TCU moves to 10-0. Best start in school history.

[Stikboy]

OU is better "on paper" than Baylor as Baylor has not ever had a recruiting class rated higher than OU in any year. And we see where that has gotten us recently..

 

[coolm]

Matt Price (the middle brother) was taller than both Mark and Brent. I think he was 6'4 or 6'5.

Remember when what's his face took over at ATM and played that horridly weak schedule? Heck, he played Hillsdale Freewill Baptist College (yes THAT school on the side of I-35 in South Moore). There can be a method to the madness.

 

[Max Power]

OU is better "on paper" than Baylor as Baylor has not ever had a recruiting class rated higher than OU in any year. And we see where that has gotten us recently..

Huh? Baylor has had better class than us in 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013 according to ESPN.

 

[usedtobe1]

Matt Price (the middle brother) was taller than both Mark and Brent. I think he was 6'4 or 6'5.

I forgot about Matt.

"The recruiters who missed Mark Price came to see Brent Price, the third Price to go through Enid High. Matt, the middle brother, was a 6-3 defensive specialist, completely unlike Mark. Matt signed with Appalachian State, and after a year transferred to Phillips. He played three seasons there, two for his father."

 

[skyvue]

Huh? Baylor has had better class than us in 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013 according to ESPN.

I think Stikboy was talking football, and you may be talking hoops.

 

[JBaker]

Many OU fans have a "blue-blood" type of mentality... the thought of TCU putting more talent or a better team on the hardwood is as foreign to some as TCU and Baylor passing OU on the football field.

:facepalm
TCU doesn't have more talent than OU.
We wouldn't have beaten them on their home court by 30 last season with almost all of the same players if they did.

 

[scrybe]

Just to set the record straight:

In bigabd's original post, he made no contention that TCU was "better" than OU, either on paper or on the actual court. What he did say was that the Frogs were undefeated, might start conference play with a 13-0 record, and could possibly be a factor in the Big 12 this season.

Those were the comments that I agreed with. I did not then, nor do I now believe TCU is better than OU or will somehow surpass my Sooners in the Big 12 pecking order.

There. I just needed to get that off my chest. :ez-laugh:

 

[thebigabd]

:facepalm
TCU doesn't have more talent than OU.
We wouldn't have beaten them on their home court by 30 last season with almost all of the same players if they did.

They did not have the following players last year:

Chris Washburn: Averaging 8.1 points and 5.7 rebounds per game
Trey Zeigler: Averaging 7.1 points and 4.7 rebounds per game
Kenrich Williams: Averaging 9.3 points and 6.1 rebounds per game
Amric Fields: Averaging 9.2 points and 2.3 rebounds, missed half of last year with injuries.
Chauncey Collins: Averaging 4 points and 1.3 rebounds per game

To put that in perspective.. those players average 40.4 points per game, and none of them are their best player. And they didnt have them at all last year. It's a lot of new additions from last years team.

Spangler, Thomas, Woodard, Walker, and Booker average 39.4.

 

[DenverSooner]

If my math is correct that is over 20 boards a game too. IF TCU can keep winning they might start conference play in the top 25. They are 27th this week.

 

[bgrch1350]

No doubt, it still Baffles me that so many people have been sold on the idea that recruiting rankings are valid. How much better is the #42 player than the 113th player? 10%, 1%, .00003%, or -10%? Nobody knows, but hey so and so says he is #42, lmao.

But yet its the higher ranked kids that win National Championships. If you never want to win a National Championship than recruiting the 113th player suits you just fine.

Feel free to pick out the last team that won a championship with sub-par recruits.

 

[StatGeek]

But yet its the higher ranked kids that win National Championships. If you never want to win a National Championship than recruiting the 113th player suits you just fine.

Feel free to pick out the last team that won a championship with sub-par recruits.

Define sub-par recruits.

 

[thebigabd]

For the record, I am completely aware of the potential this thread has to blow up in my face about halfway through conference season.

 

[TINY]

But yet its the higher ranked kids that win National Championships. If you never want to win a National Championship than recruiting the 113th player suits you just fine.

Feel free to pick out the last team that won a championship with sub-par recruits.

Are you saying the 113th player in the country is sub-par?

sub-par for Kentucky maybe..maybe

 

[Laxtothemax12]

Are you saying the 113th player in the country is sub-par?

sub-par for Kentucky maybe..maybe

There's over 330 Division 1 teams, most of the top 100 go to roughly 30 different schools. Im sure the 300 other schools would LOVE to have the 113th best player in the country. Also, does 'Zay look like a 2-star? Yeah, didn't think so. I bet if they re-did the 2012 class rankings Isaiah and Buddy would be in the top 100. Look at the players you've never heard of since that were ranked in there.

TINY-this rant isn't directed towards you, just those that over-value rankings by 10 different sites.

 

[bgrch1350]

Define sub-par recruits.

It's simple. Pull up uconn, Kentucky, l'ville, duke, ku, unc. And look at their recruits and their rankings during the year they won their championships and then look at ou's. If you cant see the difference then there's nothing I can say to define it.

 

[bgrch1350]

Are you saying the 113th player in the country is sub-par?

sub-par for Kentucky maybe..maybe

No. I'm saying if your team is led by the 113th player and guys who aren't even ranked. You have no chance at winning a national championship.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

Sooner fans, if you want to help recruiting, then go to the games. It helps a lot when a recruit comes in and sees a good crowd at the home games. It can hurt a lot when there is a sea of empty seats.

For OU to take the next step and upgrade recruiting, that is what it is going to take. Everything else is in place:

> Wonderful head coach
> Assistants that are fine recruiters
> Excellent facilities

Typically, OU plays in front of bigger crowds when they go on the road. If you guys are serious about wanting a national championship, then go to the games in Norman.

And bring a friend.

 

[garyeb2]

No. I'm saying if your team is led by the 113th player and guys who aren't even ranked. You have no chance at winning a national championship.

Everyone would agree that the teams with the best players will out perform teams with inferior players. The argument is whether or not recruit rankings are an accurate indication of which players will be the most productive college players.

The answer to that question is a resounding no. Sure, the top 10/15 guys every class are probably a cut above the rest of them. And everyone would like to have one of them. But, the recruit rankings aren't offering up any special insight. Everyone knows who those guys are.

Past that, they offer nothing. They are just like my rankings or yours. They are just someone's opinion that is likely to be wrong.

 

[Sooner04]

No. I'm saying if your team is led by the 113th player and guys who aren't even ranked. You have no chance at winning a national championship.

Are you that confident in Butler's recruiting? Wichita State's? Virginia Commonwealth's?

 

[StatGeek]

It's simple. Pull up uconn, Kentucky, l'ville, duke, ku, unc. And look at their recruits and their rankings during the year they won their championships and then look at ou's. If you cant see the difference then there's nothing I can say to define it.

I thought it was a simple request. :facepalm

I will try to make it easier. You can pick whichever recruiting site you wish and whichever roster you wish and define which players are above par, par, and below par. And then I will have the capacity to answer your question.

Or you could simply state that any recruit ranked lower than 30th, 50th, 100th etc. by Rivals is a "sub-par" recruit. Once you define the criteria I will attempt to answer the question.