At least early in last year his 3 point shooting had very much improved. His defense last year was also better than freshmen year. Moser deserves some credit. I think late in season he wore out and was rushing to much because of that.
His Big 12 season last year was worse than how he played in the conference as a freshman. His conference numbers were scary bad.
The irony of you calling anyone stupid is probably lost on you. I sure hope your high school doesn’t have you teaching any classes as a side job.
Which is why I think it is silly to make conclusions already this early in the season.
As the year progressed, it seemed like, more than anything, he had a BAD case of the yips. His confidence was shot and it was evident how down he got during games when he missed a shot or turned over the ball. Don't think it was anything physical or exhaustion, just mental.
Tanner put up worse numbers as a senior in the following categories: pts, FG%, 3-pt FG%, effective FG%, FT%, and assists, despite a slight increase in playing time.
I am pretty sure I have shown this a few times, I will dig up my spreadsheet to show improvements: More improved than not from transferring in.
This is such a clown and lazy a$$ response. SO you're saying in the 3-4 months that Oweh has been at Kentucky, he has all the sudden learned how to dribble, make lay-ups and hit 3's?? Give me a effin break. ALL players typically improve year over year. Oweh showed great strides between his freshman and soph years and had he stayed...he would have shown some type of improvement this year as well. Let's not forget, he started off on fire last year too, before he faded away during conference play. We all know he isn't a great outside shooter...so if you want to deem his as a savior at Kentucky after 3 games, go right ahead. You just can't resist to take any pot shot at Moser and it obvious daily with your clown responses on here. Oweh struggled to finish at the rim in conference play last year. Please tell me what magic formula Pope has for players to simply make wide open layups?? His 3 pt shot quickly faded, because he simply isn't a great shooter...and I would bet a paycheck his numbers show that again this season at some point.
| Player | Before OU | Last OU | Plus/Minus |
| Rivaldo Soares | 41.2 | 63.7 | 22.5 |
| Jalon Moore | 42 | 61.2 | 19.2 |
| Yaya Keita | 23.4 | 41.1 | 17.7 |
| John Hugley IV | 44 | 57.9 | 13.9 |
| Javian McCollum | 45.6 | 52.9 | 7.3 |
| Jordan Goldwire | 45.5 | 52.1 | 6.6 |
| Ethan Chargois | 47 | 51.2 | 4.2 |
| Sam Godwin | 54.9 | 58.1 | 3.2 |
| Marvin Johnson | 40.8 | 41.5 | 0.7 |
| Grant Sherfield | 56.2 | 55.4 | -0.8 |
| Jacob Groves | 50.8 | 45.7 | -5.1 |
| Tanner Groves | 66.7 | 60.3 | -6.4 |
| Joseph Bamisile | 47.4 | 37.3 | -10.1 |
| Le'Tre Darthard | 55.5 | 42.1 | -13.4 |
| Who | Year 1 | Year 2 | Year 3 | AFTER |
| Cortes | 38.6 | 38.1 | | 30.6 |
| Noland | 50 | 30.7 | | |
| Harkless | 47 | 46.8 | | 65.2 |
| J. Groves | 40.8 | 45.7 | ? | |
| Hill | 58.8 | 58.8 | 53.8 | 58.9 |
| Uzan | 46 | 44.3 | ? | |
| Oweh | 41.6 | 54.6 | ? | |
| Godwin | 61 | 58.1 | ||
| T. Groves | 74.1 | 64.1 | 60.3 | N/A |
| Gibson | 50.3 | 58.2 | | 61.9 |
To Moser’s credit he did improve from his FR year (late in his FR year which is a fair critique) until conference play last season.
But what metric are you using? I go off Sports Reference, which shows not only counting stats, but per 40 minutes, per 100 possessions, and advanced metrics. All in all, we see very few guys who have made meaningful improvement. If guys are barely improving, staying the same, or slightly regressing, we have no chance to get better as a team. If the folks who constantly point to NIL as an excuse for our results are right, then it is even more important that the handful of guys who stick around get a lot better. Full credit to Moser for Moore and Soares last season. They were far better than before OU and far better than I expected. But we need to start developing the guys who sign with us out of high school.
Lol, I’m glad you support the program & you get a hard time for legitimate points but this type of response is why I have trouble taking you seriously.
I didn't criticize. I asked him a question. I guess your opinion is that his one-number data point is somehow better than one of the leading websites that shows numerous advanced stats? I love TEvans posts, just trying to figure out how he goes about boiling a player's value into a single number.
I typically skim KP and CBBAnalytics.com for messing around with stuff on my own (I should add Torvik but default mainly to CBBAnalytics because of the visualizations) but TBH I just value people who post their work instead of cryptic references to per 40m values from “sports reference” & expect the same level of deference in the points they’re trying to make with data.
Again, I’m not criticizing his work. I’m simply asking how he does it.
You don't think Jalon Moore has gotten significantly better since his days at GT? He has gone from averaging 7 ppg to 11 last year, to 22 ppg this year. Oweh improved a bunch from his F to S years. Soares was much better last year than he was at Oregon. Godwin has gotten better each year. Jalen Hill improved under Moser. The Groves brothers are what they are. They were never going to develop into all-conf type players.
To answer your specific question (bolded so we can stick to the question) IMO Oweh (but needed a reset TBC), Godwin, Soares, & Moore all improved.
Did you read? I said guys he has coached multiple years and specifically mentioned high school recruits. He coached Soares for one year, and I gave him credit for Soares two or three posts back. Moore is two games into his second season. We will see how much he improves, I hope he bucks the trend. Oweh absolutely did not improve. He was playing worse basketball in Feb and March of 2024 than he was in Feb and March of 2023. Godwin's gotten a bit better but hasn't expanded his game -- for all the talk about his shooting in scrimmages and practice, we have seen zero evidence of that in games. And I didn't say Tanner and Jacob should have been all conference players. I think that it would have been reasonable to expect both to improve once they had a full season in the Big 12 under their belts.
Again, he didn't coach Soares multiple years. Moore is two games into his second year. Oweh improved against a collection of directional schools and then hit rock bottom.
