Third in Preseason Big 12 Coaches Vote

[SoonerSpock]

I agree with some of your points - especially re-stating our success at winning Big-12 championships over the years. And yes, we are all disappointed that we have not finished at the top lately. But even the slightest evaluation about all that happened explains a big part of the difference.

I am often puzzled by the lack of analytical ability of many of our members to even suggest our coaches cannot win championships. We all - once again - need to go back to the FACTS above about number of championships OU(6), Texas(a measly 2), and Baylor(7) have won. It absolutely cannot be true that our coaches are unable to win championships. That is simply silly.

One main thing that happened is one league team cheated (according to the NCAA) in recruiting and by doing so picked up a few players that led them to several conference championships. It appeared the NCAA was shocked to see that in WBB and so did not punish them as much as most programs - in other sports (especially men's sports) - typically have been. Yes, they were punished - but nothing like has commonly happened in football, men's BB, etc.

They are still living off that success - and may for just a bit longer. Before that cheating happened we were the most successful program in the conference.

This is not about bashing any conference school - it is just pointing out that if we had cheated - maybe paying players, buying cars for several, perhaps giving tens of thousands of dollars to parents - we could have probably gotten players we missed out on. I'm not claiming those exact violations occurred, but pointing that cheating absolutely can change recruiting. We have apparently stayed above that dishonesty - and it is in that environment we have had a harder time winning the title in recent years.

It is never completely clear where & when cheating in recruiting is happening. Is it still going on? We simply do not know. But hopefully not.

Get your head out of the sand. Baylor had a minor violation because she could not sit with the family of the other players on her daughters team. The NCAA punished Baylor and their coach.

The violation took place in 2008-09. The girls being recruited in the 2017 class were in the 5th/6th grade when the violations occurred. This kids are totally unaware of the incident unless reminded of same by Baylor opponents negative recruiting.

It is time for you to grow up look at the world and the Big 12 as it is not how you imagine it should be. All you need to do is look at the talent Sherri is bringing to Norman. There is not enough top talent to beat Baylor and soon to be Texas on a consistent basis. She has done a better job of recruiting the last two or three years but needs to get at least twice as many top kids as she is presently getting to stay on par with Baylor and Texas. With her player profile and absence of aggression that is not going to happen.

Unfortunately some here will not grasp where OU WBB is headed until we are having this conversation about the absence of championships for 13 and 15 years instead of 7 and 9 years.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Get your head out of the sand. Baylor had a minor violation because she could not sit with the family of the other players on her daughters team. The NCAA punished Baylor and their coach.

The violation took place in 2008-09. The girls being recruited in the 2017 class were in the 5th/6th grade when the violations occurred. This kids are totally unaware of the incident unless reminded of same by Baylor opponents negative recruiting.

It is time for you to grow up look at the world and the Big 12 as it is not how you imagine it should be. All you need to do is look at the talent Sherri is bringing to Norman. There is not enough top talent to beat Baylor and soon to be Texas on a consistent basis. She has done a better job of recruiting the last two or three years but needs to get at least twice as many top kids as she is presently getting to stay on par with Baylor and Texas. With her player profile and absence of aggression that is not going to happen.

Unfortunately some here will not grasp where OU WBB is headed until we are having this conversation about the absence of championships for 13 and 15 years instead of 7 and 9 years.

I'm just laughing at you SS. You were not there like some were.

What changed after the recruiting was over?

It is better to be informed about what you post rather than dreaming.

You may consider cheating in recruiting a "minor offense". The NCAA does not. Minor offenses are usually not punished. More serious violations are.

 

[sybarite]

Get your head out of the sand. Baylor had a minor violation because she could not sit with the family of the other players on her daughters team. The NCAA punished Baylor and their coach.

The violation took place in 2008-09. The girls being recruited in the 2017 class were in the 5th/6th grade when the violations occurred. This kids are totally unaware of the incident unless reminded of same by Baylor opponents negative recruiting.

It is time for you to grow up look at the world and the Big 12 as it is not how you imagine it should be. All you need to do is look at the talent Sherri is bringing to Norman. There is not enough top talent to beat Baylor and soon to be Texas on a consistent basis. She has done a better job of recruiting the last two or three years but needs to get at least twice as many top kids as she is presently getting to stay on par with Baylor and Texas. With her player profile and absence of aggression that is not going to happen.

