SVP Calling Out Snowflakes

[Eielson]

I love it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alNR70ep7sE

 

[sheepdogs1]

Refreshing to hear someone bring this to the public's attention.

 

[BoulderSooner]

so so good ...

 

[Hollisp]

Eh. Non story IMO that SVP kept alive. So actually kinda lame by him and I love the dude.

Sidenote: lots of ways to motivate kids. Some feed off getting challenged like Izzo did. Some cower to that. Gotta know your kids and I think Izzo knows which buttons to push on certain kids.

I will say we have the exact opposite coach on our sideline. Just food for thought.

 

[Eielson]

Eh. Non story IMO that SVP kept alive. So actually kinda lame by him

This was uploaded Sunday. I just didn't post it here until yesterday.

 

[Hollisp]

This was uploaded Sunday. I just didn't post it here until yesterday.

What’s your point? Not calling u out at all. Just saying SVPs commentary actually makes the story go longer than it should and it’s a non story IMO.

 

[Eielson]

What’s your point? Not calling u out at all. Just saying SVPs commentary actually makes the story go longer than it should and it’s a non story IMO.

I thought you were saying there was no point bringing it up this long after the fact. I didn't realize you were saying it shouldn't have ever been mentioned. Tons of people gave their opinions on this, so it's a story regardless of whether or not SVP brings it up. There's a whole lot of garbage on sports talk shows that I find less meaningful than this.

 

[Hollisp]

I thought you were saying there was no point bringing it up this long after the fact. I didn't realize you were saying it shouldn't have ever been mentioned. Tons of people gave their opinions on this, so it's a story regardless of whether or not SVP brings it up. There's a whole lot of garbage on sports talk shows that I find less meaningful than this.

Okie dokie

 

[sheepdogs1]

Eh. Non story IMO that SVP kept alive. So actually kinda lame by him and I love the dude.

Sidenote: lots of ways to motivate kids. Some feed off getting challenged like Izzo did. Some cower to that. Gotta know your kids and I think Izzo knows which buttons to push on certain kids.

I will say we have the exact opposite coach on our sideline. Just food for thought.

He likely recruits players who are hard nosed to begin with for it's always been the MSU mantra since he's been their coach thus it's not likely a guessing game of who could handle it or not emotionally.

 

[Hollisp]

He likely recruits players who are hard nosed to begin with for it's always been the MSU mantra since he's been their coach thus it's not likely a guessing game of who could handle it or not emotionally.

Probably right but life isn’t in absolutes. All great coaches adapt and he’s one of em.

 

[CMSOONER]

SVP is 100% right. I love that he put it out there on National TV.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Probably right but life isn’t in absolutes. All great coaches adapt and he’s one of em.

It is in some people to behave like the drill sergeant while it's not in the character of others such as Long Kruger. Izzo is more old school like Bobby Knight, Tubby Smith, Bill Belichick etc, as they only have one gear and it's full on. Izzo will not cowtown to any of his players and they know it. It would set a poor example to blow his stack with some players while coddling others.

 

[Hollisp]

It is in some people to behave like the drill sergeant while it's not in the character of others such as Long Kruger. Izzo is more old school like Bobby Knight, Tubby Smith, Bill Belichick etc, as they only have one gear and it's full on. Izzo will not cowtown to any of his players and they know it. It would set a poor example to blow his stack with some players while coddling others.

Man. Ok. Whatever. Feel like u want a MB fight for some reason. I honestly feel like we are agreeing.

I’d love to have him at OU. Can we agree there?

 

[thewez]

Not trying to start a huge argument, but I've seen some others, including ESPN talent push back on SVP.

Some point out the balance of Izzo making 6+ million dollars, while the unpaid athlete is taking it. I think that's a fair point, but I know it's the nature of the sport.

Bomani Jones also discussed how no one else has a job where their boss would come up and do this to them, stick a finger in their face yelling and get praised for it.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Not trying to start a huge argument, but I've seen some others, including ESPN talent push back on SVP.

Some point out the balance of Izzo making 6+ million dollars, while the unpaid athlete is taking it. I think that's a fair point, but I know it's the nature of the sport.

Bomani Jones also discussed how no one else has a job where their boss would come up and do this to them, stick a finger in their face yelling and get praised for it.

Steve Jobs of Apple fame behaved in the same manner. He is idolized.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Man. Ok. Whatever. Feel like u want a MB fight for some reason. I honestly feel like we are agreeing.

I’d love to have him at OU. Can we agree there?

I just don't witness Izzo adapting. He'd retire before that were to occur.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

I also really enjoyed the SVP video. Thanks for posting!

The "Tough-Guy Program" at Michigan State did not begin with Tom Izzo. Jud Heathcote coached at MSU from 1976-1995, winning multiple Big-10 championships and also the national championship in 1979 (with Magic Johnson).

Jud Heathcote was also a very successful in-your-face task master, or an "old-school" coach.

By the way, Kelvin Sampson earned his master's degree in coaching and administration at Michigan State in 1980 after serving during the 1979-80 season as a graduate assistant under Jud Heathcoate. Tom Izzo was an assistant coach there at the time, as Izzo was a longtime assistant (1983-95) under Jud Heathcoat.

 

[skyvue]

There's also this question (to which I don't pretend to have an answer): If he acts like this with his players in the spotlight of March Madness, how rough is he on them in private?

Bobby Knight had lots of defenders too, including on this board, and sorry, he crossed the line many times, pure and simple.

It's also ironic how viewpoints can change. When many fans were calling for Mike Stoops' return to OU, his passion and fire and willingness to chew players out was cited as something we needed.

But then, once it was clear he was not a quick fix and our defense was struggling, he was suddenly painted by many of those same fans as a nutjob whose antics with players were indefensible. I suspect that if the results on the field had been better, no one would have had a problem with his interactions with players.

SVP actually goes so far as to state that the player being yelled had no problem with his treatment -- the same defense was frequently made of Knight -- but honestly, what freshman is going to come out and say, especially during the NCAA tourney, that he has a problem with the way his coach is treating him?

Abused wives often appear devoted to their husbands, too, in public, and they certainly don't speak out against them--until the day comes when they finally get the courage and strength to break away from their abuser.

Please note: I'm not comparing Izzo to an abusive husband. But "Hey, the kid had no problem with it" doesn't fly. Maybe the kid didn't have a problem with it; that's entirely possible. But it's also possible he did but felt he'd be putting his own and his team's prospects at risk if he said anything.

Also, one can think Izzo (or any coach) crosses the line at times, and still not be at the other extreme -- that everything should be made easy for everyone all the time. There's a huge area in between. That's the biggest fallacy in SVP's remarks, in my opinion.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

I just don't witness Izzo adapting. He'd retire before that were to occur.

Agree. I don't know why he would even consider changing his coaching approach. It works for him and his players. If anything, his players have to adapt to Tom Izzo.

 

[Hollisp]

I just don't witness Izzo adapting. He'd retire before that were to occur.

I guarantee you Izzo coaches with empathy. Can’t “be tough” 24/7/365.

You can be tough and successful if you show true empathy.

I maybe think thats where we are disagreeing.