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[AdaSooner]

What? What did he pull off? I just dont understand the quote.

Usually when the term "pulled off" is used it is because somebody did something extraordinary. They are 12-6, 2-4 heading into the hard part of the schedule. It's not terrible, but I dont think anyone is thinking Lon pulled some great feat here.

:ez-laugh: My bad. I thought you had switched gears in your thoughts about Kruger.

If I remember correctly, Sampson made that quote after the Legends game. It was in response to Kruger bringing in more than a 100 former players and coaches for the event. It didn't have anything to do with what LK has done this season.

 

[thebigabd]

:ez-laugh: My bad. I thought you had switched gears in your thoughts about Kruger.

If I remember correctly, Sampson made that quote after the Legends game. It was in response to Kruger bringing in more than a 100 former players and coaches for the event. It didn't have anything to do with what LK has done this season.

I see.. well, thats all I was asking!

 

[luckyc1423]

If Grooms was a good shooter, he would have signed with North Carolina. OU is lucky to have him. Grooms presence doesn't hurt the offense, Grooms presence helps the offense. Without him, they couldn't get the ball up court. Without him they don't have anyone to throw it to the open man any more often than they turn it over.

Last game Groom's stat line was pretty good. It wasn't Grooms that shot 33% from the field and missed the money shot. Kruger is getting alot of mileage out of Fitz and that 12/15 ft. jumper. Osby is a legit Big 12 caliber player. Grooms has brought stability and solid point guard play.

And Cam, even though hit can not hit the broad side of a barn, is really good in transition and a very good defender. And since conference play has started, all Pyrite Pledger has brought to the table is his 33% field goal pct. Nothing else.

The bench is weak. The drop off from the starters to CJ, Carl, Tyler, and Arent is just too steep to be very competitive in the Big 12. That is the main reason we have a hard time looking good for 40 minutes.

Spot on!! I think grooms is a very solid point. I dont like his three point shot but that doesnt mean he isnt a solid player. He can create for himself and there isnt alot of people on this team that can do that. He needs to work on finishing but he is a point so i would rather him distribute.

 

[NickZepp]

Nobody is really saying Grooms hurts the team. Far from that, what some of us are saying is that not having any other scoring outside of the top 3 really hurts the team. Grooms may actually be making that big 3 a little better. But OU's problems are that we have really no other shooter outside of Pledger. No other guy that can really penetrate and create shots consistently. Hopefully Grooms really shows his value next year if we have some other threats added to this roster. But right now we are really anemic outside of the big 3. Having Newell the first part of this season really showed promise because Newell was able to show things that really made this team more dynamic. He was another guy with range. He was a decent in creating shots through penetration too. He showed some defensive ability. Having him as a 4th scorer it would have made our team more balanced. If we rest one or more of our big guys we basically have 2 guys on the court that can score at all. There's not much Grooms can really do to help that.

 

[WTSooner]

Grooms presence doesn't hurt the offense, Grooms presence helps the offense.

Grooms has the worst FG% amongst Big 12 starting pg's.
Grooms has the worst 3% amongst Big 12 starting pg's.
Grooms has the 3rd worst FT% amongst Big 12 starting pg's.
Grooms has scored less points than all but one other Big 12 starting pg.
Grooms is towards the bottom of Big 12 pg's in steals.

The only place where Grooms compares favorably is if you look at assist to turnover margin.

If you sort a chart of Big 12 starting pg's by FG%, aside from Mizzou, it nearly lines up how the Big 12 standings will end up. Baylor and KU near the top. UT, KSU, and OSU in the middle. And OU, aTm, and TT towards the bottom.

PG play is important b/c the pg has the ball in his hands more than anybody. He has more chances to score the ball, than anybody. Sam Grooms isn't terrible. If he just disappeared off the team with no replacement, yes, we'd struggle, as he is by far our best ball handler. No doubt.

But looking back to the beginning of Kelvin's tenure at OU, taking "attitude" out of the equation, I'm not sure aside from Blair last year there is a single starting pg that I wouldn't take over Grooms.

John Ontjes
Tyrone Foster
Corey Brewer
Michael Johnson
J.R. Raymond
Quannis White
Andrew Lavender
Terrell Everett
Austin Johnson
TMG

Under Kelvin, fans always complained about our pg play. What does it say that out of a list of 10 kids, at MOST, I'd take Grooms over two (Lavender and TMG) of them, and that is mostly b/c of attitude/personality, and not actual talent?

I'm not bashing the kid. It is what it is. Sure, he'd look a bit better with better talent around him. But the talent around him would look better with a pg that could knock down shots too, so it goes both ways.

I get why you are defending him so much. You stuck your neck out for both he and Arent before the season started. Arent, to date, has been a waste. You are trying to salvage your pride with Grooms. And you were right, he has been better than Blair, and should be starting. No doubt. But historically speaking, we're looking at one of OU's worst starting pg's in the last two decades. My eyes tell me that, and the stats tell me that.

 

[garyeb2]

Arent!! I self reported on Arent weeks ago. The game is too fast for him. I don't think the final chapter has been written on the kid. But, for now he isn't much help.

I don't have any alterior motives. I think that is obvious who the guilty party is. And I haven't really given much thought as to how Grooms might compare to some of Kelvin's point guards. Your assesment may or may not be accuate.

Of course, we couldn't even play that game with your favorite player. We all know that Kelvin would run any kid that couldn't play defense out of the gym. That is if he ever made the mistake of recruiting one like him.

If trotting out a list of stats that cast Grooms in a bad light, makes you think that you have learned something important. That is fine with me. What I learned is that you do not have the first clue as to what a point guard is or is suppose to do.

 

[DenverSooner]

It is ridiculous to suggest that Grooms is better or favorable over Lavendar and TMG. Those guys were both very good. TMG was incredible. He was also an incredible idiot but his talent was obvious.

 

[WTSooner]

It is ridiculous to suggest that Grooms is better or favorable over Lavendar and TMG. Those guys were both very good. TMG was incredible. He was also an incredible idiot but his talent was obvious.

When you factor in maturity, leadership, and being a good teammate, I think it becomes debatable. And Lavender was TERRIBLE on defense. Not bad, terrible. That has to detract from the fact that he could shoot it.

 

[DenverSooner]

When you factor in maturity, leadership, and being a good teammate, I think it becomes debatable. And Lavender was TERRIBLE on defense. Not bad, terrible. That has to detract from the fact that he could shoot it.

I guess I don't recall Lavendar being that bad on defense. I remember some complaints but I mostly remember being upset that he transferred. His teams went 20-11 (and that was the year Bookout got hurt) and 25-8. Had he and McKensie stayed I think OU wins several more games in Sampson's last season.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I guess I don't recall Lavendar being that bad on defense. I remember some complaints but I mostly remember being upset that he transferred. His teams went 20-11 (and that was the year Bookout got hurt) and 25-8. Had he and McKensie stayed I think OU wins several more games in Sampson's last season.

+1

Lavender could have been a very good player at OU had he bought into Sampson's system. He never did and was moved to off guard which was not his strength. A year later he was transferring.

I'll never forget that driving layup at KSU to win the game. Incredible play.

 

[stoops4pres]

I guess I don't recall Lavendar being that bad on defense. I remember some complaints but I mostly remember being upset that he transferred. His teams went 20-11 (and that was the year Bookout got hurt) and 25-8. Had he and McKensie stayed I think OU wins several more games in Sampson's last season.

Agreed. I think we would've done better than a 6 seed that season (2005-2006), and perhaps repeated as conference champs.