Unfortunately some here will not grasp where OU WBB is headed until we are having this conversation about the absence of championships for 13 and 15 years instead of 7 and 9 years.

This would have a lot more significance if you and Norm hadn't been saying the same thing since before Texas began to rebuild and while we were beating Baylor with Courtney.

These were NOT minor violations. Compared to the weakness of the NCAA enforcement recently, these were harsh penalties. Please name all of the other universities and women's programs that have had negative articles written about them in the national press.

I will be disappointed if we do not compete well with Baylor and Texas this year. I think we have the talent to do so. Last year was frustrating since we didn't live up to what we should have expected. I will be waiting for this group to exhibit the talent that they occasionally show, like when they ran a highly-ranked Texas off the court.

 

[SoonerSpock]

This would have a lot more significance if you and Norm hadn't been saying the same thing since before Texas began to rebuild and while we were beating Baylor with Courtney.

These were NOT minor violations. Compared to the weakness of the NCAA enforcement recently, these were harsh penalties. Please name all of the other universities and women's programs that have had negative articles written about them in the national press.

I will be disappointed if we do not compete well with Baylor and Texas this year. I think we have the talent to do so. Last year was frustrating since we didn't live up to what we should have expected. I will be waiting for this group to exhibit the talent that they occasionally show, like when they ran a highly-ranked Texas off the court.

That's a damn lie!! I have never been anything but a supporter of the program as I now have had season tickets since moving to Norman 13 years ago and my butt is in the stands for every game including some road games. Which is before Courtney showed up in Norman. I did complain about Courtney's physical condition but nothing else ever mentioned by me was anything other than fact based on wins and losses. The absence of trophies in the trophy case for nearly a decade now indicates I have been right.

I don't give a damn about any other program or their violations. You want that information.. Obtain it yourself despite it not being pertinent to OU's performance on the court ever. But it is the rope you having been clinging to for nearly a decade as relative team performance continues to decline.

My only point then and my point now is that Sherri does a very poor job bringing top talent to Norman. She recruits one top player and Baylor recruits two. Now Texas is getting into the act and gets two as well. Without top talent that will compete with Baylor and now it appears Texas OU is not going to consistently win championships on the conference or the national level. An expectation standard Sherri set and promoted. The absence of trophies (3 with last in 2009) in the trophy case for the last decade now indicates I have been basically right.

I hope you are right and we win the conference this year but I do not see the talent at the same level as you do. I am more inclined to see this year's team battling with West Virginia for third place. I have nothing to base that assumption on other than the conference won lost record, returning talent and new talent coming onto the rosters of the top 4 teams. That and the skill of the coaching staffs and for certain we do not rank #1 there!! That honor belongs in Waco, TX and that it is not going to change. I think we will finish one rung lower on the ladder than projected by the coaches and I hope I am wrong as it would be something to build upon. Unfortunately with losing our senior class I foresee 2017-18 going forward as not positive. We need more Jane's and Judy's and Sherri is not signing enough of them!

Based on the coach's preseason all conference selections they seem to agree on the talent.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=211204789

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=211218395

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Big_12_Conference_champions

 

[Pike Pastor]

OK, Sweetest, I am trying hard to decipher your posts on this thread. The topic is OU picked third, which has led to people bemoaning that OU WBB hasn't hoisted a banner in quite a while. You suggest a reason for this....it's the lousy cheaters that have held OU back

This is not about bashing any conference school - it is just pointing out that if we had cheated - maybe paying players, buying cars for several, perhaps giving tens of thousands of dollars to parents - we could have probably gotten players we missed out on. I'm not claiming those exact violations occurred, but pointing that cheating absolutely can change recruiting. We have apparently stayed above that dishonesty - and it is in that environment we have had a harder time winning the title in recent years.

