Texas A&M officially leaves the Big 12

[WaymanFan]

you're certainly entitled to your opinion Mizz, but I don't see OU dominating the SEC either. You throw Taco Tech off the schedule and put in Auburn? Get rid of Mizzou and add LSU? Are you kidding me? Kansas for Arkansas?

I think that's where the misunderstanding lies. I don't think anyone ever said OU would "dominate" the SEC. Would we win 7 conference titles in 11 years like we have in the Big XII? Of course not...and neither would Alabama and Florida if OU came aboard. However, OU would be highly competitive and in the thick of things year in and year out. I think the point being made by the likes of JMizzy and myself is that OU will still be a national power in the SEC and we'd still win an occasional National Championship. In other words, OU backs down from NO ONE.

It should also be noted that LSU won a recent National Championship with two losses. The SEC is the one conference where that is possible, so the margin for error would increase even more if a school like OU was added.

 

[NickZepp]

you're certainly entitled to your opinion Mizz, but I don't see OU dominating the SEC either. You throw Taco Tech off the schedule and put in Auburn? Get rid of Mizzou and add LSU? Are you kidding me? Kansas for Arkansas?

SEC would lead to GREAT games...don't get me wrong. And I do think we'd fight for our share of titles. But there is no way we'd keep up our current clip of conference success.

Arkansas hasn't really been that good since joining the SEC. But you also have some traditionally terrible football programs near the bottom. Vandy, Miss State, Mississippi has been real bad the last few years. Tennessee has done nothing for 5 or 6 years too. The SEC has it's bottom feeders too. OU would compete with all those teams. I don't see OU going to the SEC. Maybe I'm wrong but I think they want to go to the PAC whatever or stay in the Big 12.

 

[thebigabd]

I think that's where the misunderstanding lies. I don't think anyone ever said OU would "dominate" the SEC. Would we win 7 conference titles in 11 years like we have in the Big XII? Of course not...and neither would Alabama and Florida if OU came aboard. However, OU would be highly competitive and in the thick of things year in and year out. I think the point being made by the likes of JMizzy and myself is that OU will still be a national power in the SEC and we'd still win an occasional National Championship. In other words, OU backs down from NO ONE.

It should also be noted that LSU won a recent National Championship with two losses. The SEC is the one conference where that is possible, so the margin for error would increase even more if a school like OU was added.

OU has played some horrific football programs over the Stoops era at OU, which has led to them dominating the conference and putting them in a position to play for a national title quite a bit.

Kansas - sucks
Missouri - sucks
Baylor - sucks
OSU - sucks but getting better
Tech - Pretty good, but never anything special
Nebraska - Sucked for the duration of the Stoops era
Colorado - Sucks
Iowa State - Sucks
Kansas State - Has had great moments, but sucked lately
Texas A&M - Sucks
Texas - Great

Now, you take a look at the SEC

Auburn: Great
LSU: Great
Florida: Great
Alabama: Great
Georgia: Good
Tennessee: Good
South Carolina: Average
Arkansas: Average
Vandy: Sucks
Miss State: Sucks
Ole Miss: Sucks
Kentucky: Sucks

First off, im not sure why they would want to add OU and Texas to that mix. It creates a situation where everybody gets beat up. Every single week is a championship caliber game. Now, thats great on one hand but in a non-playoff system that just doesnt work. You will get beat 2-3 times (in a good year) and other teams will be 12-0.

Second, you can't translate any of the Stoops era success to what they might do in the SEC. Why? Because the Big 12 football programs suck for the most part and OU has rolled weak competition, outside of the UT game and the occasional uprising from KSU, OSU, Tech, and A&M.

 

[WTSooner]

No, because the tradition of Oklahoma Football has proven to be second to none, and we would not have to take a backseat to anyone currently playing in the SEC. Of course it would be more competitive, but Oklahoma has faired well against tough competition historically, and OU would compete with those teams.

Of course alot of other folks agreed, but your personal hatred for me forced you to respond to ONLY my comment. Why don't you do yourself a favor and ignore me, like I do you. I'm not your kind, and you made that clear on the other board. Won't cost me an ounce of sleep if you ignore me, because I darn sure don't care much for what you have to say......

OU has NEVER had to play a season as tough as going through the SEC would be right now. We think road games at aTm and TT are tough? Wait until those games are in Tuscaloosa, or Knoxville, or in The Swamp. The SEC is on a completely different recruiting level then the rest of college football. Mostly at the oline/dline spots, but you can see an overall team speed difference from top to bottom. Might OU start recruiting differently once in the SEC? Maybe, but it isn't like we'll just start taking those athletes away from the SEC schools.

