Tramel: New rules will make the game a beter product

[AdaSooner]

I don't like them either. It's going to slow the game down

True. Hopefully the players will adjust in time and the frequent whistles will follow suit.

I'm more concerned about the inconsistencies we'll see in the officiating. According to Big 12 director of officiating, Curtis Shaw, the conference is committed to these rules changes. I'll believe it when I see it at about the halfway mark of the season.

One thing is certain. This guy will be happy with the changes:

:ed

 

[BoulderSooner]

I don't like them either. It's going to slow the game down

only in the short term ... once teams adjust the game will speed up

 

[SoonerBounce13]

only in the short term ... once teams adjust the game will speed up

Why do you think this? At best I think it will be back to where we are now. This rule invites more foul calls. Even if players adjust, more fouls will be called

 

[NickZepp]

Early on I think we'll all hate it. There probably won't be many possessions without whistles at first.

But if this is a move to more NBA called games it may be good for OU in the long run because of how we've got a guard oriented program the last couple years. And these rules really help the guards and keep the lanes to the paint and really the paint in general a lot clearer leading to guards scoring a lot more.

 

[snydrosooner]

Any time less charges are called is a good thing. People slide in way to late and still get charges called.

But the area that most concerns me is when an offensive player forces or initates the contact and gets the benifit of the call. I see this happening under the new rules. I think if an offisive player initates the contact it should usually be a no call. Make the offensive player shy away from contact as much as the defense.

( I was at one time turned off on the NBA when Dallas Played the Heat as I saw a stretch in a game where Wade would jump into or dribble causing the contact with Dallas players that we not even between him and the goal and the refs were calling the fouls on Dallas - it almost became impossible to watch)

 

[campbest]

Why do you think this? At best I think it will be back to where we are now. This rule invites more foul calls. Even if players adjust, more fouls will be called

Players want to stay on the floor, in order to do so, they will adjust to how the game is being called.

Early going, it's going to be ugly but the flow will get better as the year goes on.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Players want to stay on the floor, in order to do so, they will adjust to how the game is being called.

Early going, it's going to be ugly but the flow will get better as the year goes on.

I fail to see how allowing less contact is going to increase the flow? It's the reverse...allowing more contact will increase the flow

by flow I mean less stoppage

 

[campbest]

I fail to see how allowing less contact is going to increase the flow? It's the reverse...allowing more contact will increase the flow

by flow I mean less stoppage

There probably will be more stoppage, until the players adjust.

This rule is coming straight from the coaches and ADs, so blame Lon and Castiglione.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

There probably will be more stoppage, until the players adjust.

This rule is coming straight from the coaches and ADs, so blame Lon and Castiglione.

I'm not blaming anyone...just don't get the talk about it speeding the game up. When players adjust, the speed will be where it is now b/c players have adjusted to the current rules.

 

[MJSooner]

I like the emphasis on eliminating the hand checks and arm jabs on the perimeter. Teams like Kansas and Duke, and when Bob Knight coached, has done this for years and it creates a distinct advantage for the defense on perimeter guard play.

The one rule I would rather see changed more than the block/charge call is the offensive guard bumping or initiating contact than exaggerating the contact to get a whistle on the defender. When DJ Augustine and Jason Sutherland played, I thought it was extreme...and then came Marcus Smart. This is becoming a huge problem in basketball and interrupts play as much as anything else. Thanks LeBron.

 

[skyvue]

The one rule I would rather see changed more than the block/charge call is the offensive guard bumping or initiating contact than exaggerating the contact to get a whistle on the defender.

I'm with you, though I see no need to make it either/or. I"m in favor of both changes.

 

[AdaSooner]

The one rule I would rather see changed more than the block/charge call is the offensive guard bumping or initiating contact than exaggerating the contact to get a whistle on the defender. When DJ Augustine and Jason Sutherland played, I thought it was extreme...and then came Marcus Smart. This is becoming a huge problem in basketball and interrupts play as much as anything else.

If I'm interpreting what I've read correctly, the scenario you referenced is being addressed in these rules. In part, a new approach to calling the block/charge (see quotes below) should make it harder for a defender to get a call the way Smart did last year.

Even Travis Ford is convinced that "you cannot touch an offensive player when he is facing the rim." He said in a video interview associated with this article that Curtis Shaw told him in no uncertain terms, that if a defender even touches an offensive player with the tip of his finger when he is facing the rim, a foul will be called.

For a secondary defender to draw a charge, he must be in place when the ballhandler starts his upward motion. In the past, the secondary defender merely had to be in place before the ballhandler left his feet.

