Three Seed Competition

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The following teams are in competition for a 3 seed with us heading into conference tourney play. Marked those in red who I believe fall out of contention due to performance in conference tourney.

Maryland
ISU
OU
Baylor <-- terrible game against kansas
Notre Dame
Louisville <-- loss to North Carolina
North Carolina
Utah <-- other teams jumped ahead with wins
West Virginia <-- loss to Baylor

Northern Iowa might sneak into a 3 with their 30-3 record.
 
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I would like to see an all Big 12 3 seed line.
 
I would like to see an All Big XII final four. I know it is so improbable it is likely impossible but I like to dream.
 
pnkranger said:
The following teams are in competition for a 3 seed with us heading into conference tourney play.

Maryland
ISU
Baylor
Notre Dame
Louisville
North Carolina
Utah
West Virginia

Northern Iowa might sneak into a 3 with their 30-3 record.
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Maryland - I think they're a solid 3.

ISU - It's amazing how similar OU and ISU's resume's are right now. We're talking almost identical. The matchup Friday night could be big, although I think OU and ISU are likely both #3s.

Baylor - They've got a stronger RPI and SOS than OU right now, but not as many good wins. Of course, they also don't have any losses to RPI 100+.

Notre Dame - I just don't get why so many bracketologists have them at a 3. Their RPI is 25 and SOS is 91. They're only 5-3 vs. RPI top 50 and literally half their wins are vs. RPI 100+. They do have a strong record away from home.

Louisville - Their win vs. UVA is the only thing even keeping them in this conversation. Even with that, they're only 3-6 vs. the RPI top 50. They don't have any truly bad losses.

UNC - Very similar to Louisville (only 4-9 vs. RPI top 50, but no bad losses). Their SOS and RPI keep them in this conversation. A run in the ACC tournament could change things for either Louisville or UNC.

Utah - No way. Even if they win the Pac 12, there's no way they're a #3. They're 2-5 vs. RPI top 50 and those wins were vs. Wichita State and BYU before Christmas. They're more of a 5 (and keep an eye on the #12 they play) than a #3.

WVU - They've got a #5 resume right now (27 SOS, 20 RPI, 7-8 vs. RPI top 50, no real bad losses). The only way they have any sort of argument for a #3 is if they win it all in KC and even then, it's a very slim chance they'll get to the #3 line.

UNI - Again, no way. 22 of their 30 wins were vs. RPI 100+ (14 vs. RPI 200+). They're just 3-2 vs. RPI top 50 and they have no chance to improve.

The real interesting thing to watch is how much the committee weighs good wins vs. bad losses. If they value good wins the way recent committees have, I think OU is in good shape for a #3 provided they take care of business Thursday night.
 
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I would take UNC, Northern Iowa, and West Virginia off that list. None of those are getting a 3 seed. Utah has a very slim chance as well.

EDIT: As Zim mentioned, it's basically down to Maryland, ISU, OU, Baylor, Notre Dame, and Louisville. Probably in that order heading to the conference tourneys.
 
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On many s-curves that I've seen talked about, OU is anywhere from #9 to #11....meaning a solid 3 seed before the conference tournaments began.
 
UNI is the most overrated team of all time.. outside of their Wich st games.. there next two biggest games were against vcu (lost) then unranked VAtech...... then nothing but North Floridas and south Illinoises

They should be ranked like 30th at best..

Gonzaga blows too.. They play no one every year
 
hoopsaustin said:
UNI is the most overrated team of all time.. outside of their Wich st games.. there next two biggest games were against vcu (lost) then unranked VAtech...... then nothing but North Floridas and south Illinoises

They should be ranked like 30th at best..

Gonzaga blows too.. They play no one every year
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Gonzaga has a really solid lineup. Pangos and Bell have been there for like 9 years each. I wonder if they play down to their WCC competition, because those games shouldn't be nearly as competitive as they are.
 
