The NBA Playoffs/Thunder/Blake Thread

[152219]

The bad calls are overshadowing this. Clips could/should have won anyway if not for CP mistakes in the 4th qtr. After 1 TO in games 3 and 4 combined, he committed 5 in game 5.

And the fact that he and Crawford decided to try and milk the clock and hoist up garbage shots in the last 3 minutes of the game and not run the offense that had been working was beyond dumb. Run the offense around the high pick and roll with Griffin and create the spacing that was there all night.

 

[snydrosooner]

Surprised I finally saw the final sequence mentioned.

From ESPN

Which one? There were several controversial plays in the final 11 seconds alone. Reggie Jackson losing the ball out of bounds and OKC getting the ball back sticks out, but Chris Paul's phantom foul on Westbrook's 3-pointer and the non-call on the final play also were contentious.

Paul may have barely grazed Westbrook's arm, which if you are going to call that, then fine, but you have to call Jackson's hitting Paul's arm which sprung the ball loose on the final play.

The NBA is pretty consistent with calling a foul when the defenders hand hits a Shooters elbow on a long jump shot altough they do allow body contact at times GO Figure. Now you get within 10 feet of the basket that goes away completly. You could probably call that a fould on Reggie at the end, but that would not have been consistant with how the called the rest of the game. All you can ask is that they call it consistent even if its consistanly bad.

Chris Paul hit Westbrook so it was not a phantom foul, you can say it should have been a no call, but no phantom. On the drive to the bakset for Reggie when the controversial call happened Chris Paul grabbed reggie trying to get a foul as they had a foul to give, so if we want to go what ifs, we can add that one too. Thunder would have had the ball to inbound in about the same situation as they had it.

 

[steverocks35]

The flagrant foul on Russ was a ridiculous call and the 4 point play by Crawford was a terrible call.

/We could do this all day.

 

[steverocks35]

Surprised I finally saw the final sequence mentioned.

From ESPN

Which one? There were several controversial plays in the final 11 seconds alone. Reggie Jackson losing the ball out of bounds and OKC getting the ball back sticks out, but Chris Paul's phantom foul on Westbrook's 3-pointer and the non-call on the final play also were contentious.

Paul may have barely grazed Westbrook's arm, which if you are going to call that, then fine, but you have to call Jackson's hitting Paul's arm which sprung the ball loose on the final play.

You can't hit a guy on the elbow on a jumpshot and not expect it to get called, come on. If Reggie had hit Paul's elbow on a jumpshot I'd expect that to get called too.

 

[soonernutt]

And the fact that he and Crawford decided to try and milk the clock and hoist up garbage shots in the last 3 minutes of the game and not run the offense that had been working was beyond dumb. Run the offense around the high pick and roll with Griffin and create the spacing that was there all night.

I agree with this, for the most part. An NBA game isn't over until the whistle blows. You have to keep scoring to win. Even still, the Thunder needed a whole lot to happen, so I don't think it was too big of a deal for LA to slow it down and milk the clock. An offensive foul on a screen and a turnover at mid-court are things that you can't do in that situation. If you are going to run clock, you can't turn the ball over like that.

Regarding the "controversial" calls:

1) The reggie jackson play was as clear a foul as they come. The refs screwed up big-time by not calling it, and I think that is part of the reason they didn't overturn possession. They knew they screwed up, and someone was going to be mad either way, so why overturn the original call? Rivers can whine all he wants, but his guy got away with an obvious foul. If the refs had called it right, Jackson would have tied it up on the line anyway. The refs just gave the Clips another chance to get a stop and win the game, but Chris Paul blew that chance.

2) Chris Paul's 3-pt foul. You can't bump a jump-shooters elbow and ***** about it being a ticky-tack call. If the refs see it, they call it every time. Sometimes they don't see it, but that's a different story. Paul gambled, and it was stupid on his part to do so. Seemed pretty clear that he bumped the elbow, so don't blame the refs for making the call.

 

[steverocks35]

I agree with this, for the most part. An NBA game isn't over until the whistle blows. You have to keep scoring to win. Even still, the Thunder needed a whole lot to happen, so I don't think it was too big of a deal for LA to slow it down and milk the clock. An offensive foul on a screen and a turnover at mid-court are things that you can't do in that situation. If you are going to run clock, you can't turn the ball over like that.

Regarding the "controversial" calls:

1) The reggie jackson play was as clear a foul as they come. The refs screwed up big-time by not calling it, and I think that is part of the reason they didn't overturn possession. They knew they screwed up, and someone was going to be mad either way, so why overturn the original call? Rivers can whine all he wants, but his guy got away with an obvious foul. If the refs had called it right, Jackson would have tied it up on the line anyway. The refs just gave the Clips another chance to get a stop and win the game, but Chris Paul blew that chance.

2) Chris Paul's 3-pt foul. You can't bump a jump-shooters elbow and ***** about it being a ticky-tack call. If the refs see it, they call it every time. Sometimes they don't see it, but that's a different story. Paul gambled, and it was stupid on his part to do so. Seemed pretty clear that he bumped the elbow, so don't blame the refs for making the call.

