Texas-Hypocrite U

[inoref]

You really are a Baylor fan. Aren't you?

You really a Conspiracy fan. Aren't you? With poor investigative skill

 

[sybarite]

You really a Conspiracy fan. Aren't you? With poor investigative skill

Yeah. Like I'm the editor of the Washington Post who had Sally Jenkins write about Kim Mulkey, or the CEO of ESPN who had Michelle Voepel write about her recruiting tactics..

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

I got the impression something was said to the officials during halftime. No way to know for sure, but the game was called totally differently after the half.

In my opinion the big-12 officials are endangering the girls in the big-12 by being unwilling to stop the rough play we see from some teams. Baylor is rough. They hit and shove so much. They push people around. Force them to play within the rules. Get good position first. Don't get the ball, then start knocking people around to get your shot off. Lang was hit so hard in the face - by Cox who throws her arms around all the time - that her vision is damaged. That is why she did not play in the 2nd half. But the officials claim the air did it. Just like they did when McFarland had her jaw broken. "the air did it" then too apparently. How else can you explain broken jaws and damaged vision if you indicate there was no contact?

It is just a matter of time until a lawsuit is filed to get it under control. As happened to get the NFL to try to get some control.

Maddie has an injured knee because the refs would not get control of the game.

Teams have learned. Hit, push, shove, go over the back, knock people down, and you will be protected by officiating most of the time.

It has no place in the game - especially the women's game. The head of officials and the commissioner are ultimately responsible to get it controlled but seem intimated.

 

[inoref]

Yeah. Like I'm the editor of the Washington Post who had Sally Jenkins write about Kim Mulkey, or the CEO of ESPN who had Michelle Voepel write about her recruiting tactics..

Yeah and this has what to do with officials helping one team over the other

 

[sybarite]

I got the impression something was said to the officials during halftime. No way to know for sure, but the game was called totally differently after the half.

In my opinion the big-12 officials are endangering the girls in the big-12 by being unwilling to stop the rough play we see from some teams. Baylor is rough. They hit and shove so much. They push people around. Force them to play within the rules. Get good position first. Don't get the ball, then start knocking people around to get your shot off. Lang was hit so hard in the face - by Cox who throws her arms around all the time - that her vision is damaged. That is why she did not play in the 2nd half. But the officials claim the air did it. Just like they did when McFarland had her jaw broken. "the air did it" then too apparently. How else can you explain broken jaws and damaged vision if you indicate there was no contact?

It is just a matter of time until a lawsuit is filed to get it under control. As happened to get the NFL to try to get some control.

Maddie has an injured knee because the refs would not get control of the game.

Teams have learned. Hit, push, shove, go over the back, knock people down, and you will be protected by officiating most of the time.

It has no place in the game - especially the women's game. The head of officials and the commissioner are ultimately responsible to get it controlled but seem intimated.

Yep.

 

[tycat947]

I got the impression something was said to the officials during halftime. No way to know for sure, but the game was called totally differently after the half.

In my opinion the big-12 officials are endangering the girls in the big-12 by being unwilling to stop the rough play we see from some teams. Baylor is rough. They hit and shove so much. They push people around. Force them to play within the rules. Get good position first. Don't get the ball, then start knocking people around to get your shot off. Lang was hit so hard in the face - by Cox who throws her arms around all the time - that her vision is damaged. That is why she did not play in the 2nd half. But the officials claim the air did it. Just like they did when McFarland had her jaw broken. "the air did it" then too apparently. How else can you explain broken jaws and damaged vision if you indicate there was no contact?

It is just a matter of time until a lawsuit is filed to get it under control. As happened to get the NFL to try to get some control.

Maddie has an injured knee because the refs would not get control of the game.

Teams have learned. Hit, push, shove, go over the back, knock people down, and you will be protected by officiating most of the time.

It has no place in the game - especially the women's game. The head of officials and the commissioner are ultimately responsible to get it controlled but seem intimated.

Good luck with that!

Officials have said multiple years that they were going to reduce the amount of rough play by calling fouls as fouls and we see how that has gone.

Also, tonight in the second half, Sulkey was on the court IN FRONT OF THE REF and he just moved her back and did not call a technical on her and thus disqualifying her for the rest of the game! It's pathetic they continue to allow this. It's even worse in the men's game.

