SVP Calling Out Snowflakes

[Eielson]

The irony is that they later criticized him roundly for his interactions with Sooner athletes, the same behavior that they had previously cited as the very reason he should be brought back--actions with which they would have had no problem if the results had been better.

Stoops wasn't fired for yelling and screaming too much. He was fired for having a bad defense. No irony.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Stoops wasn't fired for yelling and screaming too much. He was fired for having a bad defense. No irony.

"Bad defense." You are being oh so kind.

 

[skyvue]

Stoops wasn't fired for yelling and screaming too much. He was fired for having a bad defense. No irony.

I didn't say he was fired for that or anything close to it. I said that it's ironic that the selfsame trait many fans cited as a positive one in calling for his return was held against him when he failed to deliver a sold defensive unit. Of course his defenses' poor performances were the primary cause of his dismissal, but that's not all the fans complained about leading up to his firing -- many of them were ragging on him for his behavior and treatment of players, too. And that was ironic.

If that's not clear enough for you, I give up. Three strikes and I'm out.

 

[SoonerinNC]

I generally think the youth of today are pretty soft. Then I read "13 days at Benghazi" and marvel how a small number of tough dedicated young men saved scores of American lives against incredible odds, with two of them losing their life.

As a young coach I was apalled by what I called the Vince Lombardi syndrome. Too many coaches thought Lombardi's gruff, somtimes harsh manner was the way to success. If you read Jerry Kramer's book "Instant Replay" you would learn that Lombardi's success was not due to his hard manner but due to him being probably one of the best psychologists who ever coached. Early in a week of preparation he would pick at everything, hard to satisfy. Then toward the end of the week he began building them up with a lot of positive reinforcement and by Sunday game time they believed they were the best team ever to play. And I don't think any of them had a clue what he was doing.

Geno is tough and a picky coach. But he puts the onus on the players to remove the barriers to becoming a better player that they are placing on themselves. He seems to be a genius in getting them to motivate themselves. Some handle that well others don't. He has a fair number of transfers out but I can only think of one that was really UConn quality.

We may be suprised how harsh many coaches are in private.

From the OU practices from Kruger's early years at OU it was clear that he was strong on positive reinforcement. And I never saw him demean a player in public. Have no clue what he does behind closed doors.

It is probably more a function of leadership rather than style. There some coaches whose players are so eager to please that they will not be offended by a little tough love. The less successful ones probably have few of those skills and players do not respond well. When I was at OU they hired a guy named Doyle Parrack who led Oklahoma City U to high national rankings in Division I. He was a hard guy and OU players did not react well. Finally so many players just quit and he had to suit up the team manager to have enough players to play.

 

[Eielson]

I didn't say he was fired for that or anything close to it. I said that it's ironic that the selfsame trait many fans cited as a positive one in calling for his return was held against him when he failed to deliver a sold defensive unit. Of course his defenses' poor performances were the primary cause of his dismissal, but that's not all the fans complained about leading up to his firing -- many of them were ragging on him for his behavior and treatment of players, too. And that was ironic.

If that's not clear enough for you, I give up. Three strikes and I'm out.

Again, nobody turned on Mike because of his style. It wasn't about the fact that he was yelling; it was the results of his yelling. I've heard hundreds, if not thousands, of complaints about MS. I repeatedly heard that we needed to stop using a 3-4, that CBs shouldn't be 10 yards off the ball, that he needed to fire his buddy Kish, and that he needed to be more aggressive rushing the passer. I never once heard somebody say that the issue was that MS was yelling too much, and that our defense was struggling because he was hurting everybody's feelings. Nobody woud have cared if, like Izzo, he was yelling the right things for players to succeed.

But yes, we should move on. The fact that MS sucked, Bob Knight throws chairs and physically abuses players, and that abused wives act in a certain way are all absolutely irrelevant to the discussion about Izzo at hand.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

But yes, we should move on. The fact that MS sucked, Bob Knight throws chairs and physically abuses players, and that abused wives act in a certain way are all absolutely irrelevant to the discussion about Izzo at hand.

So true.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Towards the end of the MSU-Duke game, Ieading into a timeout, Izzo gave the death stare to one of his taller players.

 

[Eielson]

Towards the end of the MSU-Duke game Ieading into a timeout Izzo gave the death stare to one of his taller players.

He'll probably get a transfer waiver for the NCAA.