Some of you that hate hearing how good the SEC is will hate this post. I don't care. Ignoring how good that league is, and how differently it operates from anything OU has ever seen, is silly. As things currently sit, 95% of the time we'll be favored in every conference game we play except maybe UT. What does that percentage fall to in the SEC?

Edit: And Stoops would never say this publically, but I'd be willing to bet there is no way he'll let Joe C. send OU to the SEC.

 

[NickZepp]

Depends on the year. 2000 was a real tough schedule. 08 was a tough schedule.

SEC is really good. And OU is going to the PAC not the Big 12 more than likely so it's all a moot point. OU is going in a conference with OSU. The SEC won't take OSU so it's not happening

The SEC would be real good for OU basketball. You have Florida and Kentucky. But Kentucky has a coach that is bound to leave them in probation eventually. The rest of the conference is horrible in basketball. A&M may be the 3rd best b-ball program in the SEC right now.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

I think that's where the misunderstanding lies. I don't think anyone ever said OU would "dominate" the SEC. Would we win 7 conference titles in 11 years like we have in the Big XII? Of course not...and neither would Alabama and Florida if OU came aboard. However, OU would be highly competitive and in the thick of things year in and year out. I think the point being made by the likes of JMizzy and myself is that OU will still be a national power in the SEC and we'd still win an occasional National Championship. In other words, OU backs down from NO ONE.
It should also be noted that LSU won a recent National Championship with two losses. The SEC is the one conference where that is possible, so the margin for error would increase even more if a school like OU was added.

Exactly what I was saying. Oklahoma football would not have to take a backseat to anyone currently in the SEC. Teams like Bama and Florida, along with LSU would have to get ready for Oklahoma, just like Oklahoma would have to get ready for them..... It just seems to me that some believe that we would we become second fiddle to the top teams in the SEC, and I just don't agree with that.

Who's to say that moving a storied program like OUrs to the SEC wouldn't open new recruiting avenues for us?? The old Big 8 was a smash mouth conference with the top teams running the ball. As the trends changed, so did the type of players we recruited. If we moved to a more physical conference like the SEC, where they still play smash mouth football, OUr recruiting would surely change, and we would go after more physical types on both sides of the line.

Our defensive tackles and ends that Stoops has signed over the yrs, would be pretty highly ranked in the SEC. Our skill players would be close, and OUr qb's would probably be the best, IMO. I'm just not seeing where we would all of a sudden become less than contenders.......

 

[stoops4pres]

I think that's where the misunderstanding lies. I don't think anyone ever said OU would "dominate" the SEC. Would we win 7 conference titles in 11 years like we have in the Big XII? Of course not...and neither would Alabama and Florida if OU came aboard. However, OU would be highly competitive and in the thick of things year in and year out. I think the point being made by the likes of JMizzy and myself is that OU will still be a national power in the SEC and we'd still win an occasional National Championship. In other words, OU backs down from NO ONE.

It should also be noted that LSU won a recent National Championship with two losses. The SEC is the one conference where that is possible, so the margin for error would increase even more if a school like OU was added.

This.

 

[campbest]

I just don't see the big deal...the SEC of course will be more competitive, but OU will still contend. Will we win 7 titles in 11 years? Absolutely not, but we could possibly win 2-3, which would put you in damn good position to play for a MNC. Ironcially enough, that is about the same rate we are playing for a MNC right now.

Think the main difference is it would be tougher to backdoor into the conference championship game than we have seen in the past (i.e. UT losing their last two games a few years ago).

With all that said, Pac-16 is the way to go...just need UT to make their LHN a regionalized network under Larry Scott's television format and we are good to go. A "East" division of OU, OSU, UT, TT, Zona, ASU, Utah and Colorado is a pretty sweet trade-off.

 

[stoops4pres]

OU has played some horrific football programs over the Stoops era at OU, which has led to them dominating the conference and putting them in a position to play for a national title quite a bit.

Kansas - sucks
Missouri - sucks
Baylor - sucks
OSU - sucks but getting better
Tech - Pretty good, but never anything special
Nebraska - Sucked for the duration of the Stoops era
Colorado - Sucks
Iowa State - Sucks
Kansas State - Has had great moments, but sucked lately
Texas A&M - Sucks
Texas - Great

Now, you take a look at the SEC

Auburn: Great
LSU: Great
Florida: Great
Alabama: Great
Georgia: Good
Tennessee: Good
South Carolina: Average
Arkansas: Average
Vandy: Sucks
Miss State: Sucks
Ole Miss: Sucks
Kentucky: Sucks

First off, im not sure why they would want to add OU and Texas to that mix. It creates a situation where everybody gets beat up. Every single week is a championship caliber game. Now, thats great on one hand but in a non-playoff system that just doesnt work. You will get beat 2-3 times (in a good year) and other teams will be 12-0.

