What if the SEC takes the Texas Schools?

[bocabull]

Texas wanted to join the SEC when Arkansas did but state legislators required them to take A&M too. When the Big XII was formed the legislature made sure Baylor was admitted.

So if the Big 10 makes their move on Missouri, Nebraska and possibly Iowa State, whose to say the SEC doesn't simply expand to 16 by taking the 4 Texas school in the Big XII leaving OU out in the cold?

You know the powers that be in Texas would love to cut off the OU recruiting advantage and it wouldn't matter a hill of beans to the SEC because the Oklahoma TV market is peanuts.

This is a serious threat.

 

[NickZepp]

OU goes where Texas goes. And from things I'm reading it looks like it'll be more the PAC 10 instead of SEC. The Big 12/PAC 10 are trying to make an alliance type thing. We could see a PAC10/Big 12 thing for Football like it is with Basketball. But I think if Nebraska and Mizzou leave it'll end up being the some Big 12 teams going to a new PAC 10.

 

[MVPx2]

Texas, Texas A&M, OU, and OSU will all be going together, wherever we may go.

 

[bocabull]

That's the one thing for sure. OSU goes where OU goes which will no way be the Pac-10. The schools are over 1,000 miles away and the cultural differences are a million miles apart.

So the big question is whether TX & aTm can leave Texas Tech and Baylor behind to make room for OU and OSU in the SEC.

Kansas and Kansas State would be the odd men out then.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

That's the one thing for sure. OSU goes where OU goes which will no way be the Pac-10. The schools are over 1,000 miles away and the cultural differences are a million miles apart.

So this big question is whether TX & aTm can leave Texas Tech and Baylor behind to make room for OU and OSU in the SEC.

I've had the same concern; however I think that the SEC would REALLY want OU to be part of the deal inasmuch as OU/TX is as big a football rivalry as there is out there. Where I end up is that SEC will take UT, OU and aTm, then it is a coin flip between oSu and TT. There will be substantial pressure for UT and aTm to include TT, and at the end of the day, the SEC will probably go with what UT and aTm want. Then it becomes and issue as to whether the Oklahoma legislature will make OU stay in a conference with oSu or not.

If OU and oSu were REALLY smart, they'd be trying to cut a deal with the SEC immediately and not wait to see what UT, aTm and TT do in this thing. That absolutely protects oSu from getting left out in the cold and keeps OU from the risk (however remote some on here feel that it is) from being left behind and stuck in a sub-par conference because they were handcuffed to oSu. The good news is that UT knows how good they have it in the B12 and want to try to preserve it...we(OU and oSu) need to use their "comfort" in being perceived as the big dog to beat them to jumping into the SEC.

JMHO. Really, I'd prefer that the B12 just take more steps to make its member institutions happier, unfortunately that starts at the top, and I think that the conference leadership is lacking.

 

[thebigabd]

JMHO. Really, I'd prefer that the B12 just take more steps to make its member institutions happier, unfortunately that starts at the top, and I think that the conference leadership is lacking.

I agree. I would like to keep the Big 12 as is.

 

[NickZepp]

The Big 12 needs to take steps to try and keep Nebraska at least. They can replace a Missouri with BYU or Louisville or Utah etc. They need a better TV deal to do that. I think that's what the PAC 10 meeting thing this week was about.

 

[stoops4pres]

OU goes where Texas goes. And from things I'm reading it looks like it'll be more the PAC 10 instead of SEC. The Big 12/PAC 10 are trying to make an alliance type thing. We could see a PAC10/Big 12 thing for Football like it is with Basketball. But I think if Nebraska and Mizzou leave it'll end up being the some Big 12 teams going to a new PAC 10.

I don't think Texas would join the Pac 10. Way too many hardships on the fanbase. Over half of the schools are over 1,000 miles apart. Furthermore, its a 2 time zone difference.

At the end of the day I don't think that will happen.

 

[NickZepp]

We'll see. I think both make as much sense. Either way OU and Texas will have long ways to go in the SEC outside of Arkansas all the other teams are about 1000-1500 miles away.

