Texas A&M officially leaves the Big 12

[campbest]

Central Florida is ripe for fast improvement. Brand new facilities, huge school, great location, high profile coaches, top 25 in both hoops and football last year. They wouldnt be an issue.

Louisville is ready to compete in both sports right away....

TCU is ready to compete in football right now, and is in a great spot to recruit basketball talent.

Memphis is a championship caliber basketball program, but would be light years away in football. But, another patsy on the the schedule for others while they attempt to improve.

New Mexico, South Florida, same thing.

Same thing I said earlier, how long are we supposed to wait?

You mention UCF basketball in the top 25 but who did they play? What happened when they started conference playing in the atrocious CUSA? Hell they were 17-0 and only ranked 15th or so in the nation. Complete frauds and everyone knew it.

Wouldn't mind a Louisville addition, but their administration and donor base is basketball oriented, they love the Big East. It's a perfect fit for them, they can play in the toughest conference in America, yet still garner some big money with bowl berths if they win the BE. Why downgrade opportunities for both sports?

TCU can compete in football, right now. However, they will never be competitive in basketball...legitimately feel bad for their team the next few years, they are going to get slaughtered. Also, they don't solve the television sets issue.

Memphis adds TVs...but those TVs are tuned into SEC games. Basketball would be a plus, but if this super conference talk goes as indicated and Memphis gets left out...they will struggle and Pastner will leave. Mark it down.

New Mexico....lol. Love the state but they have no business in any conference outside the Mountain West that doesn't involve basketball. Zero recruiting base in that state, Texas is their lifeline and they don't stand a chance.


West Coast = Best Coast, best (proposed) offer out there.

 

[bocabull]

West Coast = Best Coast, best (proposed) offer out there.

I was fired up about the Pac-16 last year, especially living in Scottsdale. But the more I think about it I really think the 10 team model is the best.

I can see these big conference ending up like the big banks where are they go on their expansion binge then spend the next decade divesting. The best thing about college football to me has nothing to do with a conference. It's a bigtime rivalry or two coupled with exciting non conference home/aways.

A 10 team conference with 4 marquee programs where most of the money flows to those 4 programs will be the best model. We lost an outdated marquee program with severe demographic disadvantages (Nebraska) and two wanna be programs who are not marquee (Colorado + A&M). The Big XII could even offer Arkansas a sweeter deal than A&M had and be better off.

 

[campbest]

I was fired up about the Pac-16 last year, especially living in Scottsdale. But the more I think about it I really think the 10 team model is the best.

I can see these big conference ending up like the big banks where are they go on their expansion binge then spend the next decade divesting. The best thing about college football to me has nothing to do with a conference. It's a bigtime rivalry or two coupled with exciting non conference home/aways.

A 10 team conference with 4 marquee programs where most of the money flows to those 4 programs will be the best model. We lost an outdated marquee program with severe demographic disadvantages (Nebraska) and two wanna be programs who are not marquee (Colorado + A&M). The Big XII could even offer Arkansas a sweeter deal than A&M had and be better off.

I actually agree with that reasoning, just don't feel given the current state of college athletics (i.e. business) and the psyche amongst administrators that we can find someone to fill that void to the extent it needs to be. The Larry Scott's of the world are moving into the college sector more and more because there is money. For far too long decisions like these were being made my former coaches serving as ADs, think the "bigger is better" mentality will only continue to follow suit.

 

[stoops4pres]

Won't happen. Anybody that refuses to acknowledge that OU (and UT) has it pretty easy right now with the league we are in, isn't ignoring the facts. I'd bet just about everything that OU doesn't make 4 NC games over the last how ever many years, if we're playing in the Big 12. A LOT would have to change for OU to compete week in and week out in the SEC.

Strongly disagree with this.

Sure, since Stoops' tenure OU wouldn't have won the SEC at the same rate as they've won the Big 12. But you are greatly mistaken if you truly think OU can't compete week to week in the SEC. They have had arguably the best coach, and have fielded one of the most talented teams in the country for over a decade.

Don't let the departure from a couple institutions cloud your judgement about the Big 12's football pedigree spanning from the last several years. Since 2000 it has cumulatively been the 2nd best conference in the country, and a couple of those years it was arguably better than the SEC.

 

[bocabull]

If OU was in the SEC we would still win the same number of national titles and BCS bowls. What would change is the years we don't belong and slide into the BCS and get beat because Texas was our only real challenge. The majority of teams in the SEC are equivalent to Nebraska and A&M and we would beat them 90% of the time too.

 

[stoops4pres]

That's exactly what it would mean.

Mind explaining how? OU and Texas would leave because it would be what's best for them, not because of their inability to lure in some mediocre-at-best programs. The 9-team league could easily reel-in someone like Memphis (who you are suggesting) if they wanted to. Why else do you think SMU is currently campaigning to join?

$10,000.00 says OU would not beat Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, etc consistently.

You also think University of New Mexico is a hidden hotbed for football potential.

If you truly do not believe OU could beat those SEC programs consistently, then your knowledge of OU's football program in the past, and present, is lacking.

Central Florida is ripe for fast improvement. Brand new facilities, huge school, great location, high profile coaches, top 25 in both hoops and football last year. They wouldnt be an issue.

Louisville is ready to compete in both sports right away....

TCU is ready to compete in football right now, and is in a great spot to recruit basketball talent.

Memphis is a championship caliber basketball program, but would be light years away in football. But, another patsy on the the schedule for others while they attempt to improve.