Let me get this straight: rival Big 12 schools have committed recruiting violations, and this has keptthe Sooners out of the winner's circle. Now you don't bash any particular school... yet you drift into reeling off a host of innuendo and suggestions--terrible stuff like paying players, paying parents, free cars...Of course there's not a scintilla of evidence or a WARRANT that any other Big 12 school indulged in these egregious violations....yet you end the paragraph by suggesting that an environment of graft and dishonesty among other schools contributed to our recent title drought... Which is it? Was there BU cheating beyond KM sitting with the Griners at AAU games and hiring D.McKinney as an assistant? Is K. Aston cutting corners in reeling in McDonalds All-Americans? Has any Big 12 school payed WBB players or not? You don't claim it has happened---you just suggest that this kind of tainted "environment" has suppressed OU's progress.
You go on to suggest others aren't as informed or as good an analyst as you. ?!?!?
Hey, you are a loyal, rabid Sooner fan and you want to see the tide shift and OU win titles again. So do I. But please don't cloud the issue by calling foul. I mean, you can if you want to, but there's no convincing evidence to make that a reasonable cause for OU's decline. As others before me have eloquently stated, OU will rise when they can win the recruiting battles for the J.Holmes, L.Cox, C.Patterson talents. It's the players. Not payola.

Heck, in a few days, Sherri and Co. will take the court and set about proving the coaches' poll wrong. Let's root them on toward that goal.

 

[sybarite]

This is not about bashing any conference school - it is just pointing out that if we had cheated - maybe paying players, buying cars for several, perhaps giving tens of thousands of dollars to parents - we could have probably gotten players we missed out on. I'm not claiming those exact violations occurred, but pointing that cheating absolutely can change recruiting. We have apparently stayed above that dishonesty - and it is in that environment we have had a harder time winning the title in recent years.

Let's go back to your post about conference titles:

Baylor 7 Oklahoma 6 Texas 2

Now, let's make it what it should be if the NCAA had acted responsibly.

Baylor 3 Oklahoma 6 Texas 2 with four up for grabs.

That entire recruiting class should have been treated as would any other class that has been recruited illegally. The NCAA indicated major violations. Then, they punished with a wet noodle.

Meanwhile, Texas has surpassed OU with all of these recruits exactly when? Two years ago, a highly-regarded Texas team finished a distant third to Baylor and OU after having an undefeated pre-conference run. What was it: 16-2, 13-5, 7-7? So, we compete with our mediocre recruiting, except with an illegally recruited team. As Jenkins and Voepel said, five of the top six Baylor players were on that AAU team.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Let's go back to your post about conference titles:

Baylor 7 Oklahoma 6 Texas 2

Now, let's make it what it should be if the NCAA had acted responsibly.

Baylor 3 Oklahoma 6 Texas 2 with four up for grabs.

That entire recruiting class should have been treated as would any other class that has been recruited illegally. The NCAA indicated major violations. Then, they punished with a wet noodle.

Meanwhile, Texas has surpassed OU with all of these recruits exactly when? Two years ago, a highly-regarded Texas team finished a distant third to Baylor and OU after having an undefeated pre-conference run. What was it: 16-2, 13-5, 7-7? So, we compete with our mediocre recruiting, except with an illegally recruited team. As Jenkins and Voepel said, five of the top six Baylor players were on that AAU team.

The world according to Syb is not being responsible. The conference count is as it should be. No where in my posts have I said that Texas has passed OU in the conference. What I implied was was Texas is beginning to recruit better and that better recruiting should result in Texas being the stronger program and a legitimate contender for Baylor.

Syb I have read your post on multiple boards for over a decade and it is for certain you do not have the ability to read and comprehend what is written. You only see what you think is written. Sorry you don't get to tell me what I said. It is over your head!

First Baylor has won tournament championship with legal players as declared by the NCAA not as perceived by Syb. Those are the rules we play by and the rules we will continue to play by. It is how the world works. You must comply or stick your head in the sand and moan and groan. God hope Sherri is not concerning herself with what transpired about nine years ago. If she is we are lost before we start.

Perhaps the Texas talent we have discussed is beginning to payoff for the whorns. Damn it. They finished the 2014 regular season in 6th place in the conference but beat 3rd place OU in the 2014 conference tournament quarterfinals. In 2015 the whorns finished 2nd in the regular season and second in the conference tournament. OU fell to 4th.

For the whorns one season does not a trend make. They need to do it again but with their continued addition to their talent base I think it is likely they will continue to get better. Wish I could say the same for the Sooners.

Grow up forget what Baylor did in 2008-2009. It is 2016 that we are living in today. The results of the past are in and finalized. No player from the past is involved with today. Baylor is better than OU and will consistently remain better than OU as long as Kim is their coach. She recruits better, she coaches better and she wins better. Sherri can accept that and fold or she can roll her sleeves up, toil with more earnest and get better or the situation will only get worse. I will be watching and hoping in LNC that she is successful. I just have my doubts.

