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6-1 Has a win over Michigan. Lost its most recent outing to Wake Forest. OU beat Xavier 73-51 in Las Vegas in 2012. Once again, we meet in Vegas.

Starters:

5-8 G Sr Gaffney Raeshaun 14.71 pts, 4.00 reb (35.48% from three)
5-6 G Jr Marquia Turner 9.00 pts, 4.43 reb, 4 assists (33.33% from three)
5-9 G Soph Kindell Fincher 9,29 pts, 3.86 reb (33.33% from three)
5-11 F Sr Maddison Blackwell 8.71 pts, 7.00 reb
6-1 F Sr Leah Schafer 5.71 pts, 7.71 reb, 16 blocks

Bench
6-1 F Soph Imani Partlow 8.57 pts, 5.00 reb
5-9 G Jr Jada Byrd 2.43 pts, 3.43 reb

Xavier outshoots their opponents from the field and from three. Even with their lack of height, the out-rebound their opponents by about 7.7 per game. They do turn it over more than their opponents and have fewer blocked shots and steals, but not by much.

Their schedule is pretty soft (being in the new Big East). They are #77 in realtimerpi (we are #37).
 
We now have seven days to prepare for Xavier. Given their size, wonder how they will handle Nancy?
 
Xavier won at Cincinnati and is now 7-1. They are #71 in the NCAA rpi (we are #40). Then, we get Cal, 9-0 and #30 before resting (?) against Portland State (#260, 4-3).
 
Sherri mentioned that the Puerto Rico Tournament in Las Vegas (that's the kind of year this is) will be used to evaluate who should start, what rotations worked together well, etc. There are a lot of talented people who are not separated by much.

I expect that the post will remain Vivi---for now. EJ is clearly behind Vivi, and both are exceeding expectations, especially EJ. But, Nancy's emergence should be causing some second thoughts. With 4:18 left in the third quarter against Tex-Rio Grande Valley, a new era at OU may have begun. The dominance that the Nancy, Maddie, Gabbi, Chelsea, LaNesia rotation exhibited for the remainder of the quarter set the tone for that game and the next. Nancy only played seven minutes against Tex--Rio Grande Valley, but we totally dominated those seven minutes.

If this continues, it will be difficult to keep Nancy out of the starting lineup. I never thought we would be seeing that this year. But, I expect to see Vivi in for the Xavier and California games. If Nancy continues as she has in the past two games, it would not be a surprise to see her start against Portland State, a considerably weaker opponent, making her first start not quite so competitive.

Vivi is still the stronger rebounder, the best on the team. But, the combination of Nancy and Maddie seems to keep the ball alive until we get it. They seem to work together on the boards better than Maddie with Vivi or EJ.

Do you keep Nancy on the bench as a member of the shock troops?

I don't know why Maddie has not been starting. But, she has been the MVP in three of the last five games. The past two have been rather dominant. She seems to have become the defensive leader as well, as a lot of our offense has been generated by the defense. I suspect that Sherri might not want to change anything up with her. But, she plays so many minutes that it is reserve in name only, 55 minutes in the past two games, with the next most with 42.

Carter seems to have become quiet at the wrong time. Would Carter be an effective sixth man? She seems to have a short energy span, going full steam for about three minutes before disappearing. She is actually shooting better from three than from two. Is she becoming like Derica?

Peyton had a quiet game against Tex-RGV. But, she fought well against Tulsa. She seems to be a steady defender who is becoming better at a running jumper than the three. She keeps getting steals when she is the only one downcourt. She is steady in her all-around game.

Chelsea has emerged as an offensive threat who happens to play good defense. She is aggressive and can hit the three. She was excellent from the line until the past two games. I think she has become a solid starter.

That really leaves the T'Ona/Gabbi battle. As Sherri mentioned, Gabbi is more like herself recently. She makes better decisions than T'Ona, and she is effective with Nancy. The one double pass to Nancy for a layup was quick thinking and reaction. She also took advantage of the collapse on Nancy for a fall away jumper in the lane that was wide open. Funny, Maddie and Gabbi both found that the middle was wide open for short jumpers with Nancy on the floor.