 

[soonermom1000]

Well, Baylor shot 24/33 free throws to Texas 11/14......Do the math!!! I guess Kim's T helped. Big 12 refs are intimidated by her, and it shows when Baylor gets in the NCAA Tourney, and they can't make it past the Elite 8, cause they don't have big 12 refs helping them. The "no call" foul on Lang was ridiculous, and I knew right then, what the refs were doing. If that had happened to a Baylor girl, a foul WOULD have been called on that. If you watched the game, there were a LOT of "NO CALLS".......I wish the refs wouldn't decide these games....Why even bother to play the games????

 

[inoref]

Some how I'm not surprised by some of these posts..You want more fouls to be called but only on one team

 

[SoonerSpock]

Yeah. Like I'm the editor of the Washington Post who had Sally Jenkins write about Kim Mulkey, or the CEO of ESPN who had Michelle Voepel write about her recruiting tactics..

Those writers had a disagreement with Mulkey's recruiting tactics in the recruitment several years back. So Mulkey has now developed powers that let allows to intimidate ref, administration and media. Mulkey can intimidate only those that allow her to intimidate them.

Kara inference about not interviewing Kim at half was nothing more then her implying Mulkey would be all over her kids for their level of play. I'm sure Mulkey did "rake them over the coals" at half. And based on quality of their play in the second half it worked.

Would not be surprised if Jenkins and Voepel would vote for Mulkey for the Naismith HOF if they have a vote as a media member of the Honors Committee.

You can continue to be loud but Mulkey will continue to win championships, awards, honors, dominate on the court and muddle your minds whether we like it or not. Get over it!!!We need to root for our team to become better than Baylor's team on the basketball court. Consistently beat Kim's buttocks and she will be put in the place you want her to be. Otherwise we must grin and bear it.

Me I am going to be pragmatic and accept the reality she is going to be who she is, a very success WBB coach. Although I would like to see Sherri and/or Aston take Kim down a notch or two. But that job is up to Sherri and Karen. Hopefully both will succeed. Aston is making some inroads hopefully Sherri will soon.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Well, Baylor shot 24/33 free throws to Texas 11/14......Do the math!!! I guess Kim's T helped. Big 12 refs are intimidated by her, and it shows when Baylor gets in the NCAA Tourney, and they can't make it past the Elite 8, cause they don't have big 12 refs helping them. The "no call" foul on Lang was ridiculous, and I knew right then, what the refs were doing. If that had happened to a Baylor girl, a foul WOULD have been called on that. If you watched the game, there were a LOT of "NO CALLS".......I wish the refs wouldn't decide these games....Why even bother to play the games????

There is an easy explanation. Points in the paint: Baylor 36, Texas 20. Second chance points: Baylor 22, Texas 10. 3 point shooting: Baylor 0-1, Texas 6-16.

If you compare the two games:

Points in the paint:---First game: Texas +4---------Second game: Baylor + 16
2nd chance points:---First game: Texas +4---------Second game: Baylor + 12
Fast Break points:----First game: Texas +10--------Second game: Baylor + 3
Rebounds:-------------First game: Texas +1---------Second game: Baylor + 8
FG%:------------------First game: Texas +7.7%-----Second game: Baylor +7.4%
Bench points:---------First game: Texas +15--------Second game: Texas +4

Best team won both games.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Where was Lang?

The officials gave Baylor every chance. They were on the road, and the outshot Texas from the line 24 of 33 to 11 of 14? Really? LIke Baylor doesn't foul?

The loss of Jones may have actually helped Baylor. With Jones, they might not have used the one thing that worked---Brown, Brown, and more Brown. Jones was 0 for 4. Brown was 10 of 12 from the field, 15 of 16 from the line. Texas tends to have better guards than Baylor right now. Better off if the focus is on the interior.

No question the loss of Jones and Lang altered how the game was played but doubtful one could have projected the outcome had neither been injured. In the first game Baylor out scored Texas by 18 BTA while Texas beat Baylor by 4 in the paint. Last night Texas beat Baylor by 18 BTA while Baylor beat Texas by 16 in the paint.

I would say the transition in how the game was played due to injury might have been close to a push. Jones' loss was significant on the perimeter as was Lang's in the paint.