Agreed.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

That may be the right call in the end. But that's not what the officials said. They basically said the replay wasn't conclusive.

that was according to Rivers.

But yeah, I have no faith that that is why the officials called it THunder ball.

 

[152219]

You can't hit a guy on the elbow on a jumpshot and not expect it to get called, come on. If Reggie had hit Paul's elbow on a jumpshot I'd expect that to get called too.

He may have barely grazed his elbow. And Jackson hitting Paul's arm is what popped the ball loose.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

People complain about Griffin pushing off, what about Westbrook just running into people on the drive and getting the And 1.

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I'm sorry but you might have not watched much of the game because Westbrook was a man going to the basket last night. Nearly everyother position he was going to the basket. And the majority of the time he didn't get a call.

I don't like the foul calls on 3 pointers but the players know how the refs are calling games. Hell crawford got a 4 point play with less contact than CP3 had on westbrook.

Last night, the thunder (more of westbrook) drove the ball all night. The clippers were the jump shooting team last night at the free throw disparity shows that.

 

[152219]

I agree with this, for the most part. An NBA game isn't over until the whistle blows. You have to keep scoring to win. Even still, the Thunder needed a whole lot to happen, so I don't think it was too big of a deal for LA to slow it down and milk the clock. An offensive foul on a screen and a turnover at mid-court are things that you can't do in that situation. If you are going to run clock, you can't turn the ball over like that.

Regarding the "controversial" calls:

1) The reggie jackson play was as clear a foul as they come. The refs screwed up big-time by not calling it, and I think that is part of the reason they didn't overturn possession. They knew they screwed up, and someone was going to be mad either way, so why overturn the original call? Rivers can whine all he wants, but his guy got away with an obvious foul. If the refs had called it right, Jackson would have tied it up on the line anyway. The refs just gave the Clips another chance to get a stop and win the game, but Chris Paul blew that chance.

2) Chris Paul's 3-pt foul. You can't bump a jump-shooters elbow and ***** about it being a ticky-tack call. If the refs see it, they call it every time. Sometimes they don't see it, but that's a different story. Paul gambled, and it was stupid on his part to do so. Seemed pretty clear that he bumped the elbow, so don't blame the refs for making the call.

1. It was a foul and should have been called as much.
2. I'm not sure he touched him. If he did, he barely grazed him. I am fine with that call if he touched him, but then you have to call the foul on the other end when Jackson fouled Paul that caused the ball to pop out. He didn't come close to getting the ball when he reached in.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

And people really think Reggie fould CP3 at the end? Maybe i need to look at it again but looked clean the few times I have watched it

 

[SoonerBounce13]

1. It was a foul and should have been called as much.
2. I'm not sure he touched him. If he did, he barely grazed him. I am fine with that call if he touched him, but then you have to call the foul on the other end when Jackson fouled Paul that caused the ball to pop out. He didn't come close to getting the ball when he reached in.

sorry man. it wasn't barely grazed. CP3's palm was flat against Westbrooks forearm

 

[WTSooner]

The flagrant foul on Russ was a ridiculous call

Nah, they got that one right. Can't hit the dude's head when he is in the air. I've definitely seen worse, but you have to call that one based on the rules.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Nah, they got that one right. Can't hit the dude's head when he is in the air. I've definitely seen worse, but you have to call that one based on the rules.

please

 

[152219]

sorry man. it wasn't barely grazed. CP3's palm was flat against Westbrooks forearm

If that was the case, Westbrook shoots an airball.

 

[snydrosooner]

Nah, they got that one right. Can't hit the dude's head when he is in the air. I've definitely seen worse, but you have to call that one based on the rules.

Per the annoucers last night it was called flagrent because he pushed down on the off shoulder that did not have the ball, thus not a play on the ball causing the flagrent foul. There was not hit to the head that caused the flagrent foul. Maybe contact was made, but not why the flagrent was called.

And I agree that it should have been called flagrent because I would want the a flagrent if it happened to durant or westbrook.

 

[snydrosooner]

If that was the case, Westbrook shoots an airball.

If CP3 won't say if he fouled him or not that usually means there was contact. I would assume in the interview he would have said that there was no contact if there was no contact. You can still take the high road like he did and say for example - I did not feel like I touched him, but I put myself in a position to get a fould called on me.

 

[152219]

If CP3 won't say if he fouled him or not that usually means there was contact. I would assume in the interview he would have said that there was no contact if there was no contact. You can still take the high road like he did and say for example - I did not feel like I touched him, but I put myself in a position to get a fould called on me.

Here is the quote I saw this morning (I went to bed and didn't watch his interview)

"You can't foul the 3-point shooter. That's the dumbest thing ever. Even if I didn't foul him."


Paul choked big time in the 4th quarter. 4 turnovers, bad fouls, missed too many wide open jumpers (although he did hit one), etc.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

If that was the case, Westbrook shoots an airball.

lol he did. I mean it hit the backboard but it was obvious the shot was affeted

 

[SoonerBounce13]

BTW go watch that last play and watch Blake the whole time. HOly hell what a block... just missing the pancake