T'Ona's four fouls in eleven minutes were largely due to her insistence on driving into a crowd. So many of her fouls seem to be unnecessary charges. As the announcers said, point guards have to realize that their value to the team is too high to get fouls in the post. Stay out of the forest unless it is wide open. I don't know which one Sherri will go with against Xavier. But, I think Gabbi opens up the offense more.

I expect a starting unit of Vivi, Maddie, Peyton, Chelsea, and Gabbi. No matter who starts, I think they'll get the most minutes.

The assimilation of Morgan Rich begins with Xavier. From the videos of her in highschool, my first impression was that she had long arms like Maddie on defense. If she is our best shooter, that might work out nicely. I expect defense.

I was surprised by the use of LaNesia on the floor in both games with Nancy, Maddie, Gabbi, and Chelsea. She becomes pretty effective in the wide open game that results from that defense. With that group, I'd rather have her than T'Ona. She has a nice jump shot in open court.

I wonder if Sherri will try to use those five as a defensive Shock Troop in reserve? I'd let them set the tone for the game. If you didn't notice, when they began that defensive run against Tex-RGV, they bent down after a time out and slapped the floor as a group. The defense began. I wonder who choreographed that move?
 
That slap-the-floor move began a season or two ago as homage, I guess, to the men's national championship drive.

I agree with much of your assessment. However, let me throw a bit of a different light on Maddie and Gabbi.

Both have had their best games coming off the bench, at least lately, but I believe most of the season. Gabby seems to be almost as turnover prone as Edwards. I would like to note that Maddie has been a turnover machine at times this season.

I think for at least the first game in Reno we see the same starting five we have been seeing: Vivi, Dungee, Edwards, Carter, Little. The one caveat may be Carter. She isn't playing well. Does Sherri go high-low with Mulkey in her stead moving Maddie to the 3? Or does she give Rich a go from the beginning? I think she begins to work Rich into the line-up heavily as a second unit player for a game or two.

I understand that Edwards is a turnover waiting to happen, but Gabbi isn't that much better. Right now Edwards has confidence. She's hitting some good shots and I think Gabbi seems more settled and sure because she is coming of the bench -- as is Maddie.

I agree that Mulkey has been a welcome surprise. She had a tough one last outing, but that's just growing pains.

I too have been pleasantly surprised by LaNeshia's play and EJ's. They are solid back-ups.

So, I say same line-up for the first game, maybe all three. I think Sherri has basically already settled on her starting five and that Rich is the only real wild card. But it could certainly change if Maddie can translate her off-the-bench play into a starter role. I don't give Gabbi much of a chance to permanently beat out Edwards at this point.
 
Sherri mentioned that the Puerto Rico Tournament in Las Vegas (that's the kind of year this is) will be used to evaluate who should start, what rotations worked together well, etc. There are a lot of talented people who are not separated by much.

I expect that the post will remain Vivi---for now. EJ is clearly behind Vivi, and both are exceeding expectations, especially EJ. But, Nancy's emergence should be causing some second thoughts. With 4:18 left in the third quarter against Tex-Rio Grande Valley, a new era at OU may have begun. The dominance that the Nancy, Maddie, Gabbi, Chelsea, LaNesia rotation exhibited for the remainder of the quarter set the tone for that game and the next. Nancy only played seven minutes against Tex--Rio Grande Valley, but we totally dominated those seven minutes.

If this continues, it will be difficult to keep Nancy out of the starting lineup. I never thought we would be seeing that this year. But, I expect to see Vivi in for the Xavier and California games. If Nancy continues as she has in the past two games, it would not be a surprise to see her start against Portland State, a considerably weaker opponent, making her first start not quite so competitive.

Vivi is still the stronger rebounder, the best on the team. But, the combination of Nancy and Maddie seems to keep the ball alive until we get it. They seem to work together on the boards better than Maddie with Vivi or EJ.

Do you keep Nancy on the bench as a member of the shock troops?

I don't know why Maddie has not been starting. But, she has been the MVP in three of the last five games. The past two have been rather dominant. She seems to have become the defensive leader as well, as a lot of our offense has been generated by the defense. I suspect that Sherri might not want to change anything up with her. But, she plays so many minutes that it is reserve in name only, 55 minutes in the past two games, with the next most with 42.

