Could you imagine a Notre Dame/Texas thanksgiving day game?
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Could you imagine a Notre Dame/Texas thanksgiving day game?
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Won't happen. Anybody that refuses to acknowledge that OU (and UT) has it pretty easy right now with the league we are in, isn't ignoring the facts. I'd bet just about everything that OU doesn't make 4 NC games over the last how ever many years, if we're playing in the Big 12. A LOT would have to change for OU to compete week in and week out in the SEC.
As for the PAC-10, we matchup a lot better out there, but I don't get anything out of being in a conference with a bunch of west coast schools. At least the SEC is nearby. The PAC-10 feels like a different country.
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I would love to add ND but that's a pipe dream. They didn't take the Big 10's offer they won't take the Big 12's.
Big 12 needs to add at least 1 or 2 football powers. Or teams that are really high up there. Boise and BYU for example. I can see adding a population base in Memphis even though they add nothing to football. They can invade some TV sets in the SEC market. Other than that nobody else adds much of anything. The Big 12 won't last unless it adds 3 teams with all these conferences going to more than 12 teams.
Big 12 needs to add at least 1 or 2 football powers. Or teams that are really high up there. Boise and BYU for example. I can see adding a population base in Memphis even though they add nothing to football. They can invade some TV sets in the SEC market. Other than that nobody else adds much of anything. The Big 12 won't last unless it adds 3 teams with all these conferences going to more than 12 teams.
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All I have heard is that UT and ND were looking to play a Thanksgiving night game to replace A&M, basically the Horns are trying to stick it to the Aggies. Compound that with Swarbrick's comments about not wanting leave their independence, just don't see it happening...especially if they have already spurned the Big 10. Furthermore, bringing in a second school with its own network is going to be problematic...just fractions the conference more. As much fun as people like to poke at other conferences, the Pac-12 and SEC have institutions who seem to be all behind the same ideal. With UT and ND in the fold, our conference is only further weakened from that standpoint, which only creates future clashes.
The problem with adding TCU, New Mexico, etc is that all you're doing is putting a band aid on a broken leg. The list ABD threw up is just a conference ripe to get poached, we would be visiting the same issue we are know in a shorter time than some think.
How long is OU supposed to wait around and let these smaller schools "grow"? Three years? Five? Ten? The Big XII is a sinking ship, time to get off.
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How could it be easier than what we've had the past 11 years in football? Since 2000 OU has won 7 Big XII titles, Texas 2, Kansas State 1, Colorado 1, Nebraska 0, Texas A&M 0. Nebraska and A&M ran away because they want out of big brothers shadow.
Same with Kansas in basketball. Nothing changes.
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That is my point. Why would we even think about going to the SEC if we didn't have to? We won't enjoy near the sucess there, that we do in the Big 12. Even if that means adding a couple of patsies to keep this thing alive. That is FAR more valuable then another $10M a year in cash.
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Isn't the key difference that the Big 12 would let Notre Dame keep their tv deal while the Big 10 didn't? I'm not saying it's going to happen -- I really have no idea what the chances are -- but they don't really see the situations as being analogous.
I really don't know what to think about all of this. Everyone makes good points.
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Right... you are going to give yourself a better chance at championships by playing: OSU, ISU, KSU, KU, MU, TECH, Baylor, and UT in your league than playing Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, etc.
Keep it alive, add some mid-level teams that bring something unique to the league, heck, even add some TV markets and recruiting areas, but DO NOT go join someone elses party.
That's exactly what it would mean.
$10,000.00 says OU would not beat Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, etc consistently.
Central Florida is ripe for fast improvement. Brand new facilities, huge school, great location, high profile coaches, top 25 in both hoops and football last year. They wouldnt be an issue.
Louisville is ready to compete in both sports right away....
TCU is ready to compete in football right now, and is in a great spot to recruit basketball talent.
Memphis is a championship caliber basketball program, but would be light years away in football. But, another patsy on the the schedule for others while they attempt to improve.
New Mexico, South Florida, same thing.
The problem with the Notre Dame scenario is Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and Kansas State.
They are so far beneath Notre Dame academically and not the types of schools ND schedules. What would be interesting is a totally new conference.
Think if you could pull Purdue and Indiana from the Big 10 along with Notre Dame. Say see ya to Baylor and Texas Tech. Texas can do this now that A&M split.
Then you have Missouri, Iowa State, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, OSU & Texas.
Tell me a conference with OU, Texas, Notre Dame football, Kansas & Indiana basketball would not be the bomb. Indiana and Purdue are probably not that attached to the Big 10. They would most likely hook up with Notre Dame over it.
They are so far beneath Notre Dame academically and not the types of schools ND schedules. What would be interesting is a totally new conference.
Think if you could pull Purdue and Indiana from the Big 10 along with Notre Dame. Say see ya to Baylor and Texas Tech. Texas can do this now that A&M split.
Then you have Missouri, Iowa State, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, OSU & Texas.
Tell me a conference with OU, Texas, Notre Dame football, Kansas & Indiana basketball would not be the bomb. Indiana and Purdue are probably not that attached to the Big 10. They would most likely hook up with Notre Dame over it.
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I think the two division without cross division games could be enticing to a team like ND, because it would leave 7 non-con games to fill out their schedule that they could sell on their own network/tv deal. Teams like ISU, KU, TT and Baylor that cannot fill out a 7 game non-con can play each other in non-divisional games. Imagine a conference title game between OU and ND. I think In basketball, you would go back to the old big xii schedule, i.e (2 against each division opponent and 1 against each cross division opponent)
North
ND
KU
KSU
ISU
Mizzou
BYU or Pitt
South
OU
OSU
UT
TT
TCU
Baylor
Teams like OU, UT and ND can make a ton of money from a 7 game non con schedule.
North
ND
KU
KSU
ISU
Mizzou
BYU or Pitt
South
OU
OSU
UT
TT
TCU
Baylor
Teams like OU, UT and ND can make a ton of money from a 7 game non con schedule.
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Except there is both a history of OU and ND playing each other and a current agreement outlining future games. My guess is that ND will forgive a perceived academic inferiority, if there is compensating football tradition. The schools that boca listed have neither a sufficient academic reputation nor football tradition.
Interesting read I found on another board. IMO this is exactly what's going on behind the scenes and I do agree it's in our best interests FINANCIALLY to stay aligned with the whorns.
Going to be an interesting next couple of years!
http://texas.247sports.com/Article/Pick-of-the-litter-37746
Going to be an interesting next couple of years!
http://texas.247sports.com/Article/Pick-of-the-litter-37746
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Not really, and each school has its own specialty.
OSU is the school for engineering, health sciences, animal science, geology, and a few others.
OU is the school for business, law, health sciences, weather, and a few others.
It just depends on what you want to do. I don't know much about Tech or KSU, but they seem to have the worst reputations. I am sure they have their specialties as well.
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Stick to the NBA, abd.
LOL @ a really good accounting program ... debit's on the left ... next
This is the first I've heard about OSU being ahead of OU in engineering or geology which leaves you with animal sciences and "a few others"
Where is OSU on this list?
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See, I knew Tech would have their specialty. Top 10 engineering school.
I didn't go to OSU, so I don't know about their academics. I just know they have a reputation in this state for engineering, agriculture, vet science, and geology.
Maybe geology because Boone Pickens donated a lot of money into the "Boone Pickens College of Geology" at OSU?
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