The mystery of Maddie Manning

[Sooners4Life0101]

What fundamentals does she not have to shoot a 15 foot jump shot?

Your not gonna average 15 points a game shooting jump shots all game, Norm.

Post game.
Slowing down.
Speeding up.
Attacking efficiently.
Pick and Roll.

She's gonna get it because she's its working on it. She always attacks out of a triple threat, I've seen her call for the ball in the post. She calls pick and roll she just needs to learn more variations, more counters, and to attack more efficiently- and most importantly more reps.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Maddie reminds me of Larry Bird in that she is not quick nor fast but moves efficiently therefore smoothly. I say again that all that is needed is that productivity be demanded of her and that she decide to play hard.

She's a strider, and a smooth one at that like you said- so she doesn't look that fast, but she'll blow by the fastest player on their team, then come down and lock them down on Defense. Thats really how you can tell she's a lot faster than it looks

 

[SoonerNorm]

Your not gonna average 15 points a game shooting jump shots all game, Norm.

Post game.
Slowing down.
Speeding up.
Attacking efficiently.
Pick and Roll.

She's gonna get it because she's its working on it. She always attacks out of a triple threat, I've seen her call for the ball in the post. She calls pick and roll she just needs to learn more variations, more counters, and to attack more efficiently- and most importantly more reps.

If she can't effectively shoot a midrange jump shot she will never be the all conference player you keep talking about. She can't shoot BTA and she isn't going to shoot enough layups to score 15 points per game. She better start shooting midrange jumpers or she will leave OU as a player who significantly underperformed her entire career.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

If she can't effectively shoot a midrange jump shot she will never be the all conference player you keep talking about. She can't shoot BTA and she isn't going to shoot enough layups to score 15 points per game. She better start shooting midrange jumpers or she will leave OU as a player who significantly underperformed her entire career.

Good God Norm, You are so dumb...

I know I'm talking about things a little more in depth than pass dribble shoot check the stat sheet. But there are fundamental reasons why she isn't scoring on a regular basis. Watch Breanna Stewart, she'll give you crash course on what I am talking about. Britney Martin got as good as she did, not from shooting 10000 shots a day like you probably think. She locked in on her fundamentals. Footwork. Changing speeds. learning to post. ball fakes. ect. Its not as simple as it seems, it takes a lot of work. Take Kobe for example, you think he just spends 8 hours a day taking 1 dribble pull ups? ha. NO he's working on his fundamentals- it takes hours and hours to develop. Stop commenting on things that you just don't have a clue about. Please.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

its not as simple as Im gonna learn to take 15 footers. The footwork has to be right, the setup to get there has to be right, the balance has to be right, you have to have counters otherwise they'll shut it down. You also need to be a threat from the outside so they guard you, which also requires good footwork, setups, counters to get good looks from there. Your pull up is gonna be better if your a threat to drive too, you have to have footwork, setups, counters for that- Its not just a 15 footer. You have to have an all around game. Maddie is working on that, but it takes time. I would say Breanna Stewart this season has just reached a point where her fundamentals have made her unguardable- and she's had 4 years with the best coaching staff in the nation teacher her, as well as 4 other players that you have to lock in on around her which makes her that much better. This stuff takes time. Lots of time. Thats how Buddy has gotten as good as he has, it takes TIME

 

[SoonerNorm]

Good God Norm, You are so dumb...

I know I'm talking about things a little more in depth than pass dribble shoot check the stat sheet. But there are fundamental reasons why she isn't scoring on a regular basis. Watch Breanna Stewart, she'll give you crash course on what I am talking about. Britney Martin got as good as she did, not from shooting 10000 shots a day like you probably think. She locked in on her fundamentals. Footwork. Changing speeds. learning to post. ball fakes. ect. Its not as simple as it seems, it takes a lot of work. Take Kobe for example, you think he just spends 8 hours a day taking 1 dribble pull ups? ha. NO he's working on his fundamentals- it takes hours and hours to develop. Stop commenting on things that you just don't have a clue about. Please.

Hahaha! What you are saying is just goofy. This is worse that you trying to explain your way out of pinning vs hooking. We have all seen Maddie use great fundamentals time and time again. She has a height advantage in most games. She has an athletic advantage. But, Maddie is not a scorer. Period. It doesn't have a darn thing to do with a lack of fundamentals. The problem is strictly between her ears.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Hahaha! What you are saying is just goofy. This is worse that you trying to explain your way out of pinning vs hooking. We have all seen Maddie use great fundamentals time and time again. She has a height advantage in most games. She has an athletic advantage. But, Maddie is not a scorer. Period. It doesn't have a darn thing to do with a lack of fundamentals. The problem is strictly between her ears.

You are an idiot that just doesn't know anything about basketball.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

"I was lucky to grow up in Italy at a time when basketball in America was getting f***** up with AAU shuffling players through on strength and athleticism. I missed all that, and instead I was taught extreme fundamentals: footwork, footwork, footwork, how to create space, how to handle the ball, how to protect the ball, how to shoot the ball. I wasn't the strongest kid at that camp. I wasn't the fastest. I wasn't the most athletic. I was probably the most skillful, but that didn't matter. It was all about the 360 windmill dunks".- Kobe

 

[SoonerNorm]

Let's see, according to you, Maddie is not fundamentally sound enough to be a scorer but she's a great player who will be an all-conference player. :ez-laugh:

Maybe ping pong is your specialty.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

KG working with Karl-Anthony Townes

-They linger most days after practice, because there is still so much to be done, so much to learn. One day the focus is on honing the prized elbow jumper; Garnett implores the rookie to take hundreds -- no, thousands -- of shots until it becomes second nature. The next day, it's pump fakes and misdirections that will provide Towns with a straight line to the basket. There are countless drills for footwork, including one Garnett invented that requires players to maneuver around shoes pointed at various angles to mimic the opponent's defensive position. "Attack the feet!" KG bellows, the line between mentor and coach graying by the instruction. "Attack the feet!" When Newton peeks in on these post-practice tutorials, he smiles. "School's in session," he says.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Let's see, according to you, Maddie is not fundamentally sound enough to be a scorer but she's a great player who will be an all-conference player. :ez-laugh:

Maybe ping pong is your specialty.