I'll leave this topic get my honey do's done and have the last word. And I'll go watch the men's practice today and if the women are practicing at the same time, which they do about once a week, sneak a peek at the women's practice. Yep I watch the ladies practice a little too. The men a lot as their practices are open. Back to the real WWB site.

 

[j2d2]

Baylor typically recruits better than anyone else in the league. texass is recruiting better than we do and I expect that to begin to consistently show(I'm not convinced that they are better coached - I dont think so). Unless and until we recruit better I think we are doomed to 3rd or worse in the Big XII.

 

[Pike Pastor]

Dear Syb,
So you are the arbiter of deciding when the NCAA "acts responsibly" and when they fail WBB? Wow, they must be relieved to hear that in their offices...

Then you make this HUUUUUUGE leap that stiffer penalties would have logically meant BU couldn't recruit their talent and they simply COULD NOT have won their championships. Forget that they have a hellcat coach. (yeah, I know, you despise her...we've heard it before) For the last three years Nina Davis has torched OU and the Big 12, and she was ranked somewhere in the HoopGurlz low 40s--Kim knew she was something special and signed her.

Sorry, but your skewed view of things can't be substantiated. All stilted conjecture, IMHO. I admire your Crimson and Cream passion, though.

Let's forget about trying to rewrite history like the new NBC show "Timeless"
Let's look toward this year, this team, this challenge.

 

[got mulk??]

Syb only dwells in the past mainly events that happened nearly a decade ago. I'm surprised he hasn't mentioned Pam Bowers! Oh that's right it didn't matter then because we were not a winning program. It's so easy to poke at the top dog but maybe just try to step back into the present and realize that talent = WINS. Plus it also helps to have a coach that can bring out the very best in their players.

 

[sybarite]

Dear Syb,
So you are the arbiter of deciding when the NCAA "acts responsibly" and when they fail WBB? Wow, they must be relieved to hear that in their offices...

Then you make this HUUUUUUGE leap that stiffer penalties would have logically meant BU couldn't recruit their talent and they simply COULD NOT have won their championships. Forget that they have a hellcat coach. (yeah, I know, you despise her...we've heard it before) For the last three years Nina Davis has torched OU and the Big 12, and she was ranked somewhere in the HoopGurlz low 40s--Kim knew she was something special and signed her.

Sorry, but your skewed view of things can't be substantiated. All stilted conjecture, IMHO. I admire your Crimson and Cream passion, though.

Let's forget about trying to rewrite history like the new NBC show "Timeless"
Let's look toward this year, this team, this challenge.

Am I the only one? I might be. If so, I would be proud to stand alone against all things Mulkey and Baylor.

Strangely, I don't feel alone. Voepel and Jenkins didn't use their ESPN and Washington Post columns to denounce me. Louisville's coach didn't ridicule me for throwing my clothes on the floor. But, they did do that for Mulkey.

Do you really believe that the nation's women's basketball coaches respect Baylor or Mulkey? Is it more likely that Baylor is now what Notre Dame was in football for years, the team that every other school roots against. But, with Notre Dame, there was respect. With Baylor, there is contempt.

Tell me again. Which school is it that has an administration and athletic department that has such integrity that a coach and a university president found it necessary to resign?

We recently saw an episode in which college presidents stepped into the NCAA because of its failure to exhibit any responsibility in administering its authority. No, I do not respect them.

When I have seen attempts to find a new conference, I have yet to see any plan by any school that wanted Baylor to be a part of any future association.

Someone must have some agreement. But, then, I would also be proud to stand alone.

 

[tycat947]

Am I the only one? I might be. If so, I would be proud to stand alone against all things Mulkey and Baylor.

Strangely, I don't feel alone. Voepel and Jenkins didn't use their ESPN and Washington Post columns to denounce me. Louisville's coach didn't ridicule me for throwing my clothes on the floor. But, they did do that for Mulkey.

Do you really believe that the nation's women's basketball coaches respect Baylor or Mulkey? Is it more likely that Baylor is now what Notre Dame was in football for years, the team that every other school roots against. But, with Notre Dame, there was respect. With Baylor, there is contempt.

