Who said TCU and West Virginia were upgrades?

OSU will not finish next season rated that high. Back to a bit of reality next season for the Pokes.
 
Impressive! Six Big 12 teams in the pre-season top twenty five.

I see one former conference foe. What about Mizzou and ATM? Are those schools still playing football? :D
 
OSU will not finish next season rated that high. Back to a bit of reality next season for the Pokes.

I agree that is way too high for OSU. They will have a new quarterback, new O-line and two new receivers. The defense was not particularly good this year. I think they take a major step back and lose at least 3 conference games.
 
I agree that is way too high for OSU. They will have a new quarterback, new O-line and two new receivers. The defense was not particularly good this year. I think they take a major step back and lose at least 3 conference games.

Remember what happened the last time they had to replace a star QB/WR combo though...
 
Remember what happened the last time they had to replace a star QB/WR combo though...

If you are talking about Zac Robinson and Dez, the last two years they were together (2008 and 2009), OSU lost 4 games each year. That is what OSU does. I personally think the offense finally takes a step back this time. Maybe it won't. I think it will.
 
I agree that is way too high for OSU. They will have a new quarterback, new O-line and two new receivers. The defense was not particularly good this year. I think they take a major step back and lose at least 3 conference games.

Disagree, I thought their defense was underrated. Lead the nation in turnovers, shut down RGIII and OU's offense, etc. They gave up a lot of those points/yards with their 2nd string in because many of their games were over way before the end of regulation.
 
Disagree, I thought their defense was underrated. Lead the nation in turnovers, shut down RGIII and OU's offense, etc. They gave up a lot of those points/yards with their 2nd string in because many of their games were over way before the end of regulation.

They gave up points and yards to Texas, Texas A&M, KSU, ISU and others when the games weren't over. OSU's defense did a really good job against OU. I did not see the Baylor game.

Three losses in the Big XII is going to be a pretty good football team. OSU has to play OU, Texas, KSU, Baylor, TCU, West Virginia, Tech, KU and ISU. How many easy wins are on that schedule? I would say somewhere between 1 and 3 (KU, ISU and Tech) but ISU upset OSU last year and Tech upsetOklahoma so teams better be ready to play those games.

I think OSU will have trouble on the road against the better teams. Everyone has to watch out for the upset.
 
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How do they only have OU at 13 projected returning starters?

1. Landry Jones
2. Trey Millard
3. Dom Whaley
4. Gabe Ikard
5. Tyler Evans
6. Ben Habern
7. Lane Johnson
8. Kenny Stills
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9. Casey Walker
10. Jamarkus Mcfarland
11. Tom Wort
12. Corey Nelson
13. Demontre Hurst
14. Tony Jefferson
15. Aaron Colvin

And that's not counting Jaz Reynolds, just because that would be 12 starters on offense, but for all intents and purposes, he's a starter. Plus, RJ Washington/David King started the last 3 games and are both returning.
 
How do they only have OU at 13 projected returning starters?

1. Landry Jones
2. Trey Millard
3. Dom Whaley
4. Gabe Ikard
5. Tyler Evans
6. Ben Habern
7. Lane Johnson
8. Kenny Stills
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9. Casey Walker
10. Jamarkus Mcfarland
11. Tom Wort
12. Corey Nelson
13. Demontre Hurst
14. Tony Jefferson
15. Aaron Colvin

And that's not counting Jaz Reynolds, just because that would be 12 starters on offense, but for all intents and purposes, he's a starter. Plus, RJ Washington/David King started the last 3 games and are both returning.

Not sure if they count Whaley since Clay started the first 3 games then Dom was sick against Tech and got Hurt against a&m
 
Not sure if they count Whaley since Clay started the first 3 games then Dom was sick against Tech and got Hurt against a&m

Well if you don't count Whaley, wouldn't you then have to count either Clay or Finch, both of whom are also returning?
 
There are a lot of incorrect statements in this thread.

OSU returns an incredible 36 out of 44 of this year's two deep including the best running back corps and offensive line in the conference. We were one of the youngest teams in the conference.

Parker Graham
Michael Bowie
Lane Taylor
Nick Martinez

All 4 of those OL players were starters for multiple games during the season and are returning. Nick Martinez was injured early and managed to be granted a medical redshirt. He was our 3rd best lineman before last year and will be returning. OSU has arguably the best offensive line coach in the country. Wickline was offered around a ridiculous $700K to be the OL coach at Texas but turned it down. There's no one better in the business and he reloads every year, OSU hasn't skipped a beat at that position group in quite some time. Wickline would have a new starting OL unit each week sometimes just to see what works best for that opponent, that's how deep/talented we are in that group and a luxury he has. OL is the last thing an OSU fan worries about.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...ectid=93&articleid=20110117_93_B2_CUTLIN40417

As far as WR losing a guy like Blackmon or Broyles hurts but OSU is loaded at WR and we spread the ball around a ton. We have plenty of guys that can be plugged right in. If we're going to suck at WR because we lost Blackmon I guess you guys are since you lost Broyles?? Come on now. WR hasn't been a problem for OSU in over a decade, it's been a strength year after year. We have 1690 yards of receiving yards returning including the following players:

Tracy Moore 672 yards 4TDs
Isaiah Anderson 315 yards 4TDs
Michael Harrison 255 yards 3 TDs
Josh Stewart 291 yards 2TDs
Justin Horton 101 yards


Projected 2011-2012 Starters: (asterik if they were previously a starter). I included 3 RBs considering we're constantly in a 2 and even sometimes a 3 back set. I used AP for both All-Big 12 and All-American accolades.