Edit for correction Mississippi teams are about 500 miles away, Alabama is about 800 miles.

 

[boksooner]

If the increased revenue makes up for the increased cost related to travel, then geography won't matter.

 

[NickZepp]

If the increased revenue makes up for the increased cost related to travel, then geography won't matter.

Yep plus I bet if there's a new PAC 10 teams like Utah or BYU are added to make them a little closer to the middle of the country. The travel for the SEC is a little closer because of the Oregon schools, but it's not like going to Florida is a quick drive.

 

[boksooner]

It will be interesting to see if any of the non-revenue sports get any consideration. It would almost make sense to have conference for football and basketball and maintain a smaller regional conference for sports like wrestling and soccer.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

It will be interesting to see if any of the non-revenue sports get any consideration. It would almost make sense to have conference for football and basketball and maintain a smaller regional conference for sports like wrestling and soccer.

That is a good idea.

Also, what if OU just went independent...out of BCS I presume [noting that I wonder how much the BCS matters in this as well].

 

[thebigabd]

North Division: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Louisville, Utah
South Division: Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Baylor, Arkansas

Screw Kansas, Kansas State, Colorado, Iowa State, Missouri, and Nebraska.

 

[stoops4pres]

We'll see. I think both make as much sense. Either way OU and Texas will have long ways to go in the SEC outside of Arkansas all the other teams are about 1000-1500 miles away.

Edit for correction Mississippi teams are about 500 miles away, Alabama is about 800 miles.

The SEC from a geographical standpoint makes more sense then the Pac 10 for both OU or Texas.

Should Texas or OU go to the Pac 10, the closest school in that current format is roughly 1,000 miles away (Zona and ASU). The entire SEC West is closer for both Big 12 schools.

OU is closer to some SEC East schools then they are to any Pac 10 school, as well (Vandy, and Tenn... Georgia is about even with the AZ schools).

This is all hypothetical and no one knows what happens, but OU is a much better fit for the SEC. A lot closer to the schools (not much of a difference between them and Arkansas from that perspective, actually), passion for football, time zone is the same as all SEC West schools, etc. Texas and especially OU wouldn't fit as well with the Pac 10.

 

[stoops4pres]

If the increased revenue makes up for the increased cost related to travel, then geography won't matter.

That's a fair point. I should rephrase my initial post and state that they would go, but at the end of the day if the SEC and Pac 10 both covet Texas (and/or OU), both would chose SEC because like you said revenue, as well as from a geographical standpoint. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[mattham4]

North Division: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Louisville, Utah
South Division: Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Baylor, Arkansas

Screw Kansas, Kansas State, Colorado, Iowa State, Missouri, and Nebraska.

 

[SilliSooner]

This stuff is wearing me out. Conferences should be aligned geographically and the almighty dollar shouldn't be a reason to increase or decrease the size of a conference.

Part of the charm of the Big 12 conference is passionate fans behind schools located not necessarily in metropolises. With the exception of Austin all Big 12 schools are either in suburbs, small towns or small cities. That's a plus, I think, because despite the small populations of the host cities the revenue generated by the athletics in these towns is greater per capita than any conference in the country.

 

[Darwin]

What if the SEC takes the Texas Schools? I say it's good! If it's back to the Big 8 plus add TCU, Houston and choose a couple more, maybe even Utep. The total package won't come close to the SEC but OU will have the rep and still be ranked very high, so still can recruit anywhere and win. Still with exposure in Texas and playing KU for championships in basketball. texas gets beat up every year and loses some of its shine.

 

[NickZepp]

What if the SEC takes the Texas Schools? I say it's good! If it's back to the Big 8 plus add TCU, Houston and choose a couple more, maybe even Utep. The total package won't come close to the SEC but OU will have the rep and still be ranked very high, so still can recruit anywhere and win. Still with exposure in Texas and playing KU for championships in basketball. texas gets beat up every year and loses some of its shine.

OU is going where Texas goes.