Tell me again. Which school is it that has an administration and athletic department that has such integrity that a coach and a university president found it necessary to resign?

We recently saw an episode in which college presidents stepped into the NCAA because of its failure to exhibit any responsibility in administering its authority. No, I do not respect them.

When I have seen attempts to find a new conference, I have yet to see any plan by any school that wanted Baylor to be a part of any future association.

Someone must have some agreement. But, then, I would also be proud to stand alone.

Don't forget Muffet!

http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/...basketball-star-Skylar-Diggins-173794721.html

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Dear Syb,
So you are the arbiter of deciding when the NCAA "acts responsibly" and when they fail WBB? Wow, they must be relieved to hear that in their offices...

Then you make this HUUUUUUGE leap that stiffer penalties would have logically meant BU couldn't recruit their talent and they simply COULD NOT have won their championships. Forget that they have a hellcat coach. (yeah, I know, you despise her...we've heard it before) For the last three years Nina Davis has torched OU and the Big 12, and she was ranked somewhere in the HoopGurlz low 40s--Kim knew she was something special and signed her.

Sorry, but your skewed view of things can't be substantiated. All stilted conjecture, IMHO. I admire your Crimson and Cream passion, though.

Let's forget about trying to rewrite history like the new NBC show "Timeless"
Let's look toward this year, this team, this challenge.

Some of our posters take all this far too personally. People can disagree without meaning it personally. Some think cheating is perfectly OK and has no impact on getting recruits. Others agree with the NCAA and conference that cheating needs to be controlled. It isn't personal. It is a difference of opinion.

I personally cannot think of any reason a school would cheat and violate rules - both athletic rules and societal rules (and laws) - if they did not think there was a compelling reason and value to it. I'm personally positive that cheating in recruiting has a likelihood of bringing in players you would otherwise not sign. Else you wouldn't do it.

If some love and respect cheating and schools who engage in it, so be it. It isn't personal. But it does not demonstrate good sportsmanship.

And I consider Mulkey a decent coach - but nothing that special. Without excellent players (both fairly recruited - and otherwise) she was less successful.

My main point has been that once a team breaks NCAA rules and suddenly starts winning - consistently - when that has not been their pattern previously, the violations very likely played a role. Most WBB coaches just do not want to go down that road.

 

[Pike Pastor]

I appreciate your words, Sweetest. Please count me in the column of people who abhor cheating.

And yet... Baylor's violations were in 2008-9, correct. And because they got off easy they recruited lights out and the Lady Bears started their streak of conference crowns and one natty....
But... BU won the Big One in 2005 with a team of scrappy players and one diamond in the rough who became a superstar... They beat THREE #1 seeds on the way. I believe their only HS AA (Jasmine Player) wrecked a knee and did not play that season. Sorry, but that was a dadgum great coaching job...
With far more talent Sherri and Co. couldn't punch through at the Final Four. People can vilify KM and her antics, but the woman can flat out coach....

 

[tycat947]

I appreciate your words, Sweetest. Please count me in the column of people who abhor cheating.

And yet... Baylor's violations were in 2008-9, correct. And because they got off easy they recruited lights out and the Lady Bears started their streak of conference crowns and one natty....
But... BU won the Big One in 2005 with a team of scrappy players and one diamond in the rough who became a superstar... They beat THREE #1 seeds on the way. I believe their only HS AA (Jasmine Player) wrecked a knee and did not play that season. Sorry, but that was a dadgum great coaching job...
With far more talent Sherri and Co. couldn't punch through at the Final Four. People can vilify KM and her antics, but the woman can flat out coach....

That was a great coaching job in 2005. But with Griner and Sims and all-star support players (that almost all of them from the same AAU team that KM was guilty of cheating), I can name quite a few coaches that would have won more than ONE NC with those stars (AND only 2 Final 4s!), Geno (goes without saying!), Muffet, Pat, Tara, probably Brenda Frese, Walz, and I even think Sherri could have matched the results Kim had with that all-star cast.

I will say that Kim is hands down the best stripper of all D1 coaches!

 

[Stringmusic]

The Baylor culture is 'win at any cost' - and that culture includes Baylor WBB. I will be the first to state that that is my opinion and not established fact.

 

[sybarite]

Let's deal with the idea that Baylor's violations were somehow acceptable since Mulkey was a mother. Examine her past.

