The situation at Booker T

[DenverSooner]

I'm not saying he should lose his job, but if he did, it would be more than acceptable. He has a lot to make up to his team. He has a very talented team, probably one of the top two teams in the state. This sends a very bad message.

Horrible judgment by Seals but I have exercised that same horrible judgment on many occassions in the past. DUI is a very difficult thing in our society. Virtually all adult social functions involve drinking, we get to those functions by car and it is very easy to make this mistake. I am not saying it is right or justified. However, I do think many of us have made the mistake of driving after drinking too much but have simple been fortunate enough to not get caught.

 

[coolm]

is this a serious question?:facepalm

oh please.

I've seen everything from a teacher to a pastor with DUI's and it doesn't mean they are horrid people. It means they made a mistake.

It's not some crime of moral terpitude.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

oh please.

I've seen everything from a teacher to a pastor with DUI's and it doesn't mean they are horrid people. It means they made a mistake.

It's not some crime of moral terpitude.

never said it was.

but to brush it off as no big deal is dumb

 

[coolm]

never said it was.

but to brush it off as no big deal is dumb

no one said to brush it off.

it's the most expensive charge in the state of Oklahoma. Aside from massive attorney's fees it costs less to attempt to murder someone than to have a DUI. It is taken seriously by the system ... just sometimes not the defendant.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

no one said to brush it off.

it's the most expensive charge in the state of Oklahoma. Aside from massive attorney's fees it costs less to attempt to murder someone than to have a DUI. It is taken seriously by the system ... just sometimes not the defendant.

I think by not suspending someone, you are brushing it off

 

[coolm]

I think by not suspending someone, you are brushing it off

What about his church? Maybe they should make him sit in the back row?

Should his local convenience store charge him double now?

Perhaps the grocery store he uses should force him to buy old produce ?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

What about his church? Maybe they should make him sit in the back row?

Should his local convenience store charge him double now?

Perhaps the grocery store he uses should force him to buy old produce ?

seriously?

If you can't see the difference it isn't even worth discussing.

 

[Cheno]

seriously?

If you can't see the difference it isn't even worth discussing.

Then don't discuss it.
I wasn't brushing it off.
No one has answered the question of do all teachers in the state of Oklahoma get suspended if they get a DUI. My guess is no.

Denver & CoolM are spot on.

 

[Cheno]

I'm not saying he should lose his job, but if he did, it would be more than acceptable. He has a lot to make up to his team. He has a very talented team, probably one of the top two teams in the state. This sends a very bad message.

What does the talent level of his team have to do with anything??????
That's precisely my point. If he wasn't a former TU star, NBA player and head coach at a top high school in the state of Oklahoma this wouldn't be news and he wouldn't be suspended.
If he was a no name with an 0-18 team you think we'd be having this discussion? No.
The talent level of his team has nothing to do with this.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Then don't discuss it.
I wasn't brushing it off.
No one has answered the question of do all teachers in the state of Oklahoma get suspended if they get a DUI. My guess is no.

Denver & CoolM are spot on.

somebody posted a link of another story with a teacher getting suspended. I doubt there is a set ruling on it but I would assume that if my wife got a DUI, should would atleast be suspended and probably fired from teaching.

Its crazy to me that cool was trying to equate getting punished from working with kids to everyday things like grocery shopping.

 

[seniorsooner]

I honestly don't know what would happen if an everyday run of the mill teacher in Oklahoma were to get a DUI. I don't know what the consequences would be. I do know that when you are employed as a teacher and/or coach then it's a little bit different animal when you get a DUI than if you just have some job in the private sector. It's taken very seriously, as it should be.

 

[coolm]

well, I know exactly what happened when a few "everyday run of the mill" teachers got DUI's since I represented them.

In fact - I posted what happened to them in this thread. No jobs were lost, nor should they have been. They made a mistake. It happens to the best of us. I bet even Mother Teresa slipped up now and then.

If it's not a crime of moral terpitude then it's none of the employers' damn business. But, of course, there are contracts to consider (a union to boot) and we ARE an at will state.

 

[seniorsooner]

well, I know exactly what happened when a few "everyday run of the mill" teachers got DUI's since I represented them.

In fact - I posted what happened to them in this thread. No jobs were lost, nor should they have been. They made a mistake. It happens to the best of us. I bet even Mother Teresa slipped up now and then.

I'm not advocating any particular punishment or consequences for Seals, I was just making a statement. I did not know what the consequences would be for a teacher. Thank you for informing me.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

If it's not a crime of moral terpitude then it's none of the employers' damn business. But, of course, there are contracts to consider (a union to boot) and we ARE an at will state.

you have got to be kidding me.

 

[coolm]

I'm not advocating any particular punishment or consequences for Seals, I was just making a statement. I did not know what the consequences would be for a teacher. Thank you for informing me.

not saying that you were ... I just despise the whole idea of a society where if a person makes one mistake then they should be "thrown away" willy nilly with no thought to the fact that the 'offender' is a human too.

We sure cast a lot of stones in what is supposed to be a "Jesus friendly" country.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

not saying that you were ... I just despise the whole idea of a society where if a person makes one mistake then they should be "thrown away" willy nilly with no thought to the fact that the 'offender' is a human too.

nobody said through them away for a first offense. And why do you put offender in quotes?

Like it our not, a teacher should be held to a higher standard than most other professions. They are setting examples for children and young adults. Everybody makes mistakes, as you said, but most of our mistakes don't have the potential to cost people their lives.

We sure cast a lot of stones in what is supposed to be a "Jesus friendly" country.

yes, lets throw religion into it to get off topic

 

[p230]

There is one other thing to consider. If he has a CDL for driving the bus and if that is a requirement for his employment. If so and he looses it due to the DUI they might be fire him for being out of compliance with his stuff.
I don't think he should be treated different than other school employee's. Give him a chance to make it right. His students seeing what it takes to get over something like this might do them some good.

 

[coolm]

Like it our not, a teacher should be held to a higher standard than most other professions. They are setting examples for children and young adults. Everybody makes mistakes, as you said, but most of our mistakes don't have the potential to cost people their lives.

yes, lets throw religion into it to get off topic

1. the system would really be setting a fine example there. "make a mistake and you're toast" - not the message I want my kids to grow under. talk about stifling.

2. religion is there for the forgiveness, not to throw you off topic.

3. if the act was depraved then it's one thing ... having 4 beers instead of 2 is quite another. hence the "moral terpitude" exclusion.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

1. the system would really be setting a fine example there. "make a mistake and you're toast" - not the message I want my kids to grow under. talk about stifling.

2. religion is there for the forgiveness, not to throw you off topic.

3. if the act was depraved then it's one thing ... having 4 beers instead of 2 is quite another. hence the "moral terpitude" exclusion.

1.)i guess you missed my post were nobody said fire him for the first offense.

2.) Just b/c you are to be forgiven doesn't mean you shouldn't be justly punished. I think being suspended if just punishment for DUI

3.) I don't know why you are so stuck on morality. He put people's lives in danger. period. If you don't think an employer should be able to punish for that I don't know what to tell you.

 

[p230]

1.)3.) I don't know why you are so stuck on morality. He put people's lives in danger. period. If you don't think an employer should be able to punish for that I don't know what to tell you.

Employer's don't generally punish you for what you do on your own time. There are examples like failing drug tests and such but even then it is usually not one strike and you are out. State boards of licensure and the Justice system are the ones who need to punish him and I think they will. The hospital I work for would not suspend me for a DUI....the State Board of Pharmacy would be a WHOLE different story though and rightly so.