Net, net both teams had to make adjustments as required by personnel losses and Baylor won.

http://www.texassports.com/boxscore.aspx?path=wbball&id=9935

http://www.texassports.com/boxscore.aspx?path=wbball&id=9938

 

[Soonerbay]

That was a great game! One of the key components relative to success is passion. Passion shows up in different ways in different people. Some are more emotional, demonstrative and verbal (Mulkey, Geno and Aston is running right behind them). Others are cool as a cucumber while they're kicking your behind (Phil Jackson). It just depends on their personalities. But their consistent and diverse passion for the game is obvious.

No one enjoys it more than I when OU whoops Baylor, however, it has not occurred as often here of late. If there is the perfect storm, who knows what can happen on Senior Night...on any given day. You can hate on Mulkey all you want, but she gets the job done and clearly holds her staff and players accountable.

 

[SoonerinNC]

I don't like either team. It was hard to pick someone to win.

I went with Baylor for two reasons.

1) while the fouls called were in favor of Baylor there were at least 3 cases where Baylor got shafted on pretty obvious calls, particularly where the Baylor player got ran over from behind after a basket and got called for a foul. You usually get shafted in Austin.

2) Aston is a good recruiter but most Texas coaches appear to be great recruiters. But with all of those 5* players running around her teams alway fall short. I consider her along with the UCLA and North Carolina coaches the biggest waster of talent in the top levels of womens basketball.

Also I wanted Texas to lose so they would not win the conference outright. While I like how our team is performing lately they should never beat a team as loaded as Texas.

Baylor looked lost without Jones but did a good job of regrouping in the second half. They also looked like OU does at times on layups.

I'm concerned about us being able to handle Brown and Cox. They really dominated us in Waco. We will have to gang up on them and hope Baylor does not hit a lot of outside shots. That is where they really miss Jones. Also our outside shooters have to be on for us to beat them.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

I don't like either team. It was hard to pick someone to win.

I went with Baylor for two reasons.

1) while the fouls called were in favor of Baylor there were at least 3 cases where Baylor got shafted on pretty obvious calls, particularly where the Baylor player got ran over from behind after a basket and got called for a foul. You usually get shafted in Austin.

2) Aston is a good recruiter but most Texas coaches appear to be great recruiters. But with all of those 5* players running around her teams alway fall short. I consider her along with the UCLA and North Carolina coaches the biggest waster of talent in the top levels of womens basketball.

Also I wanted Texas to lose so they would not win the conference outright. While I like how our team is performing lately they should never beat a team as loaded as Texas.

Baylor looked lost without Jones but did a good job of regrouping in the second half. They also looked like OU does at times on layups.

I'm concerned about us being able to handle Brown and Cox. They really dominated us in Waco. We will have to gang up on them and hope Baylor does not hit a lot of outside shots. That is where they really miss Jones. Also our outside shooters have to be on for us to beat them.

Brown, cox, Cohen, Prince. They never seem to stop coming. Just give us one of them.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Brown, cox, Cohen, Prince. They never seem to stop coming. Just give us one of them.

It might be fortunate for us that Cox is only playing 15 minutes in conference games as I don't see us defensively handling Cox and Brown in a high/low post game with Maddie out. I don't think Dungee can handle Cox and her length defensively.

 

[inoref]

I didn't really care who won but that big girl from texas can flat out run the court (think her name is Holmes)

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

I didn't really care who won but that big girl from texas can flat out run the court (think her name is Holmes)

She had that one coast to coaster that was pretty impressive. Lots of athletes in that game last night.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

It might be fortunate for us that Cox is only playing 15 minutes in conference games as I don't see us defensively handling Cox and Brown in a high/low post game with Maddie out. I don't think Dungee can handle Cox and her length defensively.

i see plenty of match up issues against them. We've always had a problem with their interchangeable 6'2" athletes they seem to have an endless supply of. IMO cox would be a match up problem against our bigs too. Of course Brown is the real problem. I agree with Lawson. When she's in the ball should go through her every time.

 

[scrybe]

I don't like either team. It was hard to pick someone to win.

I went with Baylor for two reasons.

1) while the fouls called were in favor of Baylor there were at least 3 cases where Baylor got shafted on pretty obvious calls, particularly where the Baylor player got ran over from behind after a basket and got called for a foul. You usually get shafted in Austin.

