Anybody else peeved we are playing AT Dayton?

[jackson_supersooner]

It's not there home floor...stop with the excuses and win the game

I like your confidence in me but I will have little to do with the result of the game.

 

[chuckb]

I like your confidence in me but I will have little to do with the result of the game.

Right. So what good does it get to get pissed about it?

 

[SoopaSooner]

the only ones who would be cheering for OU would be the few OU fans and support staff who were in attendance. The rest would be cheering for Dayton anyway.

It's just a fact. accept it.

There's a difference between cheering for an underdog of another team and cheering for your team along with 3/4 of the crowd. It's not going to be easy. Dayton went to the Elite 8 last season with most of the same guys.

 

[jackson_supersooner]

Honestly more worried about the whistles following the crowd and as we know Dayton is big with getting to the line. I guess we don't need to hear ANYONES excuses about the refs calls tomorrow then. Just excuses. Win the dam game. Agree fellas!

 

[AltSooner33]

the only ones who would be cheering for OU would be the few OU fans and support staff who were in attendance. The rest would be cheering for Dayton anyway.

It's just a fact. accept it.

That doesn't answer the question. You really think the rest that might be cheering for Dayton is really the same as an arena full of actual Dayton fans? That's ridiculous if you do. It's not an excuse. Everyone knows it is what it is and we have to play there anyway. I still have good confidence our boys will pull it out. All I'm saying is I believe it was a horrible job by the selection committee to reward them like that.

 

[jackson_supersooner]

The game is in Columbus, Ohio, not Dayton. While Dayton will have a home court advantage in fan support, it is not their home court.

Besides, it is what it is. We can moan and complain for hours on end, and it will make no difference. The Sooners need to play hard, with focus and determination, and they must execute. That is true no matter the location or opponent. NCAA wins are tough to achieve.

It was more of a "might as well be" type statement but I guess you can be literal google maps.

 

[jackson_supersooner]

That doesn't answer the question. You really think the rest that might be cheering for Dayton is really the same as an arena full of actual Dayton fans? That's ridiculous if you do. It's not an excuse. Everyone knows it is what it is and we have to play there anyway. I still have good confidence our boys will pull it out. All I'm saying is I believe it was a horrible job by the selection committee to reward them like that.

Boom! No excuses I just think it needs to be fixed. If you asked our boys "hey would you like to play at OKC or in Ohio?" I'm PREEEEEETTY sure they maaaaay say OKC. It's an advantage. I don't care if we were playing Albany at their place I'm just saying it's an advantage and it's not fair for a team to go work their @$$ off for a 3 seed only to play a team 60 minutes from their gym. Our guys should ABSOLUTELU win. But that wasn't what the title says. All it says is anyone else peeved about it?

 

[MercedeSooner]

Dayton would have lost to Boise if that game was played on a neutral court. They have the right to be the most pissed about all this right now.

 

[SoonerBred]

I believe we got in a great bracket so I would move on and not let it be a crutch.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

It is what it is. Get over it.

You're just setting up an excuse in case we lose tomorrow.

A person doesn't have to be naïve to understand basketball dynamics.

Generally, the officials are affected by the home crowd - just as they were in the Dayton game yesterday. Dayton shot 30 free throws, Providence shot only 7. That determined the game no matter what else happened. And that is the scenario over 72% of the time for home teams.

Officials are human and subject to human frailties. You recall how fans almost always see a call through what is best for their teams? Officials don't somehow lose those kind of biases when they put on the stripes. They are affected by the home crowd. That is why a 3 seed should not have to play in a road environment to a "play in" team.

Some folks may like to claim that is not the case, but the NCAA says you are wrong. That is why they have set up the system so better teams are not required to play "road" games to weaker opponents. It destroys the neutral affect of the seedings and tournament. When it is allowed on a few occasions it makes a mockery of the idea of a "fair" tournament. The problem is the committee sometimes messes things up and lets it happens. The committee members are not always all that wise or smart. And of course some of them are susceptible to their own biases. You were in classes with people just like some of them. Think about that.

 

[scrybe]

Right you are, SOUG.

 

[jackson_supersooner]

A person doesn't have to be naïve to understand basketball dynamics.

Generally, the officials are affected by the home crowd - just as they were in the Dayton game yesterday. Dayton shot 30 free throws, Providence shot only 7. That determined the game no matter what else happened. And that is the scenario over 72% of the time for home teams.

Officials are human and subject to human frailties. You recall how fans almost always see a call through what is best for their teams? Officials don't somehow lose those kind of biases when they put on the stripes. They are affected by the home crowd. That is why a 3 seed should not have to play in a road environment to a "play in" team.

Some folks may like to claim that is not the case, but the NCAA says you are wrong. That is why they have set up the system so better teams are not required to play "road" games to weaker opponents. It destroys the neutral affect of the seedings and tournament. When it is allowed on a few occasions it makes a mockery of the idea of a "fair" tournament. The problem is the committee sometimes messes things up and lets it happens. The committee members are not always all that wise or smart. And of course some of them are susceptible to their own biases. You were in classes with people just like some of them. Think about that.

Preach!!!

 

[SoopaSooner]

A person doesn't have to be naïve to understand basketball dynamics.

Generally, the officials are affected by the home crowd - just as they were in the Dayton game yesterday. Dayton shot 30 free throws, Providence shot only 7. That determined the game no matter what else happened. And that is the scenario over 72% of the time for home teams.

