, I never had an African-American in a single class. I don't even remember seeing one on campus, although it was just after Gautt had graduated. But, isn't it remarkable that I never had one African-American in a class?

In graduate school at OU a few years later, we did have an African-American on a field trip in SE Oklahoma. There were about seven of us. We stopped for lunch at a restaurant in a small town near McAlester. They wouldn't serve our table. They served everyone else, but not our table. We left and bought some groceries.

When I was about eleven and living in Nashville, I went into a small grocery store, the type that would now be a convenience store. There were several African-Americans standing in line. The store owner made them wait while he served me, an eleven-year old white kid. I took precedence over seventy-year-old African-Americans. Every gas station that served African-Americans at all had separate restrooms and drinking fountains, "colored only."

When we went into Nashville, we went to the dime stores that later that year would have the sitins at the lunch counters. At the time, dime stores like Kresgees and Woodworth had long lunch counters that served some of the worst crap that you would ever want. You had to be starving to eat a ham sandwich, and the bread was stale. African-Americans would not be seated at the lunch counters. They could go to the stores, but they were always at the back of the line.

I didn't know it was racism at the time. It was just the way things were. African-Americans were deferential. If they weren't, they were taught to be. I can understand why they might have hated me. I didn't know any of them, and I hadn't done anything to any of them. But, I was treated unfairly superior. They had to defer to an eleven-year-old.

But, that was sixty years ago. I expect it to be better. I don't expect people to be stupid enough to accept that way of life any more, and I will support the African-American who has had to spend his life at the back of society. I cannot accept that these kids did this on their own. They had to be taught by someone that this was acceptable. Did they hear it from their parents? Who taught them the song, and who rehearsed it with them so that they could sing it in unison? Did nobody see that this was bigoted?

There is no discussion. This was unacceptable. Boren has taken the rights first step. The next step is to expel any and all concerned. I want to know where they learned that song, and who thought is was acceptable.
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:woot:woot:woot
 
Yes, this incident is going to hurt OU SO badly, and affect recruiting SO much, that we just landed a verbal from a kid that was on campus when all this crazy sh*t was going down. lol

Like I said, any normal person would know this isn't a big deal, and it will blow over and be completely forgotten about in a couple of months.

P.S. - The kid that committed is black.
 
So racism hasn't progressed in 50 years? Lol

Clearly you didn't read the article...pity


Learn to use the quote function

Really that's makes you feel so much better right....SoonerBounce13 typical straw man tactic start attacking the person instead of sticking to the debate
 
papaP said:
So racism hasn't progressed in 50 years? Lol



Clearly you didn't read the article...pity





Learn to use the quote function



Really that's makes you feel so much better right....SoonerBounce13 typical straw man tactic start attacking the person instead of sticking to the debate
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Not attacking you at all. It takes more time to bold the font than reply with a quote and it is easier to read


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