Texas A&M officially leaves the Big 12

[SoonerBounce13]

The Big 12 has been a player on the national scene because of OU and Texas. End of story.

You really need to stick to basketball.

The big 12 generally has2-3 teams in the top 10 each year and 4 in the top 25. And who these teams are rotates (excluding OU/TX)
OU & Texas have won national titles
osu,Kansas,Mizzou,Kstate,Colorado,& even tech have all had seasons where they fell just short of getting into the national title game.

I seriously believe you just say **** to get a rise out of people. You can't possible believe what you type half the time.
Read Phil Steele's conference rankings fromt he past decade.

 

[tycat947]

Yep, any ranking that shows the Big 12 as a good conference is only doing so b/c OU and UT have dominated. VERY, very top heavy.

Just run down the list.....if you rank the Big 12 and SEC teams in recent years, my guess is that you'd see OU and UT in the top 3-4, but those are probably the only Big 12 teams that would consistently be in the top 5-6 teams. The Big 12 doesn't have as many top heavy teams as the SEC does, and the bad teams in the SEC aren't as bad as the bad teams in the Big 12. I'd much rather play Iowa State then Ole Miss, or even Vandy.

Big 10 is dominated by Ohio State, Pac 10 was dominated by USC and the Big East and ACC were well, average! Therefore, we're back to Big 12 was second to SEC in conference strength.

 

[WTSooner]

Big 10 is dominated by Ohio State, Pac 10 was dominated by USC and the Big East and ACC were well, average! Therefore, we're back to Big 12 was second to SEC in conference strength.

Clown post.

I'm not comparing the Big 12 to those conferences. I'm comparing it to the SEC. And the SEC is dominated by UF, Bama, Tennessee, Auburn, and LSU. All of those programs are currently better than anybody in the Big 12, save OU and UT.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Yep, any ranking that shows the Big 12 as a good conference is only doing so b/c OU and UT have dominated. VERY, very top heavy.

And the SEC isn't?
Florida,LSU,Bama

Auburn's championship will get taken away

 

[WTSooner]

Bob Stoops is 3-3 against the SEC at OU.

1. I'm guessing he has a better winning % against every other conference. And yes, I realize 6 games is a small sample size.....which brings me to:

2. OU hasn't scheduled many games against SEC teams. I wonder why that is? Instead, we nearly always schedule our good OOC games against the PAC-10. Maybe we feel like those are easier wins?

 

[Sam]

Clown post.

I'm not comparing the Big 12 to those conferences. I'm comparing it to the SEC. And the SEC is dominated by UF, Bama, Tennessee, Auburn, and LSU. All of those programs are currently better than anybody in the Big 12, save OU and UT.

Has Tennessee done anything since the 200s began? Auburn has only won 2 conference titles in the last 20 years, how is that dominating?

 

[tycat947]

Clown post.

I'm not comparing the Big 12 to those conferences. I'm comparing it to the SEC. And the SEC is dominated by UF, Bama, Tennessee, Auburn, and LSU. All of those programs are currently better than anybody in the Big 12, save OU and UT.

Tennessee??? Auburn??? Auburn had one year (and likely will be taken away in the near future). Their preseason ranking is 23rd. Outside of the tentative NC last year, Tech and Mizzou have faired as well as Tenn and Aub the last 4 or 5 years.

 

[thebigabd]

Tennessee??? Auburn??? Auburn had one year (and likely will be taken away in the near future). Their preseason ranking is 23rd. Outside of the tentative NC last year, Tech and Mizzou have faired as well as Tenn and Aub the last 4 or 5 years.

Maybe its just me, but most years I get the feeling that if Tech and Mizzou played Auburn and Tennessee that they would be getting their ass kicked in those series.

 

[WTSooner]

Read Phil Steele's conference rankings fromt he past decade.

And ignore these?

http://www.teamrankings.com/college...-power-ranking-by-conf?rating_date=2011-01-11

 

[WTSooner]

Maybe its just me, but most years I get the feeling that if Tech and Mizzou played Auburn and Tennessee that they would be getting their ass kicked in those series.

They would. TT was "really" good for what, one year? Same for Mizzou. How long has LSU been good? Bama? UF? Heck, I'd argue most years Arkansas could beat all but the top 2-3 teams in the Big 12.

