Third in Preseason Big 12 Coaches Vote

With our large, experienced senior class, it would be awesome if we could defy the odds and win a conference title. But I agree with the predictions. It's still Baylor's to lose, with Texas on their tails.

The Baylor women (and KU men) have a stranglehold on the conference, partly because they rarely drop games to teams in the lower tier of the Big 12. With all the skills and experience we have returning, we MUST sweep the bottom half of the league.
 
Sweetest OU Girl said:
This is an interesting collection of information. How many coaches rated us third? How many rated us lower?

In the history of the Big 12, how many WBB championships has Texas won(outright or tied)? Baylor? OU?

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArti...35&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211218395&DB_OEM_ID=10410
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I'll trust the wiki source today...easiest to find!

Texas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Longhorns_women's_basketball
2-Big 12 Championships
1-National Championship (was in the SWC in 1986)

Baylor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylor_Lady_Bears_basketball
7-Big 12 Championships
2-National Championships

OU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Sooners_women's_basketball
6-Big 12 Championships*
0-National Championships
 
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We are likely stuck with 2-3-4 place until we recruit better.
 
I could see anywhere from what we saw last year to a three-way tie for first.

I think we will be better after watching some of our players have lesser years.

Texas lost a couple of key players. Would Texas have beaten us last year without Boyette?

How much will Baylor miss Niya? They have talent. But, she made it work.
 
Conference Champs: OU 6 , Texas 2, BU 7
Tournament Champs: OU 4, Texas 1, BU 8
 
sybarite said:
I could see anywhere from what we saw last year to a three-way tie for first.



I think we will be better after watching some of our players have lesser years.



Texas lost a couple of key players. Would Texas have beaten us last year without Boyette?



How much will Baylor miss Niya? They have talent. But, she made it work.
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Syb, what would your evaluation be, if at the end of this upcoming, we have had a replay
of last season?

On players, coaches, recruiting and the state of the program.


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Oliver Hardy said:
Syb, what would your evaluation be, if at the end of this upcoming, we have had a replay
of last season?

On players, coaches, recruiting and the state of the program.


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Disappointment.
 
I'm not at all comfortable that we have a third place team and I am usually a glass half full person.
 
I agree, I think West VA and there style of play can pull off an upset and beat any team in the big 12... also Kansas looks to be much improved and are in on some of the top kids in 2017.
 
SoonerinNC said:
I'm not at all comfortable that we have a third place team and I am usually a glass half full person.
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So, we automatically finish third just because the coaches say so in their pre-season poll?
 
They had to put someone third..you can't go from 2nd to 4th....Third place would be a pretty darn good year for the program as it stands today.
 
How in the world is preseason ranking of 3rd a disappointment? I believe it is right about where we need to be. If we finish 3rd, there will be a good chance we will be a top 4 seed in the NCAA Tourn. and get to host. We always have to strive for first, but we just aren't there right now. Everyone is acting like we are finishing 7th every year in the Big 12.
 
zacj33 said:
How in the world is preseason ranking of 3rd a disappointment? I believe it is right about where we need to be. If we finish 3rd, there will be a good chance we will be a top 4 seed in the NCAA Tourn. and get to host. We always have to strive for first, but we just aren't there right now. Everyone is acting like we are finishing 7th every year in the Big 12.
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Agree.
 
We our senior-laden, but I personally do not believe we are talented, athletic, and well-coached enough to beat Baylor or Texas this year...not even in Norman. I hope I'm wrong!
 
zacj33 said:
How in the world is preseason ranking of 3rd a disappointment? I believe it is right about where we need to be. If we finish 3rd, there will be a good chat nce we will be a top 4 seed in the NCAA Tourn. and get to host. We always have to strive for first, but we just aren't there right now. Everyone is acting like we are finishing 7th every year in the Big 12.
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Nope some of us just are not content with not winning a conference regular season championship since 2009 nor a tournament championship since 2007. That obviously is not championship basketball going on 7 and 9 years respectively.

Sherri set the benchmark by winning 10 titles (winning/sharing 6 conference regular season championships and 4 tournament championships) 2000-2009. Unfortunately she has not been able to come close to maintaining that success having not won even 1 championship since.

It would be unrealistic to expect Sherri to maintain her early success given today's strength of the conference but it is also reasonable to expect more than no championships since 2009. Presently Sherri is underperforming. Period.
 
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SoonerSpock said:
Nope some of us just are not content with not winning a conference regular season championship since 2009 nor a tournament championship since 2007. That obviously is not championship basketball going on 7 and 9 years respectively.

Sherri set the benchmark by winning 10 titles (winning/sharing 6 conference regular season championships and 4 tournament championships) 2000-2009. Unfortunately she has not been able to come close to maintaining that success having not won even 1 championship since.

It would be unrealistic to expect Sherri to maintain her early success given today's strength of the conference but it is also reasonable to expect more than no championships since 2009. Presently Sherri is underperforming. Period.
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I agree with some of your points - especially re-stating our success at winning Big-12 championships over the years. And yes, we are all disappointed that we have not finished at the top lately. But even the slightest evaluation about all that happened explains a big part of the difference.

I am often puzzled by the lack of analytical ability of many of our members to even suggest our coaches cannot win championships. We all - once again - need to go back to the FACTS above about number of championships OU(6), Texas(a measly 2), and Baylor(7) have won. It absolutely cannot be true that our coaches are unable to win championships. That is simply silly.

One main thing that happened is one league team cheated (according to the NCAA) in recruiting and by doing so picked up a few players that led them to several conference championships. It appeared the NCAA was shocked to see that in WBB and so did not punish them as much as most programs - in other sports (especially men's sports) - typically have been. Yes, they were punished - but nothing like has commonly happened in football, men's BB, etc.

They are still living off that success - and may for just a bit longer. Before that cheating happened we were the most successful program in the conference.

This is not about bashing any conference school - it is just pointing out that if we had cheated - maybe paying players, buying cars for several, perhaps giving tens of thousands of dollars to parents - we could have probably gotten players we missed out on. I'm not claiming those exact violations occurred, but pointing that cheating absolutely can change recruiting. We have apparently stayed above that dishonesty - and it is in that environment we have had a harder time winning the title in recent years.

It is never completely clear where & when cheating in recruiting is happening. Is it still going on? We simply do not know. But hopefully not.
 
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