2) Aston is a good recruiter but most Texas coaches appear to be great recruiters. But with all of those 5* players running around her teams alway fall short. I consider her along with the UCLA and North Carolina coaches the biggest waster of talent in the top levels of womens basketball.

Also I wanted Texas to lose so they would not win the conference outright. While I like how our team is performing lately they should never beat a team as loaded as Texas.

Baylor looked lost without Jones but did a good job of regrouping in the second half. They also looked like OU does at times on layups.

I'm concerned about us being able to handle Brown and Cox. They really dominated us in Waco. We will have to gang up on them and hope Baylor does not hit a lot of outside shots. That is where they really miss Jones. Also our outside shooters have to be on for us to beat them.

Agree wholeheartedly with the bolded part. Aston is a great recruiter, but average (at best) coach.

And I concede that Mulkey is a good basketball coach. But her success is more recruiting and intimidating players/officials than the Xs and Os. Remember how Sherri used to beat her consistently when the two teams had basically equal talent? Now, Mulkey is beating opponents by putting WNBA quality players on the court.

If Sherri can start signing a player or two like Cox or Brown every year, Baylor's days of dominating will come to a screeching halt.

 

[sybarite]

I don't like either team. It was hard to pick someone to win.

I went with Baylor for two reasons.

1) while the fouls called were in favor of Baylor there were at least 3 cases where Baylor got shafted on pretty obvious calls, particularly where the Baylor player got ran over from behind after a basket and got called for a foul. You usually get shafted in Austin.

2) Aston is a good recruiter but most Texas coaches appear to be great recruiters. But with all of those 5* players running around her teams alway fall short. I consider her along with the UCLA and North Carolina coaches the biggest waster of talent in the top levels of womens basketball.

Also I wanted Texas to lose so they would not win the conference outright. While I like how our team is performing lately they should never beat a team as loaded as Texas.

Baylor looked lost without Jones but did a good job of regrouping in the second half. They also looked like OU does at times on layups.

I'm concerned about us being able to handle Brown and Cox. They really dominated us in Waco. We will have to gang up on them and hope Baylor does not hit a lot of outside shots. That is where they really miss Jones. Also our outside shooters have to be on for us to beat them.

Texas doesn't win in Norman. There was a time when we didn't win in Ames, for no good reason. Mental block? Actually, we match up well with Texas.

In the first game, Atkins and Holmes hit everything they threw at the basket. But, that had not been their history. They were both about 40-45% shooters, instead of 65%. They just had hot nights. Last year, Maddie shut Atkins down in Norman. We had problems with Boyette and Davenport in Austin, and I don't know that Davenport ever scored against anyone else.

But, Texas has a bit of the same problem with Baylor that we do. They really have Holmes and Lang vs Brown, Mompremier, Cave, and Cox. It is athleticism vs tanks. If the officials let the tanks shove, it's difficult to overcome it with athleticism. Vivi is actually stronger than Lang and Holmes, but not quite the athlete.

But, I like Atkins, Shannon, and McCarty more than Jones, Prince, and Wallace. Baylor has three shooting guards and no point, although Jones is supposed to have been a point. Texas outquicked them in Waco and survived the interior with athleticism. In Austin, they permitted brute force.

We can match up with Texas pretty well at every position, despite the recruiting rankings. Where would you rank Vivi now? We have the same problems against Baylor that they do. We outplayed them in one quarter, only to lose it when they finally hit a couple of threes.

I think Sherri was right when she said we have a mental thing about Baylor. If you haven't beaten someone in a while, you get to thinking you never will. When Baylor won a title, we had an edge when Courtney came. She had never been second fiddle to anyone. So, she proceeded to lead us to three victories over Baylor as a freshman, a Baylor that still had Sophia and a couple of other starters. We need someone to overcome that mental edge. When we lost our faith, Baylor swamped us in the last three quarters. We quit doing right things right.

Without Maddie, we don't match up well at all. But, we might actually have Maddie.

I am more interested in the NCAAs. Maddie is supposed to be healthy by then (?). With the team playing well, the return of Maddie should get them over the top.

You don't know what will happen in the NCAAs. Usually, A&M and Baylor have underperformed a bit when officials didn't let them push and shove. They would get upset. I could see Texas advancing further than Baylor. With us, it's who we meet. I would love to meet a Pac Twelve or ACC opponent this year.