When Griner blindsided Jo McFarland with an elbow in open court, Mulkey said she didn't see it.

When Griner broke a player's jaw, Mulkey's first response was that she didn't see it. She made no effort to do anything until it became obvious that it would be necessary.

When Williams pulled a player's hair, Mulkey didn't see it.

When Sims threw a punch, Mulkey didn't see it.

When player's left the bench during a fight, Mulkey didn't see it, or did an assistant coach who was one who also left the bench. The NCAA said nothing about what was an automatic suspension for leaving the bench. Why? Because it was in the NCAA tournament?

When Courtney was fouled while out of bounds, Mulkey said it was unintentional.

When Courtney was viciously elbowed time after time (Wabara), Mulkey didn't see it.

When she violated a rule about contact with potential recruits' parents, Kim thought it was acceptable since her daughter was on the team.

One incident---maybe. When you have multiple incidents throughout the years that Kim Mulkey never seems to see or think was a violation, it is a deliberate pattern.. Had the NCAA reviewed these things and acted upon the pattern, do you think Mulkey would still be in college sports? What is the next thing that she won't see? This, from a person who seems to be able to see the slightest touch of one of her players.

 

[Mac]

Let's deal with the idea that Baylor's violations were somehow acceptable since Mulkey was a mother. Examine her past.

When Griner blindsided Jo McFarland with an elbow in open court, Mulkey said she didn't see it.

When Griner broke a player's jaw, Mulkey's first response was that she didn't see it. She made no effort to do anything until it became obvious that it would be necessary.

When Williams pulled a player's hair, Mulkey didn't see it.

When Sims threw a punch, Mulkey didn't see it.

When player's left the bench during a fight, Mulkey didn't see it, or did an assistant coach who was one who also left the bench. The NCAA said nothing about what was an automatic suspension for leaving the bench. Why? Because it was in the NCAA tournament?

When Courtney was fouled while out of bounds, Mulkey said it was unintentional.

When Courtney was viciously elbowed time after time (Wabara), Mulkey didn't see it.

When she violated a rule about contact with potential recruits' parents, Kim thought it was acceptable since her daughter was on the team.

One incident---maybe. When you have multiple incidents throughout the years that Kim Mulkey never seems to see or think was a violation, it is a deliberate pattern.. Had the NCAA reviewed these things and acted upon the pattern, do you think Mulkey would still be in college sports? What is the next thing that she won't see? This, from a person who seems to be able to see the slightest touch of one of her players.

Even after all this Mulkey is still able to get top talent to Baylor... if it's thru cheating, I'm sure she'll be punished when the time is right.

 

[got mulk??]

Let's deal with the idea that Baylor's violations were somehow acceptable since Mulkey was a mother. Examine her past.

When Griner blindsided Jo McFarland with an elbow in open court, Mulkey said she didn't see it.

When Griner broke a player's jaw, Mulkey's first response was that she didn't see it. She made no effort to do anything until it became obvious that it would be necessary.

When Williams pulled a player's hair, Mulkey didn't see it.

When Sims threw a punch, Mulkey didn't see it.

When player's left the bench during a fight, Mulkey didn't see it, or did an assistant coach who was one who also left the bench. The NCAA said nothing about what was an automatic suspension for leaving the bench. Why? Because it was in the NCAA tournament?

When Courtney was fouled while out of bounds, Mulkey said it was unintentional.

When Courtney was viciously elbowed time after time (Wabara), Mulkey didn't see it.

When she violated a rule about contact with potential recruits' parents, Kim thought it was acceptable since her daughter was on the team.

One incident---maybe. When you have multiple incidents throughout the years that Kim Mulkey never seems to see or think was a violation, it is a deliberate pattern.. Had the NCAA reviewed these things and acted upon the pattern, do you think Mulkey would still be in college sports? What is the next thing that she won't see? This, from a person who seems to be able to see the slightest touch of one of her players.

Move on already it's 2016!! I know why you keep bringing up events from the past, because otherwise you would have absolutely NOTHING to say. Keep beating the dead horse

 

[sybarite]

Move on already it's 2016!! I know why you keep bringing up events from the past, because otherwise you would have absolutely NOTHING to say. Keep beating the dead horse

The past---like, it isn't happening at Baylor right now? This entire atmosphere of Baylor is the only place that would tolerate Mulkey.