QB: Clint Chelf or J.W. Walsh
RB: Joseph Randle* 1st Team All Big 12 208 carries 1,216 yards 24 TDs!!
RB: Jeremy Smith* 91 carries 646 yards (7.1 avg) 9 TDs
FB: Kye Staley* 2nd Team All Big 12
WR: Isaiah Anderson*
WR: Tracy Moore*
WR: Josh Stewart
WR: Michael Harrison
OT: Michael Bowie*
OT: Parker Graham*
G: Nick Martinez* Honorable Mention All-Big 12
G: Lane Taylor* Honorable Mention All-Big 12
C: Casey LaBrue

DE: Cooper Bassett
DE: Anthony Rogers*
DT: Nigel Nicholas* Honorable Mention All-Big 12
DT: Ryan Robinson
LB: Shaun Lewis* Honorable Mention All-Big 12
LB: Caleb Lavey*
LB: Alex Elkins*
CB: Brodrick Brown* 1st Team All-Big 12 / 3rd Team All-American
CB: Justin Gilbert* 2nd Team All-Big 12
S: Daytawion Lowe *
S: Johnny Thomas* (11 starts in 2010, season ending injury before 2011)

Kicker/Punter Quinn Sharp* Honorable Mention All-Big 12 Kicker / 1st Team All-Big 12 Punter / 3rd Team All-American Kicker (I find it especially weird that he was an AP 3rd team AA yet AP HM All Big 12 but whatever)

That's 17 players (only counted 2 RBs) that either finished the season as a starter or started at least a solid handful of games last year. OSU's defense is extremely young and talented. It should be better than last years and last year's defense was vastly underrated.

#1 scoring defense in Big 12 play
#12 nationally in redzone defense
#1 nationally in fumbles recovered
#2 nationally in passes intercepted
#1 nationally in turnovers forced and 2 shy of an NCAA record per 12 games
#20 nationally in pass efficiency defense
#24 nationally in tackles for loss

Points allowed are all that matter, when you're scoring as often and as fast as OSU did you're going to give up higher yardages. I want to say they had the 2nd or 3rd highest points scored per minute in the country. For example, OSU had 1089 plays ran against them in 13 games, Alabama had 720. (And no I'm not comparing our D to Bama's, just showing a number) As OU fans and the hurry up I know you guys know the feeling, you had 950 ran against you this year and I'm sure it's been even more in the previous few years. Teams that run ground and pound clock control offenses are going to have better defenses yardage wise "on paper", that's just the way it goes.

I'm not making any record predictions on how the season is going to go, just merely setting some inaccuracies straight. QB play is extremely important and until you see in game results you can't make any assumptions. From what I've read OSU will be more run heavy as we've recruited some tight ends the past few years and both QBs are very mobile players unlike Weeden who was a pure pocket passer. We will be far from a pushover and one of the top 3 teams in the conference IMO. If Chelf can play at a high level OSU can win 10 games, QB is everything in this offense.
 
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Lol @aggy typing a novel trying to make his case. Let me sum it up for ya ... OU will easily wax your ass next year. Enjoy your once a century fluke.
 
Lol @aggy typing a novel trying to make his case. Let me sum it up for ya ... OU will easily wax your ass next year. Enjoy your once a century fluke.

Im still waiting for your post game analysis from Monday night or are you just now coming off your bender to drown the pain from getting beat soundly by, in your opinion, the "worst coach in the conference"?

Lemme guess, the refs screwed ya?
 
Was in Vegas for CES. Better things to do than watching mediocre college sports.
 
It's awesome camp. There were 140k people there this year. Look for the automotive industry to start significant innovation in both clean fuel efficiency and the "connected car". The Audi booth was my favorite and a Mercedes exec gave a keynote.

And next time your in Vegas be sure to grab a bite at Noodles in the Bellagio.
 
It's awesome camp. There were 140k people there this year. Look for the automotive industry to start significant innovation in both clean fuel efficiency and the "connected car". The Audi booth was my favorite and a Mercedes exec gave a keynote.

And next time your in Vegas be sure to grab a bite at Noodles in the Bellagio.

I will be in Vegas in March... I will check out Noodles.
 
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