New Mexico, South Florida, same thing.

I agree with you that Central Florida would plausibly be a positive addition to the Big 12, with the only deterrent being proximity.

Some of these other institutions you are mentioning, like New Mexico and TCU, would only be stop-gaps in the grand scheme of things. They would not be a solution to the Big 12 ultimately dissolving.

 

[stoops4pres]

If OU was in the SEC we would still win the same number of national titles and BCS bowls. What would change is the years we don't belong and slide into the BCS and get beat because Texas was our only real challenge. The majority of teams in the SEC are equivalent to Nebraska and A&M and we would beat them 90% of the time too.

Pretty much what I think, as well.

 

[bocabull]

And actually if OU was in the SEC we might have won another title last decade and been spared the USC disaster. Auburn would have most likely beat us in 2004 and If we would have played LSU or Florida in the regular season and that game was held in Norman we probably win and then have taken out some patsy in the title game.

 

[WaymansFadeaway]

ABD, as for your conference re-alignment... My God that is absolutely the worst idea ever. Not just for sports, but literally the worst idea ever.

As for football, if you dont think OU could consistently beat Auburn, UGa, and UT then I dont know what to tell you. Auburn is pretty good about 2-3 times a decade. Georgia is probably the most under-achieving program in college football, and UThas a nice little run every now and then. Folrida and Bama I'll give you, those are the ones you just try to hold-serve at home.

Stick to college basketball... wait, dont do that either.

 

[stoops4pres]

And actually if OU was in the SEC we might have won another title last decade and been spared the USC disaster. Auburn would have most likely beat us in 2004 and If we would have played LSU or Florida in the regular season and that game was held in Norman we probably win and then have taken out some patsy in the title game.

I don't know if OU would've beaten Auburn that year; however, I would've expected OU to beat Florida and LSU that season, regardless of location. Both were mediocre in 2004.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Looks like some of the guys who love to bash the football posters when they come and discuss hoops, need to leave the hoops board occasionally and learn the history of OU football....

OU would have no problem contending for SEC titles on a consistent basis.

 

[WaymanFan]

Looks like some of the guys who love to bash the football posters when they come and discuss hoops, need to leave the hoops board occasionally and learn the history of OU football....

OU would have no problem contending for SEC titles on a consistent basis.

Good observation, JMizzy. I'll admit that I'm one of those who likes to make fun of the football fans who decide to start posting on the hoops board once recruiting season is over in early February. However, I do have a solid understanding of Sooner football. Let's put it this way. As long as Nick Saban is at Alabama, will they contend for the conference title in most years? Well, you if answered YES, then the same applies to OU. Oklahoma's and Alabama's football tradition are about as equal as two programs can be. Heck, they even wear the same colors.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Good observation, JMizzy. I'll admit that I'm one of those who likes to make fun of the football fans who decide to start posting on the hoops board once recruiting season is over in early February. However, I do have a solid understanding of Sooner football. Let's put it this way. As long as Nick Saban is at Alabama, will they contend for the conference title in most years? Well, you if answered YES, then the same applies to OU. Oklahoma's and Alabama's football tradition are about as equal as two programs can be. Heck, they even wear the same colors.

:clap:clap:clap

 

[stoops4pres]

Good observation, JMizzy. I'll admit that I'm one of those who likes to make fun of the football fans who decide to start posting on the hoops board once recruiting season is over in early February. However, I do have a solid understanding of Sooner football. Let's put it this way. As long as Nick Saban is at Alabama, will they contend for the conference title in most years? Well, you if answered YES, then the same applies to OU. Oklahoma's and Alabama's football tradition are about as equal as two programs can be. Heck, they even wear the same colors.

Precisely.

 

[tycat947]

Another good article from ESPN, of all people, concerning A&M leaving and OU's options. I pretty much agree.

http://espn.go.com/colleges/oklahom...09/time-oklahoma-power-conference-realignment

 

[WTSooner]

OU would have no problem contending for SEC titles on a consistent basis.

Because you said so?

 

[Sawyer]

Contending for and winning aren't the same thing.

LSU, Alabama, Auburn and Florida all consistently contend for SEC titles. Georgia is often in the mix, as well. OU would also be in that group, but the likelihood of them winning 70% like they do in the Big 12 is pretty low.

Comparing anything to the Big 12 is probably pretty pointless, though. The conference is not going to last. BYU isn't coming. Notre Dame isn't going to give up their independence. It's only a matter of time before the whole thing crumbles.

 

[Tony]

"Oklahoma holds all the cards"

http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/one-more-move-and-big-12-is-over-1809134.html

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Because you said so?

No, because the tradition of Oklahoma Football has proven to be second to none, and we would not have to take a backseat to anyone currently playing in the SEC. Of course it would be more competitive, but Oklahoma has faired well against tough competition historically, and OU would compete with those teams.

Of course alot of other folks agreed, but your personal hatred for me forced you to respond to ONLY my comment. Why don't you do yourself a favor and ignore me, like I do you. I'm not your kind, and you made that clear on the other board. Won't cost me an ounce of sleep if you ignore me, because I darn sure don't care much for what you have to say......

 

[coolm]

you're certainly entitled to your opinion Mizz, but I don't see OU dominating the SEC either. You throw Taco Tech off the schedule and put in Auburn? Get rid of Mizzou and add LSU? Are you kidding me? Kansas for Arkansas?

SEC would lead to GREAT games...don't get me wrong. And I do think we'd fight for our share of titles. But there is no way we'd keep up our current clip of conference success.