Carter seems to have become quiet at the wrong time. Would Carter be an effective sixth man? She seems to have a short energy span, going full steam for about three minutes before disappearing. She is actually shooting better from three than from two. Is she becoming like Derica?

Peyton had a quiet game against Tex-RGV. But, she fought well against Tulsa. She seems to be a steady defender who is becoming better at a running jumper than the three. She keeps getting steals when she is the only one downcourt. She is steady in her all-around game.

Chelsea has emerged as an offensive threat who happens to play good defense. She is aggressive and can hit the three. She was excellent from the line until the past two games. I think she has become a solid starter.

That really leaves the T'Ona/Gabbi battle. As Sherri mentioned, Gabbi is more like herself recently. She makes better decisions than T'Ona, and she is effective with Nancy. The one double pass to Nancy for a layup was quick thinking and reaction. She also took advantage of the collapse on Nancy for a fall away jumper in the lane that was wide open. Funny, Maddie and Gabbi both found that the middle was wide open for short jumpers with Nancy on the floor.

T'Ona's four fouls in eleven minutes were largely due to her insistence on driving into a crowd. So many of her fouls seem to be unnecessary charges. As the announcers said, point guards have to realize that their value to the team is too high to get fouls in the post. Stay out of the forest unless it is wide open. I don't know which one Sherri will go with against Xavier. But, I think Gabbi opens up the offense more.


I expect a starting unit of Vivi, Maddie, Peyton, Chelsea, and Gabbi. No matter who starts, I think they'll get the most minutes.

The assimilation of Morgan Rich begins with Xavier. From the videos of her in highschool, my first impression was that she had long arms like Maddie on defense. If she is our best shooter, that might work out nicely. I expect defense.

I was surprised by the use of LaNesia on the floor in both games with Nancy, Maddie, Gabbi, and Chelsea. She becomes pretty effective in the wide open game that results from that defense. With that group, I'd rather have her than T'Ona. She has a nice jump shot in open court.

I wonder if Sherri will try to use those five as a defensive Shock Troop in reserve? I'd let them set the tone for the game. If you didn't notice, when they began that defensive run against Tex-RGV, they bent down after a time out and slapped the floor as a group. The defense began. I wonder who choreographed that move?

Good post, Syb!

I really think T'Ona's biggest asset, and why she's starting, is because from the beginning she will get the team in the fast tempo which Sherri wants them to play. And she may be better on defensive end of the court. It's too bad we can't combine T'Ona and Gabbi into one PG!!! T'Ona is also having more success so far in getting to the basket and scoring whereas Gabbi has been struggling with her shot. Whether T'Ona stays in starting lineup or not, we'll have to see. But I really believe that T'Ona is more successful pushing tempo consistently over Gabbi right now.

The defensive slapping of the floor has been done over time by many (not just OU) but Buddy and company really begin doing this 3 or 4 years ago on the men's team when in need of defensive stop, usually after a score. Sherri mentioned earlier that the team really put in extra time and effort at gym over the summer referencing the men's team (Buddy and Isaiah) being gym rats.
 
I see T'Ona quite differently from Sherri. Yes, she does play fast. Sometimes, it results in layups. This year, she is making most of them. She still isn't making free throws, and it is almost like a turnover for her to be fouled. She is finally up to 50%---for a point guard. We actually had to sub her out of a game in order to hold a lead because she shot worse than Courtney used to.

T'Ona may be able to drive the lane against a Southern Illinois. That isn't going to happen against the Big Twelve. She needs to be able to have enough of an impact to open up the set offense, and she doesn't have that reputation as a shooter. It is surprising that she is 3 of 7 from three. Without layups, what is her two point percentage? T'Ona is, at best, a back up point. She gets herself into too much trouble driving the lane against teams that pack the lane.

Gabbi had a horrible start. But, she can hit the step-back jumper. She is just not hitting the three this year. She has always hit it in her two previous years. She has begun to come on in the past couple of games. She can rise above what she has been. I think T'Ona is at her peak.