Second, you can't translate any of the Stoops era success to what they might do in the SEC. Why? Because the Big 12 football programs suck for the most part and OU has rolled weak competition, outside of the UT game and the occasional uprising from KSU, OSU, Tech, and A&M.

LOL, there is so much revisionist history in this.

Do yourself a favor and go look at the Sagarin Ratings (arguably the best quantifiable system out there) each year dating back to 2000. You will come to two observations:

I) The Big 12 has been nowhere near as weak as you are implying. Sure, they've had a couple years where they were down, but cumulatively they have probably been the 2nd best conference in the country. And in some years they've arguably been better than the SEC.

II) OU has typically played a very tough schedule throughout the Stoops era. There have been only a few instances where they had a mediocre schedule. And in some of those years OU's SOS was at, or near the top.

 

[stoops4pres]

Exactly what I was saying. Oklahoma football would not have to take a backseat to anyone currently in the SEC. Teams like Bama and Florida, along with LSU would have to get ready for Oklahoma, just like Oklahoma would have to get ready for them..... It just seems to me that some believe that we would we become second fiddle to the top teams in the SEC, and I just don't agree with that.

Who's to say that moving a storied program like OUrs to the SEC wouldn't open new recruiting avenues for us?? The old Big 8 was a smash mouth conference with the top teams running the ball. As the trends changed, so did the type of players we recruited. If we moved to a more physical conference like the SEC, where they still play smash mouth football, OUr recruiting would surely change, and we would go after more physical types on both sides of the line.

Our defensive tackles and ends that Stoops has signed over the yrs, would be pretty highly ranked in the SEC. Our skill players would be close, and OUr qb's would probably be the best, IMO. I'm just not seeing where we would all of a sudden become less than contenders.......

:clap :clap :clap

 

[jmizzy4ou]

LOL, there is so much revisionist history in this.

Do yourself a favor and go look at the Sagarin Ratings (arguably the best quantifiable system out there) each year dating back to 2000. You will come to two observations:

I) The Big 12 has been nowhere near as weak as you are implying. Sure, they've had a couple years where they were down, but cumulatively they have probably been the 2nd best conference in the country. And in some years they've arguably been better than the SEC.

II) OU has typically played a very tough schedule throughout the Stoops era. There have been only a few instances where they had a mediocre schedule. And in some of those years OU's SOS was at, or near the top.

I agree with this.... Not sure if ABD is ranking the teams based on current levels, or historic levels.

 

[luckyc1423]

I agree with this.... Not sure if ABD is ranking the teams based on current levels, or historic levels.

I think some of you guys read what you want to read. ABD clearly stated that the big 12 has been weak since THE BOB STOOPS ERA

Which it has...

 

[luckyc1423]

I agree with this.... Not sure if ABD is ranking the teams based on current levels, or historic levels.

To me the way the BCS is ran it just doesnt make sense to have potentially 5 of the top 6 programs in the nation in the same conference.

 

[stoops4pres]

I think some of you guys read what you want to read. ABD clearly stated that the big 12 has been weak since THE BOB STOOPS ERA

Which it has...

Cumulatively speaking, the only conference that can definitively say they have been better is the SEC. The Big 12 has arguably been the 2nd best conference throughout the Stoops era. This is based off of methodical rankings that don't look into perception or the name on the front of the jerseys (unlike some board posters on here applying that particular reasoning).

It's pretty hard to make a case saying the Big 12 has been "weak" when they've been one of the top conferences in the country, and in some years have been arguably the best. I guess it's a matter of semantics.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

I think some of you guys read what you want to read. ABD clearly stated that the big 12 has been weak since THE BOB STOOPS ERA

Which it has...

Sorry I missed that part. Once I saw the Sucks label next to almost every Big 12 team, then I saw Great next to Auburn, I quit reading....

Calling the Big 12 weak is a stretch for sure, when the Big 12 has been a player on the national scene since the BOB STOOPS era. Stoops4pres has done a great job of dispelling the argument that the Big 12 has been weak, when in fact, they have ran a close 2nd to the SEC.

With that reasoning, the only conference, that matters in football is the SEC. I jusy don't agree with that. Respect them- YES, Fear them- NO WAY.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

To me the way the BCS is ran it just doesnt make sense to have potentially 5 of the top 6 programs in the nation in the same conference.