 

[WTSooner]

Besides, OSU/Mizzou/TT has done the same thing in recent seasons that OU/UT have done.....beaten up on the rest of the crappy teams in our conference. Then, for the most part, when it game time to team a really good OU/UT team, they couldn't do it. Sure, TT got by UT that one year. And sure, MU beat OU last year. But that is about it. They beat the patsies, then fold like cheap tents against real talent. Same with OSU. They actually invented that technique.

 

[Sawyer]

Since 2000 they have gone to 7 bowl games, the best being the Cotton Bowl, and are 3-4 in those games. 2 independence bowls and one insight.com bowl.

I am not saying Mizzou has been a crappy football team, but in the grand scheme of things are pretty irrelevant in most years.

You say the Cotton Bowl was Mizzou's peak. I'd point to the #4 finish in the polls that season. It was pretty much universally accepted that Mizzou got screwed that year (and completely dismantled an SEC team you claim has been better).

My contention isn't that Mizzou has been great. My point is that we've been equal to or better than Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina and Arkansas over the past several seasons (and beat those last two in bowl games). Over the past 4-5 seasons there haven't been more than 10-15 teams that have been better than Mizzou.

Wins over the past four years (five in parenthesis):
MU: 40 (48)
Arkansas: 31 (41)
Georgia: 35 (44)
Tennessee: 28 (37)
South Carolina: 29 (37)

But yeah... all those teams are better than us.

And the exact same would apply to OSU, Nebraska, and Texas Tech recently (A&M is on a similar level to UT and USC, as well). If you look at ksu and Colorado in the first half of the Stoops years, they would also belong.

The SEC is a good conference, but it's not nearly as good as you paint it.

 

[Sawyer]

Besides, OSU/Mizzou/TT has done the same thing in recent seasons that OU/UT have done.....beaten up on the rest of the crappy teams in our conference. Then, for the most part, when it game time to team a really good OU/UT team, they couldn't do it. Sure, TT got by UT that one year. And sure, MU beat OU last year. But that is about it. They beat the patsies, then fold like cheap tents against real talent. Same with OSU. They actually invented that technique.

You're right. MU, OSU and TT haven't been on OU's or UT's level consistently. They aren't Alabama, LSU, Florida or Auburn. But they're equal to or better than the mid-upper portion of the SEC.

 

[WTSooner]

Comparing total wins over a period of time proves very little, when teams have such big differences in SOS.

Also, 4-5 years is a pretty short time frame. But again, even if MU is as good as THOSE SEC schools, how many does that leave that have been better?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Bob Stoops is 3-3 against the SEC at OU.

1. I'm guessing he has a better winning % against every other conference. And yes, I realize 6 games is a small sample size.....which brings me to:

2. OU hasn't scheduled many games against SEC teams. I wonder why that is? Instead, we nearly always schedule our good OOC games against the PAC-10. Maybe we feel like those are easier wins?

of course b/c the pac 10 wasn't as good as the sec and the big 12 already had tough games.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

And ignore these?

http://www.teamrankings.com/college...-power-ranking-by-conf?rating_date=2011-01-11

haha yeah. That list is hilarious. The ACC is bad and is way too high almost every year. And the SEC is too low is alot of those years.

 

[Sawyer]

It leaves the four I've acknowledged multiple times have been better.

Total wins don't tell the whole story. You're right. But the differences in schedules are not so significant that you can say those other teams have been better. Even if you grant each of them an additional two wins/season, MU is still right there with them.

You're also right that 4-5 years isn't a long time. But is anything before that really relevant going forward? Does it matter for the future health of the Big 12 that Missouri wasn't very good in 2001? I don't think it does. What matters is that MU has now established itself as a program that will consistently win 8-10 games and will occasionally top that.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I don't think anybody is saying that the big 12 is better than the SEC. We are saying that the Big12 has been anything but weak in the bo stoops era. For most of the decade the top teams in the conferences have been
SEC
Florida
LSU
Bama

Big 12
OU
Tex
Mizzou

PAC
USC
Oregon as of late but they have been terrible most of the decade

Big 10
tOSU
Michigan

ACC
FSU
Miami

Big East
WVU
Pitt

 

[thebigabd]

There have been times, in this decade, that Colorado/ISU/Baylor/KSU/KU could barely snap a football.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

There have been times, in this decade, that Colorado/ISU/Baylor/KSU/KU could barely snap a football.

And there have been times, in this decade, that Colorado/KSU/KU were top 5 in the country