Three Seed Competition

[SoonerTraveler]

No matter the seed, nobody will like the fact that OU is in their bracket. The Sooners will be a tough out. (Kentucky excluded of course.)

 

[inoref]

No matter the seed, nobody will like the fact that OU is in their bracket. The Sooners will be a tough out. (Kentucky excluded of course.)

OU could be a tough out or they could go without a fight...have to wait and see.

 

[pnkranger]

OU could be a tough out or they could go without a fight...have to wait and see.

We have only been blown out twice in the last two years. We have made every other game close, win or lose. No one will want to play us early because we'll have a shot to win every game.

 

[bocabull]

OU could be a tough out or they could go without a fight...have to wait and see.

Don't see this. All of our 4 bad losses were down to the wire. We will be a tough out, but that will be little consolation if we are out early.

 

[bocabull]

The more I look the more I think the last #3 could very well go to Baylor. Their raw metrics (RPI and SOS) are better than OU's, they have a better record vs. the RPI to 25 and have no bad losses.

On OU's side of things, they have more top 50 wins. OU also finished ahead of Baylor in conference. This gave Baylor the opportunity to play and beat West Virginia in the conference tournament, which, in turn, boosted their RPI, SOS, and record vs. the RPI top 25. OU also has a slightly better record in the last 10 (7-3 vs. 6-4), but I'm not sure that matters much.

If it truly does come down between us and Baylor historically the committee would side with us based on conference standings as the tie breaker since we split head to head. Conference record ranks very high on their pecking order which is also why I think people are underestimating SMU seed. Especially since they undervalued the AAC so much last year. But Uconn could win and that argument becomes moot.

 

[Zimwillett]

If it truly does come down between us and Baylor historically the committee would side with us based on conference standings as the tie breaker since we split head to head. Conference record ranks very high on their pecking order which is also why I think people are underestimating SMU seed. Especially since they undervalued the AAC so much last year. But Uconn could win and that argument becomes moot.

I'm asking seriously, what is with your obsession with the AAC? They are the #8 (or 9 depending on where you look) conference RPI. They have more teams in the RPI 200+ than the RPI top 50. As an entire conference, they only had one win vs. the RPI top 25 (Temple over KU). On the whole, they were 4-22 vs. RPI top 50 teams outside their conference. A team you referred to as "pretty terrible" managed to finish second in the regular season. I'm really not trying to be rude. I honestly don't get it.

 

[bocabull]

How many wins does the Big XII have over top 25 RPI teams? 2.

Not sure where you get that I'm obsessed with the AAC. Because I remember the committee underestimating them last year?

Our results against KSU and OSU offer compelling evidence that RPI 45 and RPI 90 are virtually identical teams. I heard a member of the committee prominently mention record vs top 100 instead of top 50. If there was ever a case to provide evidence that top 50 record could be flukey it's us this year.

Somebody in this thread said if I didn't realize OU was better Michigan State it proved I was clueless. That's some funny stuff. Amazing the lack of national awareness homers in the Big XII have. OU is a top 30 team. So are 29 other teams including VCU and Dayton.

 

[Zimwillett]

How many wins does the Big XII have over top 25 RPI teams? 2.

Not sure where you get that I'm obsessed with the AAC. Because I remember the committee underestimating them last year?

Our results against KSU and OSU offer compelling evidence that RPI 45 and RPI 90 are virtually identical teams. I heard a member of the committee prominently mention record vs top 100 instead of top 50. If there was ever a case to provide evidence that top 50 record could be flukey it's us this year.

Somebody in this thread said if I didn't realize OU was better Michigan State it proved I was clueless. That's some funny stuff. Amazing the lack of national awareness homers in the Big XII have. OU is a top 30 team. So are 29 other teams including VCU and Dayton.

The Big 12 has 4 nonconference wins vs. RPI top 25, including vs. 3 teams you seem to really like (Michigan State, Arkansas, and Georgetown). Of course, the conference has 5 teams in the RPI top 25, meaning every team in the conference played, at a minimum, 8 games against that level of competition. The AAC is nowhere close to that kind of quality.

I agree on Michigan State. They are very good and peaking at the right time. I would not want OU to wind in a region with them. But their resume has some of the very same flaws (if not worse) you criticize OU for. Namely a 23-10 record, some really bad losses and 3 of their 4 RPI top 50 wins were against what you would describe as "marginal" teams with RPI rankings around 40.

Fair enough on the other stuff. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I think we'll find the committee disagrees on the majority of your assertions. SMU will probably get a #6 seed. Arkansas is probably a #5. VCU will be, at best a 7, and more likely an 8. Dayton could very well wind up a 10. OU will be seeded well ahead of all of these teams. You're free to disagree with that result, but this is the reality of how the people tasked with making these kinds of determinations will see it.

 

[Kswhitetail]

Launardi still has a 3 and baylor a 4. The thing that caught my eye was the way he had it set up is if texas knocked off providence then we would play texas if we beat uab. I know this is not gonna b how it will b set up but interesting

 

[bocabull]

They are favoring the major conferences even more than usual. Love our draw. Dayton is a little scary in Ohio but we should make it out. Couldn't ask for a better draw.

 

[coolm]

OU can only blame themselves if they dont make the second weekend.

 

[BanjoCharley]

OU can only blame themselves for their 3 seed:woot.

 

[bocabull]

So much for my record vs the top 100 thesis. lol Not sure where I dreamed that up but obviously they ignored it. It was all about top 50 wins and $$$$.

Now we'll see if there are tons of upsets because of bad seeding

 

[152219]

So much for my record vs the top 100 thesis. lol Not sure where I dreamed that up but obviously they ignored it. It was all about top 50 wins and $$$$.

Now we'll see if there are tons of upsets because of bad seeding

I told you.

It has always been about top 50 wins. They are the most important thing when comparing comparable teams.

 

[152219]

A top 50 team is thought to be a tourney team or at least a bubble team. No one cares about wins over the #95 team because that team has no shot at an at large.

 

[SoopaSooner]

boca being the devil's advocate as usual. Now watch as SMU gets destroyed by Iowa State.

 

[Zimwillett]

So much for my record vs the top 100 thesis. lol Not sure where I dreamed that up but obviously they ignored it. It was all about top 50 wins and $$$$.

Now we'll see if there are tons of upsets because of bad seeding

Haha. Keep up the good fight! Wins vs. the RPI top 50 has been a major factor in seeding for years. And for good reason. Those are the teams that, by and large, make up the tournament field. The record vs. the top 100 has literally never been something the committee focuses on.

I do think it's a bit of a joke that Texas, UCLA, and to a lesser extent, Indiana, got in and got in fairly easily. None of those teams did much to deserve it.