Tulsa World story on M'Baye

[Boomah]

It's a premium story. Anything interesting in there or just stuff we've heard before?

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...ctid=92&articleid=20120310_92_B4_CUTLIN171413

 

[BoulderSooner]

not premium i jsut read it ... best part are the quotes from M'Baye and Grooms

M'Baye likes playing outside and found that he can guard the wings and PG's

grooms said that he is almost 6'10 and can guard everyone and he can't wait to play with him next season

 

[bocabull]

Good news he can play the wing. From a defensive perspective I would love to see Grooms, Clark & M'Baye at guard/wing. But Clark will really need to get his stroke going or we have to play Pledger in front of him for offense.

 

[WTSooner]

From a defensive perspective I would love to see Grooms, Clark & M'Baye at guard/wing.

:facepalm

 

[seniorsooner]

Clark is not a guard. I'm not sure why that is so hard for some people to understand.

 

[CoachTalk]

Pledge will start boca.... Cam is NOT a 2... and NEVER will be...

 

[bocabull]

I remember Clark guarding Alec Burks doing a great job. I said "for defensive purposes".

 

[bocabull]

We don't have a stud scoring all around guard. If we are going to improve next year doing it with defense is our best shot.

 

[garyeb2]

Depending on which player Kruger thinks is the greatest liability, M'baye will replace either Fitz or Cam in the starting lineup. He is perfectly capable of doing either. The team will be better which ever way it goes. And in all probability he will rotate between the two depending on whoever else is in the game at the time.

 

[cowboysooner]

I agree with Gary on MBuye. I think he will get 30 minutes and Fitz and Cam will lose some minutes. I think everyone will see that Mbuye is our best player next year.

I don't think he is the key to our having a radically different and improved team. We need a second reliable perimeter player and a consistent insider scorer/option. I think the key will be Osby making "ace mcgee" like progress from his junior to senior year and, particularly, Grooms making "Q. White" like progress at point. Grooms does everything pretty well except score the ball. White was poor his junior season and really became a consistent player by the time the next year was over. If he hadn't gotten hurt, I still think we win the title.

Since grooms will be playing the point, he needs to be the one that develops a reliable outside shot. If not, we need someone else to be a reliable outside threat (and of course good enough otherwise to get on the court). I don't know enough about the freshman to know what to expect.

With our last two schollies, I would hope Lon can find a good and legit post (legit 6-9) and a legit perimeter shooter. If he can't find either of these two things, then I say save the schollies until the next year.

 

[WTSooner]

White was poor his junior season and really became a consistent player by the time the next year was over.

What? White was the starting pg on a Final Four team his junior season. And if you look at his junior/senior years side by side, they are nearly identical. He shot the 3 about 5% better his senior year. The dude was so consistent, he took and made the same number of 2 point FG's each year (he actually took ONE more shot his senior year). Grooms is nowhere near the pg that White was, and that won't change next year.

If he can't find either of these two things, then I say save the schollies until the next year.

Sounds good in theory, but we're already going to have 6 or so scholarships for 2013. No way we'll be able to fill 8 for that class. Hopefully LK can use them this year.

 

[skyvue]

Grooms is nowhere near the pg that White was, and that won't change next year.

Most of the stats from their respective first seasons in crimson and cream are very close. The only place there's a stark difference (and it's a big one, I'll admit) is in shooting percentage, especially from 3pt range, but even with that advantage, QW averaged less than a point per game more than SG. And if you throw in the assists as points contributed to, Sam comes out ahead.

As for your pronouncement that Sam won't improve next season, that's just silly. Maybe he will and maybe he won't, but neither you nor I can predict the future.

Games played
QW: 36
SG: 31

Minutes
QW: 1,076, 30 per
SG: 978, 32 per

FGs
QW: 97-217 45%
SG: 72-206 35%

3pt FGs
QW: 31-76
SG: 8-40

FTs
QW: 52-76, 68%
SG: 55-83, 66%

Rebounds
QW: 98, 2.7 per
SG: 92, 2.9 per

Assts
QW: 169, 4.7 per
SG: 185, 6 per

TO
QW: 69, 1.9 per
SG: 65, 2.1 per

Steals
QW: 47, 1.3 per
SG: 28, .9 per

Blocks
QW: 5
SG: 2

Pts
QW: 275, 7.6 per
SG: 207, 6.7 per

 

[WTSooner]

Most of the stats from their respective first seasons in crimson and cream are very close. The only place there's a stark difference (and it's a big one, I'll admit) is in shooting percentage, especially from 3pt range, but even with that advantage, QW averaged less than a point per game more than SG. And if you throw in the assists as points contributed to, Sam comes out ahead.

As for your pronouncement that Sam won't improve next season, that's just silly. Maybe he will and maybe he won't, but neither you nor I can predict the future.

You can't always just list some stats, especially counting stats, and call it a day. Different roles. Different teammates. Different styles of play. Different paces for the teams. The list goes on and on.

The simple fact is, White shot the ball EXTREMELY well, and had to be guarded. That opened things up for his teammates. He also played outstanding team defense. That is something Grooms didn't show this year, thought that is probably not entirely on him.