Turnovers are not the same. I have heard the same issue about Maddie being turnover prone. But, her turnovers tend to be involvement turnovers whereas Carter and T'Ona's turnovers are their own, doing something stupid. Maddie had three turnovers in one game recently in which she fed the post, but the post thought she was shooting and turned away from the intended pass, both Vivi and EJ. She even had a freshman guard who went one way as Maddie led her the other. Most of her turnovers come off of feeds. This year, thus far, Maddie's A/T is 0.83. Last year, it was 1.42 for the season. She gets more assists and steals than turnovers. She leads the team in steals, just as she did last year. Incidentally, Carter's A/T for the past two years: 0.73 and 0.81.
 
I just don't see that Gabbi is playing any better than Edwards right now, Syb. I think Gabbi has come up to Edward's level to play so far this season. They each make different shots. Gabby is better at the line.

I have thought for some time that Gabbi is slower/not-as-quick as Edwards and that is the difference for Sherri. T can make more happen. I think that is what Sherri wants.

I think Maddie has played her best basketball the last two games, but she still tends to disappear. She doesn't have that constant I'm-going-to-kill-you-and-make-you-like-it every second attitude that D-Rob, Courtney, Hand, Dales, etc. have.

There's a lot of basketball left and I agree, Big 12 play will be different, but until they players all live up to their potential, I don't think you will see a major line-up change compared to what we have seen thus far -- except for Rich. By the time January rolls around I expect her to be in the starting line up.
 
I just don't see that Gabbi is playing any better than Edwards right now, Syb. I think Gabbi has come up to Edward's level to play so far this season. They each make different shots. Gabby is better at the line.

I have thought for some time that Gabbi is slower/not-as-quick as Edwards and that is the difference for Sherri. T can make more happen. I think that is what Sherri wants.

I think Maddie has played her best basketball the last two games, but she still tends to disappear. She doesn't have that constant I'm-going-to-kill-you-and-make-you-like-it every second attitude that D-Rob, Courtney, Hand, Dales, etc. have.

There's a lot of basketball left and I agree, Big 12 play will be different, but until they players all live up to their potential, I don't think you will see a major line-up change compared to what we have seen thus far -- except for Rich. By the time January rolls around I expect her to be in the starting line up.

I think Gabbi has had a much better career than T'Ona in every phase of the game. Despite starting the year with a horrible shooting percentage, Gabbi has a career 33.94% FG%, 31.16% from three, and 78.12% from the line. Compare that to 36.18%, 21.15% from three, and 62.28% from the line. We actually take Edwards out of the lineup with a lead late in the game because we don't want her shooting free throws, going back to last year.

Gabbi averages 3.57 rebounds. T'Ona averages 2.14. A/T ratio? 1.40 to 1.33. Steals: Edwards 96 in 107 games over four years. Ortiz 69 over 75 games in 3 seasons. Points: Gabbi 7.21 T'Ona 2.25. Gabbi was 32.33% from three until this year. Funny how our three-point shooters all started so slowly this year.

It is curious that you compared Maddie with Courtney, Whitney, DRob, etc. On another board, I listed the comparison to Whitney since they had very similar injuries. It is interesting how similar their careers have been.
 
We are playing better now than any time this season. Do you "reward" Maddie with starting again, or keep doing what has worked-Maddie and Gabbi coming off the bench.
Do you use the Nancy, Lanesia, Maddie, Gabbi and somebody half court trap as a tempo and momentum builder?
IMO keep doing what has worked, as long as it is still producing results.
And Gabbi is a better INDIVIDUAL offensive player than T'ona, but not as good defensively, and both are good rebounders, but T'ona slightly better, so both have positives
 
Syb, old friend, stats are not always a true reflection of what is transpiring. Career-wise, you are right, Gabbi wins that battle. However, this season T'Ona is coming on, developing and improving. Last season, Gabbi regressed. She's plateaued this season, so far.

Both have their good points and bad but to fall back to one of your standard defenses of Sherri and the program, I think Sherri knows more about basketball than both of us --- and that is why, so far this season, she has been the starter.