She's not sound enough to be a consistent scorer, in the same way Brittney Martin wasn't sound enough last season ether. But there is an ability there that is unlike everybody else's. She can go get 20 any given night if she's knocking down shots, but she needs to take the next step where it doesn't matter cause she get layups and get to the line. That takes work on fundamentals. Post game would be advisable as well which Ive seen her call for it down there, so she is probably working there as well.

Yeah- I think she'll be a threat for player of the year because she works on it and has the ability. She's not taking 8 dribbles and forcing a pull up- she's working on her fundamentals, its just not all the way there yet. Like I said at the beginning of the year.

And for the record that was not a hook by VV ether, buddy.

 

[soonermike22]

Is that the mistake Kelvin made with Ebi Ere during his slump his senior year? Did Cousins begin shooting better because Kruger 'put his foot down'?

Statements like that indicate that a coach, any coach, has more control over an individual players game than they actually have. Yes, a coach absolutely controls how many minutes a player plays, but that doesn't necessarily translate into improvement in their game. It might mean an improvement for the team if the person who gets those minutes plays better, but if they don't you don't gain anything.

Every coach has their own philosophy about how to handle players. Some jerk them from a game after one mistake. Others let them play through the mistake and learn on the fly. Some are drill sergeant tough. Some are unfailingly positive and supportive. Each tries to recruit players who will respond best to their philosophy.

Saying that a player would change if a coach just 'put his/her foot down' is remarkably simplistic. I don't believe coaching or people are that simple.

If you tell a player "your playing time will diminish if you do not shoot or block out or one specific thing" and follow thru with your command, that player will 99% if the time follow your instruction. It has to be a mental command-shoot when open or block out after every opponents shot- not a physical command-run faster or shoot better.

 

[j2d2]

I have never seen that Maddies footwork was any kind of a problem anywhere on the field and in any game situation. Part of her natural ability is that her feet are always where she wants them to be to do whatever she wants to do.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Ok well, When she comes back next yeast as one of the best players in the conference then we can have this convo again- because it'll be due to improved footwork, and fundamentals... Carry on.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

I want Maddie to be great because, the good Lord knows, we definitely need her in so many ways.

But, frankly, I'm getting a bit worn out by three years of this discussion.

Here's a closing thought for both sides:

Maddie hasn't been great or close to it since coming back. She's good sometimes, perhaps more of the time.

It's time for her next year to prove she's going to be great. Period.

If she does, we can go far.

If she plays like she has this year, and last, she's going to be remembered in the same breath as Kornet, Vining, and all the over-hyped players we've had on the roster the last 10 years.


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[soonermike22]

I want Maddie to be great because, the good Lord knows, we definitely need her in so many ways.

But, frankly, I'm getting a bit worn out by three years of this discussion.

Here's a closing thought for both sides:

Maddie hasn't been great or close to it since coming back. She's good sometimes, perhaps more of the time.

It's time for her next year to prove she's going to be great. Period.

If she does, we can go far.

If she plays like she has this year, and last, she's going to be remembered in the same breath as Kornet, Vining, and all the over-hyped players we've had on the roster the last 10 years.


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+1

 

[womenssports]

I find it hard to believe that, if Sherri had a come-to-Jesus- meeting with Maddie that Maddie couldnt be eucerd into shooting more.An arm twisting, butt kicking, desk pounding, in-your-face showdown. Followed by everyone else reinforcing the message, including players. The players need to be reminded to throw her the ball which they sometimes refuse (I said "refuse") to do. What gives?

I don't see it that way. "refuse" I just don't. Last year, I thought Maddie and Peyton and Gabbi seemed to throw more to each other....passing up Nicole and maybe Gioya. I didn't think it was a PERSONAL thing but more a comfort thing. I just haven't seen where they refused to throw to Maddie. Was she calling for it? Open? I believe these kids often make bad decisions but not with "intent."

 

[euphguy]

Injuries could very well be the cause of Maddie's inconsistency, but I doubt it. As humans, we are highly variable. However, I think that drive and determination is key to overcoming many of the obstacles. If Maddie had the mindset to score consistently throughout a game, her shot attempts (not necessarily makes) would increase. To me, the fact that it hasn't is indicative of more of a mental toughness issue rather than a physical one. I hope that her "senior" year is her shining moment. I would like to point out that Kaylon Williams had an ACL tear (yes one and not two like Maddie), yet no one seems to bring that up when they are talking smack about her performance this year. Hmmm...

 

[soonermike22]

Injuries could very well be the cause of Maddie's inconsistency, but I doubt it. As humans, we are highly variable. However, I think that drive and determination is key to overcoming many of the obstacles. If Maddie had the mindset to score consistently throughout a game, her shot attempts (not necessarily makes) would increase. To me, the fact that it hasn't is indicative of more of a mental toughness issue rather than a physical one. I hope that her "senior" year is her shining moment. I would like to point out that Kaylon Williams had an ACL tear (yes one and not two like Maddie), yet no one seems to bring that up when they are talking smack about her performance this year. Hmmm...

Achilles' tear, not acl.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

I don't recall. Was Maddie a big scorer in high school?