Was Cobbins Really a Big Lose?

[garyeb2]

I can't really believe that people would argue that losing Cobbins didn't massively effect OSU's team defense.

The evidence is there in KenPom's data, and it's also there if you actually watched all of the games.

It's not like OSU didn't play anybody in the non-conference either.

I agree. You are right. Cobbins is a good player and when he went down the Aggies didn't have a shot at being the deep tourney run team that they had hoped for.

I knew that. Anyone that was paying attention should have known that. But, the Aggie hype machine never slowed down. It is only now, when the results are starting to come in, that Cobbins is being used as an excuse for the collapse.

 

[AdaSooner]

Yes, Cobbins was a big loss. I said before Stevie was booted that OSU has not been the same team since Cobbins went down with an injury. His impact on defense, rebounding and blocking or changing shots was not fully appreciated until he was no longer around.

Last night's game aside, though, OSU had more than enough talent to avoid the struggles we've seen with Cobbins not available. A game or two to adjust to his absence would have been understandable. But when those struggles continued beyond a reasonable adjustment period, one has to wonder if the problems went deeper than losing a key player. Two, counting Stevie, but the decline started before he left. Smart hasn't been himself either, and I don't mean the Tech fiasco. He's just not the same player he was before.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

A game or two to adjust to his absence would have been understandable. But when those struggles continued beyond a reasonable adjustment period, one has to wonder if the problems went deeper than losing a key player.

or maybe he wasn't a key player that everyone makes him out to be?

 

[NickZepp]

Oklahoma State lacks in 2 areas right now keeping them down. Assists and rebounding. Particularly rebounding margin. They aren't playing good team ball on offense and keep getting outrebounding in conference play. Some of that you can attribute to Cobbins getting hurt with their rotation. But the guard play hasn't been near what OSU has needed as far as team guard play goes. They are shooting better than OU in conference play. But they have far less FGs than OU and aren't getting to the line like OU is and aren't making 3s like OU is overall.

 

[campbest]

I agree. You are right. Cobbins is a good player and when he went down the Aggies didn't have a shot at being the deep tourney run team that they had hoped for.

I knew that. Anyone that was paying attention should have known that. But, the Aggie hype machine never slowed down. It is only now, when the results are starting to come in, that Cobbins is being used as an excuse for the collapse.

Gottlieb, Katz, Goodman, Norlander, Davis - all national CBB personalities said without Cobbins, it was going to be real tough for OSU to make a Final Four run immediately after the injury.

 

[oSuJeff97]

I knew that. Anyone that was paying attention should have known that. But, the Aggie hype machine never slowed down. It is only now, when the results are starting to come in, that Cobbins is being used as an excuse for the collapse.

LOL... I'm not sure where you've been.

Almost everyone has been lamenting the loss of Cobbins since it happened.

We lost our first game without him (@ K-State) and one of the things almost everyone was talking about right after that game was how much we missed Cobbins.

There have consistently been discussions on OP.com about how much Cobbins was missed after practically every Big 12 game this year, especially in games against teams with big, physical front lines (KU, Texas, etc.)

So again... I'm not sure where you're getting this "people are just now talking about Cobbbins" business.

 

[garyeb2]

Gottlieb, Katz, Goodman, Norlander, Davis - all national CBB personalities said without Cobbins, it was going to be real tough for OSU to make a Final Four run immediately after the injury.

Bemoaning the fact that something is going to be real tough is a lot different than no shot. The reality was no shot. It was going to be real tough with Cobbins. The expectation for the Pokes didn't change. It went from real tough to no shot with the Cobbins injury. That was never acknowledged.

 

[garyeb2]

LOL... I'm not sure where you've been.

Almost everyone has been lamenting the loss of Cobbins since it happened.

We lost our first game without him (@ K-State) and one of the things almost everyone was talking about right after that game was how much we missed Cobbins.

There have consistently been discussions on OP.com about how much Cobbins was missed after practically every Big 12 game this year, especially in games against teams with big, physical front lines (KU, Texas, etc.)

So again... I'm not sure where you're getting this "people are just now talking about Cobbbins" business.

I only have the energy to consume the content of one basketball message board. I only know what the aggies that gravitate over here have to say about it and what the local media pimps say. It wasn't until after the meltdown was obvious to everyone, before the aggie supporters conceded an inch on the expectations for the season.

 

[campbest]

I said "real tough" in paraphrasing, the national consensus has been "hard to imagine OSU making a run". Just like it's going to be "real tough" or "hard to imagine" that CU will make a run after all of their injuries...which was a real possibility beforehand.

I only have the energy to consume the content of one basketball message board. I only know what the aggies that gravitate over here have to say about it and what the local media pimps say. It wasn't until after the meltdown was obvious to everyone, before the aggie supporters conceded an inch on the expectations for the season.

So you have no frame of reference regarding the national perception.

 

[jerry]

I can't really believe that people would argue that losing Cobbins didn't massively effect OSU's team defense.

The evidence is there in KenPom's data, and it's also there if you actually watched all of the games.

It's not like OSU didn't play anybody in the non-conference either.

For a change you are right about this one. It was a big loss. With that said I hope you lose the rest of your games though.

 

[garyeb2]

I said "real tough" in paraphrasing, the national consensus has been "hard to imagine OSU making a run". Just like it's going to be "real tough" or "hard to imagine" that CU will make a run after all of their injuries...which was a real possibility beforehand.



So you have no frame of reference regarding the national perception.

I have ESPN.

 

[campbest]

I have ESPN.

...so you may have heard Katz. The hype machine was around CFB and NFL playoffs.

 

[ByronHoustonsSweatyPalms]

Cobbins played a position we weren't very deep in. I wouldn't rank him in our top 2 or 3 players but he, Murphy and a undersized Nash where all we had at the 4 and 5. Not exactly a bunch of bangers.

I don't mind losing Cobbins. Injuries are part of the game. Losing Smart and Clark was just plain stupidity.


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[jerry]

Cobbins played a position we weren't very deep in. I wouldn't rank him in our top 2 or 3 players but he, Murphy and a undersized Nash where all we had at the 4 and 5. Not exactly a bunch of bangers.

I don't mind losing Cobbins. Injuries are part of the game. Losing Smart and Clark was just plain stupidity.


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The only voice of reason I have heard from a Cowboy fan. Thanks man!!

 

[bgrch1350]

Cobbins played a position we weren't very deep in. I wouldn't rank him in our top 2 or 3 players but he, Murphy and a undersized Nash where all we had at the 4 and 5. Not exactly a bunch of bangers.

I don't mind losing Cobbins. Injuries are part of the game. Losing Smart and Clark was just plain stupidity.


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With Ford as your coach, you really don't know how deep you are at the post position b/c he never plays his posts. He keeps them on the team for a year and then boots them off. From the minute he took over, he ran off Thomas and Adams. That Jarred Shaw kid turned out to be a really good player for Utah State.