We're in as a #9 seed....would you take it?

#9 seed sounds about right to me if all goes well and can catch a few breaks.
 
skyvue said:
The original poster presented a #9 seed as somewhat of an improvement over the previous two seasons, when OU "barely snuck in."

And yet what was our seed last season? #9. And #10 the season before.

We didn't sneak in either of those seasons, and if we're a #9 in the upcoming season, we won't be sneaking in, either.
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you are lying to yourself.

Finishing the season we did the last two years is barely sneaking in. We were a loss or two away from not making it. That is sneaking in when you put it in perspective of how the season went along. We limped into the tournament. Now if we started the season bad and went on a winning streak to end the season but finished with the same record, I would agree. But with our trajectory and record, we barely made it.

With all the new faces this year, I would take a 9 seed. I just hope the trend of the season is opposite of how it has been recently. Seeing growth instead of decline as the season goes on
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
you are lying to yourself.

Finishing the season we did the last two years is barely sneaking in. We were a loss or two away from not making it. That is sneaking in when you put it in perspective of how the season went along. We limped into the tournament. Now if we started the season bad and went on a winning streak to end the season but finished with the same record, I would agree. But with our trajectory and record, we barely made it.

With all the new faces this year, I would take a 9 seed. I just hope the trend of the season is opposite of how it has been recently. Seeing growth instead of decline as the season goes on
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In that scenario, our seed would have been exactly the same.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Now if we started the season bad and went on a winning streak to end the season but finished with the same record, I would agree.
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No, if we had started the season poorly and gone on a winning streak to end the season but finished with the same record, you and some others on this board would have felt better about the team, which is what all this is really about.

But our chances of making the tourney would not have been improved. I don't know when some on this board will accept the truth that all quality wins matter when it comes to making the tourney -- early, late, it doesn't matter. The committee credits teams for all their quality wins.
 
skyvue said:
No, if we had started the season poorly and gone on a winning streak to end the season but finished with the same record, you and some others on this board would have felt better about the team, which is what all this is really about.

But our chances of making the tourney would not have been improved. I don't know when some on this board will accept the truth that all quality wins matter when it comes to making the tourney -- early, late, it doesn't matter. The committee credits teams for all their quality wins.
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Sadly, I think the answer is "never."
 
6 seed or better... Top 4 finish in big 12 and a sweet 16 appearance is my bet for this team.
 
skyvue said:
No, if we had started the season poorly and gone on a winning streak to end the season but finished with the same record, you and some others on this board would have felt better about the team, which is what all this is really about.

But our chances of making the tourney would not have been improved. I don't know when some on this board will accept the truth that all quality wins matter when it comes to making the tourney -- early, late, it doesn't matter. The committee credits teams for all their quality wins.
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I never said they didn't credit teams for quality wins.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
maybe. I know they claim they don't value conference record or trends but I find that very unlikely.
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Then how do you explain all the data available from the past several years? I don't look at what they claim, I look at what they actually do, and OU itself is proof that conference records and trends no longer matter.
 
tmeyer3307 said:
6 seed or better... Top 4 finish in big 12 and a sweet 16 appearance is my bet for this team.
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Nothing wrong with some optimism.. but thats bold for a team with so many new players, and seemingly no "elite" players.. Bunch of good players potentially, but nobody on this team is an NBA prospect.
 
thebigabd said:
Nothing wrong with some optimism.. but thats bold for a team with so many new players, and seemingly no "elite" players.. Bunch of good players potentially, but nobody on this team is an NBA prospect.
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Was Buddy Hield considered an NBA prospect entering freshman season? How about we wait until we've seen them play for a season or two before pronouncing their limitations?
 
skyvue said:
Was Buddy Hield considered an NBA prospect entering freshman season? How about we wait until we've seen them play for a season or two before pronouncing their limitations?
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Right now, I don't see any NBA prospects. That doesn't mean things can't change obviously. Nothing wrong with stating that right now.
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Right now, I don't see any NBA prospects. That doesn't mean things can't change obviously. Nothing wrong with stating that right now.
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Sorry, but "Nobody on this team is an NBA prospect" is a pronouncement that rules out the kind of success that Buddy (and plenty of other athletes) have achieved. I don't understand the impulse, seen so often on this board. to nail down -- in advance, before we've seen most of these players play even a single minute as a Sooner -- how good these players will be.

Few, if any, would have predicted that Buddy's freshman class would go to the Final Four or that Buddy would be Player of the Year or that he and Isaiah would be drafted or that Buddy would become a rising star and one of the best shooters in the NBA.
 
skyvue said:
Sorry, but "Nobody on this team is an NBA prospect" is a pronouncement that rules out the kind of success that Buddy (and plenty of other athletes) have achieved. I don't understand the impulse, seen so often on this board. to nail down -- in advance, before we've seen most of these players play even a single minute as a Sooner -- how good these players will be.

Few, if any, would have predicted that Buddy's freshman class would go to the Final Four or that Buddy would be Player of the Year or that he and Isaiah would be drafted or that Buddy would become a rising star and one of the best shooters in the NBA.
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I know it is tempting to try to project this stuff, but it really is silly, especially for kids who have yet to start their college careers. It works the other way, too -- sometimes, people will proclaim that an OU player has NBA potential after just a few games. I recall multiple people saying that Muni could play in the NBA based on how athletic he is. Within the first month of his freshman year, people were wondering if Manek would be here four years because they thought he might be a candidate to enter the draft early. But since few, if any, of us have seen any of the newcomers play in person, it seems more than a bit premature to speculate about their pro potential.

And to Sky's other point, it does feel like people are far more likely to negatively evaluate our own players than guys on other teams. As an example, if another Big 12 school had landed Reaves, people would be gushing about what a coup it was to land a sharpshooter with two years of experience playing for a Top 25 program. As is, he seems to go unmentioned by lots of people on this board, and when he is mentioned, people act as if he is an unproven entity even though he has 70ish games under his belt.
 
tmeyer3307 said:
6 seed or better... Top 4 finish in big 12 and a sweet 16 appearance is my bet for this team.
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About right in my usually unusually optimistic opinion!

Seriously, I think OU could be the surprise of the Big 12 Conference this season. There is just too much depth and too many quality players to believe this team will fall short of a very respectable season. I haven’t been this excited since the summer before our Final Four run.
 
I'm just betting on our guards. Today's game is all about the guards and we have several now. If we have one big step up this season, I don't see why a top 4-5 finish in the big 12 and a sweet 16 appearance is such an outrageous statement.

I think we have the length and talent to really do something special the next 2-3 years.
 
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