That may change. Gabbi could take a big jump, Edwards could regress.

I do think Maddie's injuries changed the girl in many ways. She may have been great coming out of high school but right now she is a good all-around player at Morgan Hook's level. And I say that meaning impact on the program and ability to lead this team.

Maddie is far more talented thank hook, but if her career ends at the end of this season, she won't be someone, right now, that people remember for years after as a great player. She will be Cari Rothesburger good and remembered, which isn't bad, but it isn't Amanda Thompson, Abi or those better good.


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Sherri has twice made the comment that Maddie defines the demeanor of the team. You don't leave that on the bench.

Sherri has also said that she is still defining the starters, combinations, etc.

I suspect that the TT over Gabbi and Gioya over Maddie is a motivating attempt. I don't think it is a wise course of action, and a bit manipulative, something that Smith and Newton were happy to get rid of Johnson in Dallas over. You have to be careful in psychological manipulations. Benching Kay Kay didn't work either. It becomes a bit too obvious when Maddie isn't starting but playing 55 minutes over two games as a sub while the most any starter has is 42.

Simply, you can't have a point guard that can't hit free throws, e.g., Gottlieb.
 
Sherri has twice made the comment that Maddie defines the demeanor of the team. You don't leave that on the bench.

Sherri has also said that she is still defining the starters, combinations, etc.

I suspect that the TT over Gabbi and Gioya over Maddie is a motivating attempt. I don't think it is a wise course of action, and a bit manipulative, something that Smith and Newton were happy to get rid of Johnson in Dallas over. You have to be careful in psychological manipulations. Benching Kay Kay didn't work either. It becomes a bit too obvious when Maddie isn't starting but playing 55 minutes over two games as a sub while the most any starter has is 42.

Simply, you can't have a point guard that can't hit free throws, e.g., Gottlieb.

Well, if it is a motivating attempt, it's been pretty successful with Maddie. Maybe the most consistent she's been over a 3/4 game schedule. Maddie may like coming off the bench more.

As for Gabbi, she has worst field goal percentage on the team this year, at 26%, and she's averaging more minutes per game that T'Ona. Gabbi hasn't played the same since her freshman year. I don't think either has separated themselves from the other. And T'Ona has only attempted 12 free throws in 9 games. I really believe, in Sherri's eyes, is that T'Ona is more successful getting the ball down the court more quickly and keeping tempo where she wants. T'Ona has started 5 games and Gabbi has started 4 games and I can't tell any difference in either of their play whether they start or not.

It sounds like Sherri is going to use this tourney in Vegas to determine who starters will be for conference season so it may all be completely different by the end of the month for the beginning of conference season.
 
Everyone always talks about intangibles when it comes to who is starting on a sports team.

The intangibles that are not readily apparent - chemistry between players, confidence in yourself and teammates, smart decisions, leadership. Right now, it seems, Edwards may lead in the intangibles.


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Game at 4:15 Monday afternoon.

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I don't know whether it is pay or not.

I noticed that the five on the floor in much of the third quarter against Tulsa were the same as during the late third quarter against Tex--RGV, the group that put the clamps on:

Nancy
Maddie
Chelsea
Gabbi
LaNesia
except that Derica came in for Chelsea at one point late in the third or early in the fourth in both games. I wonder if that is becoming the defense/open court group? It seems to be very effective. Nancy and Maddie seem to be on the floor together a lot.
 
43-37 OU at the half.

Took us a few minutes to get going as we trailed by 10, but very nice last 15 minutes or so. TT with 3 threes, Maddie is everywhere at both ends and Stu is making plays. LaNeisha, Gabbi and Nancy with good minutes too. Everyone is playing well!
20 more minutes like this and we'll be a happy bunch of Sooners!
 
43-37 at the half.

T'Ona hitting threes? She has three at the half.

Posts looking good. Peyton looking good. Maddie 10, Edwards 9, Peyton 7.

Carter can't play defense. Vivi, Chelsea, and Gioya with two fouls each.

We started lethargic. T'Ona and Maddie hit a couple of threes each to throw some gas on the fire. But, we keep letting someone get away for a layup.
 
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