The most telling difference between the two is that White shot 45% from two and 41% from 3, while Grooms shot 35% and 20%. You can apply that to number of shots taken, or ppg averages all you want, and make it not look bad, but that is a HUGE difference, and impacted the games as such. Imagine how nice it would have been to have a pg that was shooting the 3 ball only 1% worse then Pledger did this year? You don't think that would have helped this team win a couple of games, based on that one stat? That's a pretty significant difference to me.

 

[seniorsooner]

You can't always just list some stats, especially counting stats, and call it a day. Different roles. Different teammates. Different styles of play. Different paces for the teams. The list goes on and on.

The simple fact is, White shot the ball EXTREMELY well, and had to be guarded. That opened things up for his teammates. He also played outstanding team defense. That is something Grooms didn't show this year, thought that is probably not entirely on him.

The most telling difference between the two is that White shot 45% from two and 41% from 3, while Grooms shot 35% and 20%. You can apply that to number of shots taken, or ppg averages all you want, and make it not look bad, but that is a HUGE difference, and impacted the games as such. Imagine how nice it would have been to have a pg that was shooting the 3 ball only 1% worse then Pledger did this year? You don't think that would have helped this team win a couple of games, based on that one stat? That's a pretty significant difference to me.

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[skyvue]

You can't always just list some stats, especially counting stats, and call it a day. Different roles. Different teammates. Different styles of play. Different paces for the teams. The list goes on and on.

I didn't list "some stats" -- I listed virtually every stat, unlike those of you who are denigrating Sam. You're choosing to focus on shooting percentage alone; I'm looking at the entire picture.

Sam managed to score almost as many points per game as Quannas. That's the idea, right, to score points? Shooting percentages are great, but the idea is to put points on the scoreboard.

Count their assists and Sam accounted for more points per game than Quannas. Would it have helped if Sam had shot better? Of course. Was QW a better point guard in his junior season than SG? Yes, but not by as wide a margin as you and others have suggested. Sam's become the current whipping boy for many posters here, and he deserves better. We'd have loved to have had Sam last season, and even considering TMG's occasional breakout games, the season before that.

He might be the right point guard on the wrong team, given our lack of scorers, but he's not a bad PG. He just isn't.

 

[DenverSooner]

Something I have not see anyone discuss is the possibility of starting M'Baye on the wing and Clark at the PF spot on the offensive end and switching them on defensive end. Clark is a very good rebounder and pretty good defender, he is amuch better rebounder than Fitzgerald. On defense Clark can defend the 3 and M'Baye can defend the post player. I am not saying this will happen but I think it is a possibility. To me the bottom line is OU now has some options with Clark, Osby, Fitzgerald and M'Baye. If one of the two freshman can step up play some 3 and 2 minutes, OU should be noticeably improved. If they can both play 10 minutes a game including a few minutes at pg, OU should be vastly improved.

It is my hope that the 7 man rotation is Grooms, Fitzgerald, Osby, M'Baye, Pledger, Clark and Hield or Hornbeak. Blair can give Grooms a few minutes each half as the 8th man. Neal, Hield or Hornbeak and Arent provide additional depth.

 

[cowboysooner]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My is that Q.White couldn't have started for Wagoner High School when he got to OU and when he left, he was as good as any point in the country. Those of us that were around at that time wondered what Billy was thinking when we first saw QW. He was about 40 pounds overweight and looked terrible. He metamorphis was dramatic. McGee showed signs his junior year but was horribly inconsistent. His senior year he was consistently good. Osby is a different, but he reminds me of Ace. 6'6-7, strong, good skills, can shoot etc. Ace was way tougher, at least during his senior year and very dependable. I hope Osby becomes this as well.

I don't know what the statistics say, and I am getting old, but some of you remember a very different junior year for QW than me.

In any event, my point was really just to say that since Osby and Grooms are going to start next year (probably), they will need to be a lot better for us to make substantial progress. Mbuye and maybe another new kid can and will help, but for me, Osby and Grooms need to really improve for to be materially better.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My is that Q.White couldn't have started for Wagoner High School when he got to OU and when he left, he was as good as any point in the country. Those of us that were around at that time wondered what Billy was thinking when we first saw QW. He was about 40 pounds overweight and looked terrible. He metamorphis was dramatic. McGee showed signs his junior year but was horribly inconsistent. His senior year he was consistently good. Osby is a different, but he reminds me of Ace. 6'6-7, strong, good skills, can shoot etc. Ace was way tougher, at least during his senior year and very dependable. I hope Osby becomes this as well.

I don't know what the statistics say, and I am getting old, but some of you remember a very different junior year for QW than me.

In any event, my point was really just to say that since Osby and Grooms are going to start next year (probably), they will need to be a lot better for us to make substantial progress. Mbuye and maybe another new kid can and will help, but for me, Osby and Grooms need to really improve for to be materially better.

What????????:facepalm:facepalm

 

[DenverSooner]

Q White didn't play for Billy Tubbs, he played for Sampson.

 

[seniorsooner]

What????????:facepalm:facepalm

I am also confused. Who is "Billy"?