Shaw said the latter rule broadens the time referees have to make the charge/block judgment. Perhaps an extra second or more. Shaw estimates that that rule alone would move the block/charge ratio from 50-50 to 95-5 percent.
Shaw said the result of the rule changes will be an increased freedom of movement for the offense. “It allows teams to get the ball down the floor without being physically harassed,” Shaw said.

Read the entire article and listen to the interview, and you'll see what I mean. I can't recall a time, ever, when Big 12 officials have been so adamant about a change in the way games will be called, not only this year but in the years to come. They're doing it to bring offense back to the forefront in college basketball. Will the officiating be consistent? Will it continue over the long haul as this article suggests? Time will tell I suppose.

 

[BoulderSooner]

I'm not blaming anyone...just don't get the talk about it speeding the game up. When players adjust, the speed will be where it is now b/c players have adjusted to the current rules.

when the players ajust the game will have less contact than it does not .. it will flow better .. freedom of movement will be better .. ect ..

 

[DenverSooner]

My only reservation is that the game is constantly and continuously interrupted with whistles now. Apparently going 10 seconds without a whistle is going to be rare even with teams attempting to play within the rules.

Not for long if the officials actually do what they say. Foul out a bunch of kids with them getting 3 in the first 10 minutes, 1 in the first 2 minutes of the second and 1 at the 10 minute mark when they come back in and behavior will change quickly. You just have to be very consistent and not give a damn if it is Marcus Smart or Fraschilla you are following out.

Call it like they did in the 80s.

I wonder if Kruger knew this was coming. He has been pushing for an uptempo team. That style should benefit from these rule changes.

 

[DenverSooner]

I fail to see how allowing less contact is going to increase the flow? It's the reverse...allowing more contact will increase the flow

by flow I mean less stoppage

They are going to shift the advantage from the defensive player to the offensive player. This will increase scoring on both ends of the court.

 

[campbest]

I'm not blaming anyone...just don't get the talk about it speeding the game up. When players adjust, the speed will be where it is now b/c players have adjusted to the current rules.

No it won't, because freedom of movement will be more prevalent.

 

[AdaSooner]

They are going to shift the advantage from the defensive player to the offensive player. This will increase scoring on both ends of the court.

Exactly! School administrators and conference executives want to see the game return to the way it was meant to be played. Limiting the defensive player's impact on the game, and thereby increasing the scoring, are at the center of these changes.

I appreciate great defense as much as anyone. But the physical play via hand checking, grabbing, bumping a player off of his shot, subtle and not-so-subtle forearms, etc., etc. have gotten progressively worse for two decades or more. I'm all for these changes if defensive players who tend to bend the rules are brought under control again by limiting the advantage they have enjoyed at the expense of offensive players.

 

[sacsoonerfan]

I'm with you on that. Non conference games could be called different than conference games. But, I'll say this. The officials were in last week to explain the rule changes to the players. Then they scrimmaged and called it the way they explained it.

Then thru the past week when they practiced, assistants were whistling fouls to the rule change. The refs were back yesterday to officiate the scrimmage and were calling fouls to the rule change.

I don't know how it will play out. But, we have the athletes and length to defend well under any type of rules.

Well? How did the team react? What did they say about how it would change the game?

 

[garyeb2]

Well? How did the team react? What did they say about how it would change the game?

Kruger has a good group of kids that seem committed to playing defense. He teaches every day and they learn.

He is spending a lot of time positioning them to where if they get beat they get beat into help or the baseline. Stuff like that.

Woodard is a guy that has gotten better in every phase of the game every day. But especially on defense. Back in the summer he just flat out couldn't guard Hornbeak. He is so much better now. I did ask him to what he contributed this big improvement. He said "I'm getting into a defensive posture and staying in it. I'm moving better laterally. I quit gambling."

In other words, he is accepted coaching. I think that is what they are all doing.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Kruger has a good group of kids that seem committed to playing defense. He teaches every day and they learn.

He is spending a lot of time positioning them to where if they get beat they get beat into help or the baseline. Stuff like that.

Woodard is a guy that has gotten better in every phase of the game every day. But especially on defense. Back in the summer he just flat out couldn't guard Hornbeak. He is so much better now. I did ask him to what he contributed this big improvement. He said "I'm getting into a defensive posture and staying in it. I'm moving better laterally. I quit gambling."

In other words, he is accepted coaching. I think that is what they are all doing.

Good for him. I'm impressed that he did this before he's even played in a game. Some kids try to do it 'their way' for a year or more before they figure it out.