They had a solid lineup with kelly olynik and others last year.. and they almost lost to a 16 seed for the first time ever.. think they won by like 4-5. They Will lose early
 
hoopsaustin said:
They had a solid lineup with kelly olynik and others last year.. and they almost lost to a 16 seed for the first time ever.. think they won by like 4-5. They Will lose early
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That was 2 years ago. Last year they beat aggie in the first round.
 
hoopsaustin said:
UNI is the most overrated team of all time.. outside of their Wich st games.. there next two biggest games were against vcu (lost) then unranked VAtech...... then nothing but North Floridas and south Illinoises

They should be ranked like 30th at best..

Gonzaga blows too.. They play no one every year
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The love given to teams like UNI every year drives me nuts. Pollsters and media members fall all over themselves trying to anoint the next great mid-major story. This allows a very average team like UNI to climb into the top 10 while farting the ball up and down the floor vs. the likes of Bradley, Drake and Missouri State. No one watches to actually confirm that they often look pretty average vs. generally bad competition. But who cares when you've got a great underdog story, right?

Luckily, the NCAA selection committee actually does watch and/or relies on objective criteria to select and seed teams. I really hope they don't reward UNI for their resume this year. The best they should get is a #5, and realistically, I think 6 is even more reasonable given the total crap competition they played all year.
 
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The love given to teams like UNI every year drives me nuts. Pollsters and media members fall all over themselves trying to anoint the next great mid-major story. This allows a very average team like UNI to climb into the top 10 while farting the ball up and down the floor vs. the likes of Bradley, Drake and Missouri State. No one watches to actually confirm that they often look pretty average vs. generally bad competition. But who cares when you've got a great underdog story, right?

Luckily, the NCAA selection committee actually does watch and/or relies on objective criteria to select and seed teams. I really hope they don't reward UNI for their resume this year. The best they should get is a #5, and realistically, I think 6 is even more reasonable given the total crap competition they played all year.
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Interestingly, KenPom and Sagarin have very different ideas about UNI. Pomeroy has them at #11 (right between OU and Baylor) while Sagarin ranks them 24th. Both are supposed to be adjusted for competition.
 
Zimwillett said:
The love given to teams like UNI every year drives me nuts. Pollsters and media members fall all over themselves trying to anoint the next great mid-major story. This allows a very average team like UNI to climb into the top 10 while farting the ball up and down the floor vs. the likes of Bradley, Drake and Missouri State. No one watches to actually confirm that they often look pretty average vs. generally bad competition. But who cares when you've got a great underdog story, right?

Luckily, the NCAA selection committee actually does watch and/or relies on objective criteria to select and seed teams. I really hope they don't reward UNI for their resume this year. The best they should get is a #5, and realistically, I think 6 is even more reasonable given the total crap competition they played all year.
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Thank you.. there's no way that UNI with their their schedule should be above a 5 and id give them like a 7-9
 
Zimwillett said:
The love given to teams like UNI every year drives me nuts. Pollsters and media members fall all over themselves trying to anoint the next great mid-major story. This allows a very average team like UNI to climb into the top 10 while farting the ball up and down the floor vs. the likes of Bradley, Drake and Missouri State. No one watches to actually confirm that they often look pretty average vs. generally bad competition. But who cares when you've got a great underdog story, right?

Luckily, the NCAA selection committee actually does watch and/or relies on objective criteria to select and seed teams. I really hope they don't reward UNI for their resume this year. The best they should get is a #5, and realistically, I think 6 is even more reasonable given the total crap competition they played all year.
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While I pretty much agree with everything you're saying, I think you've got to concede that UNI did pretty much beat up on those teams you mentioned. If they were not an appreciably better team than the ones they have been beating all season, I suspect their record would be somewhat more pedestrian.

I admit I haven't watched UNI play, but I would guess they would probably be about as good as the mid-level teams in the Big 12.
 
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