Well if this Mega-Conference crap continues, it won't matter what makes sense, because it will be a reality.........

 

[Sawyer]

OU has played some horrific football programs over the Stoops era at OU, which has led to them dominating the conference and putting them in a position to play for a national title quite a bit.

Kansas - sucks
Missouri - sucks
Baylor - sucks
OSU - sucks but getting better
Tech - Pretty good, but never anything special
Nebraska - Sucked for the duration of the Stoops era
Colorado - Sucks
Iowa State - Sucks
Kansas State - Has had great moments, but sucked lately
Texas A&M - Sucks
Texas - Great

Now, you take a look at the SEC

Auburn: Great
LSU: Great
Florida: Great
Alabama: Great
Georgia: Good
Tennessee: Good
South Carolina: Average
Arkansas: Average
Vandy: Sucks
Miss State: Sucks
Ole Miss: Sucks
Kentucky: Sucks

Missouri has been better over the past several years than every one of those teams you labeled good or average (and, as you may recall, beat OU last year).

 

[stoops4pres]

Sorry I missed that part. Once I saw the Sucks label next to almost every Big 12 team, then I saw Great next to Auburn, I quit reading....

Calling the Big 12 weak is a stretch for sure, when the Big 12 has been a player on the national scene since the BOB STOOPS era. Stoops4pres has done a great job of dispelling the argument that the Big 12 has been weak, when in fact, they have ran a close 2nd to the SEC.

With that reasoning, the only conference, that matters in football is the SEC. I jusy don't agree with that. Respect them- YES, Fear them- NO WAY.

LOL, yeah, it's hard to take someone's opinion of college football seriously when they are comparing Nebraska, Missouri, and Oklahoma State to the likes of Vanderbilt and Mississippi State. :facepalm

 

[thebigabd]

Sorry I missed that part. Once I saw the Sucks label next to almost every Big 12 team, then I saw Great next to Auburn, I quit reading....

Calling the Big 12 weak is a stretch for sure, when the Big 12 has been a player on the national scene since the BOB STOOPS era. Stoops4pres has done a great job of dispelling the argument that the Big 12 has been weak, when in fact, they have ran a close 2nd to the SEC.

With that reasoning, the only conference, that matters in football is the SEC. I jusy don't agree with that. Respect them- YES, Fear them- NO WAY.

The Big 12 has been a player on the national scene because of OU and Texas. End of story.

As for most Big 12 teams getting the suck label, well, damn, come on man. How many teams have won the Big 12 in football? OU, UT, and KSU? Isnt that it? The same two teams control the conference pretty much every year, and the rest fight it out to make a bowl.

Sure, KSU/A&M/Mizzou have been pretty good sometimes (especially some of those Snyder KSU teams), but they always fall off. Out of 12 teams, there are two consistently good teams since 2000, which is OU and Texas.

LOL, yeah, it's hard to take someone's opinion of college football seriously when they are comparing Nebraska, Missouri, and Oklahoma State to the likes of Vanderbilt and Mississippi State.

You know what I meant.

Missouri has been better over the past several years than every one of those teams you labeled good or average (and, as you may recall, beat OU last year).

Since 2000 they have gone to 7 bowl games, the best being the Cotton Bowl, and are 3-4 in those games. 2 independence bowls and one insight.com bowl.

I am not saying Mizzou has been a crappy football team, but in the grand scheme of things are pretty irrelevant in most years.

Look fellas.... the bottom line here is that OU and Texas need to stay in a position that is favorable to them. They need to go get some mid-level teams like Central Florida, Louisville, TCU, etc and add some basketball schools like Memphis, Louisville, and New Mexico and keep this thing together.

OU won't win a national championship again for a long time, and the possibilities to do so will go do exponentially if you join a conference with 3-4 equal programs. That does not put OU football in a favorable situation.

OU has an elite football program, for sure. But, you have to admit that the conference, as a whole, in most years, is not very good. But, that works for OU.

 

[WTSooner]

The Big 12 has been a player on the national scene because of OU and Texas. End of story.

Yep, any ranking that shows the Big 12 as a good conference is only doing so b/c OU and UT have dominated. VERY, very top heavy.

Just run down the list.....if you rank the Big 12 and SEC teams in recent years, my guess is that you'd see OU and UT in the top 3-4, but those are probably the only Big 12 teams that would consistently be in the top 5-6 teams. The Big 12 doesn't have as many top heavy teams as the SEC does, and the bad teams in the SEC aren't as bad as the bad teams in the Big 12. I'd much rather play Iowa State then Ole Miss, or even Vandy.