Officials are human and subject to human frailties. You recall how fans almost always see a call through what is best for their teams? Officials don't somehow lose those kind of biases when they put on the stripes. They are affected by the home crowd. That is why a 3 seed should not have to play in a road environment to a "play in" team.

Some folks may like to claim that is not the case, but the NCAA says you are wrong. That is why they have set up the system so better teams are not required to play "road" games to weaker opponents. It destroys the neutral affect of the seedings and tournament. When it is allowed on a few occasions it makes a mockery of the idea of a "fair" tournament. The problem is the committee sometimes messes things up and lets it happens. The committee members are not always all that wise or smart. And of course some of them are susceptible to their own biases. You were in classes with people just like some of them. Think about that.

This board needs a like button. :clap

 

[coolm]

omg get over it

 

[chuckb]

A person doesn't have to be naïve to understand basketball dynamics.

Generally, the officials are affected by the home crowd - just as they were in the Dayton game yesterday. Dayton shot 30 free throws, Providence shot only 7. That determined the game no matter what else happened. And that is the scenario over 72% of the time for home teams.

Officials are human and subject to human frailties. You recall how fans almost always see a call through what is best for their teams? Officials don't somehow lose those kind of biases when they put on the stripes. They are affected by the home crowd. That is why a 3 seed should not have to play in a road environment to a "play in" team.

Some folks may like to claim that is not the case, but the NCAA says you are wrong. That is why they have set up the system so better teams are not required to play "road" games to weaker opponents. It destroys the neutral affect of the seedings and tournament. When it is allowed on a few occasions it makes a mockery of the idea of a "fair" tournament. The problem is the committee sometimes messes things up and lets it happens. The committee members are not always all that wise or smart. And of course some of them are susceptible to their own biases. You were in classes with people just like some of them. Think about that.

All of this is true and yet none of it matters.

Should Dayton have been given games within an hour of their home? No. Does it matter? Absolutely not because that's where the game is.

The home crowd is going to be for the underdog anyway which means, obviously, that they're likely to get more calls as a result.

Winning in March is about overcoming adversity -- players not playing well, foul trouble, bad calls, whatever. We have no control over where the tournament committee -- of which our own AD, by the way, was a member -- scheduled our games. The only thing our team controls is how we play.

If we play well, we'll win. If we don't, we won't. It's pretty much that simple. And if we lose, it won't be because the game is in Ohio. It'll be because we didn't take care of the ball, make shots, rebound, defend dribble penetration, or match their energy. Whining about where the game is being played, when the bracket is set up pretty well for us, is establishing an excuse, just in case. It doesn't matter. Our job is to win, regardless of who or where we play. Period.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

All of this is true and yet none of it matters.

Should Dayton have been given games within an hour of their home? No. Does it matter? Absolutely not because that's where the game is.

The home crowd is going to be for the underdog anyway which means, obviously, that they're likely to get more calls as a result.

Winning in March is about overcoming adversity -- players not playing well, foul trouble, bad calls, whatever. We have no control over where the tournament committee -- of which our own AD, by the way, was a member -- scheduled our games. The only thing our team controls is how we play.

If we play well, we'll win. If we don't, we won't. It's pretty much that simple. And if we lose, it won't be because the game is in Ohio. It'll be because we didn't take care of the ball, make shots, rebound, defend dribble penetration, or match their energy. Whining about where the game is being played, when the bracket is set up pretty well for us, is establishing an excuse, just in case. It doesn't matter. Our job is to win, regardless of who or where we play. Period.

Your concept is accurate but you are using the wrong word/phrase. It does matter. It has an impact on who wins the game. Just like a team shooting 15% from the field or 95% from the field matters.

The phrase you are trying to discuss is "Can we do anything about it at this point?". Of course you are correct - we cannot. But it does matter. That is why the NCAA is attempting to keep it from happening. But the committee failed this time. What we do not know is why they failed. I would assume our AD was out of the room when they discussed things effecting OU - but there is no way to know if or when such excusals really happen - or what kind of discussions/tradeoffs happen between members when someone leaves the room. I am not even suggesting Joe C. did anything wrong - just that we don't know - and should keep him out of this discussion.

By the way, it isn't about where we were sent. It is about where Dayton was sent.

 

[playmakr]

I was at the Dayton-Providence game last night and it was very loud for Dayton, they had most of the arena. It will be a tough environment to win in.

Now, one thing that may help is the timing of the games tomorrow. Last night, Dayton fans took a lot of the seats/tickets of Albany and OU fans not sticking around for 2nd game. West Virginia fans (which there a lot of here) and Maryland fans (also a decent amount) aren't going to be doing that as they are the 2nd game. I can't imagine there will be as much as an advantageous tomorrow for Dayton was there was Friday. It was defeaning at times.

Also, chatting with some WVU fans, they will be pulling for OU.

It's not an excuse if OU loses, but it's a factor.

As an aside, the comparison of neutral fans cheering for an underdog vs. home team fans is ridiculous and ignorant. It's close to the dumbest things I've read in a long while.

 

[WTSooner]

By the way, it isn't about where we were sent. It is about where Dayton was sent.

Actually, we do know. Dayton was in a play in game. They probably decided well before they knew that, that the play in game winner would get bracketed to stay in Dayton. Pretty sure they are very conscious of where they send the team that has to play on Wednesday. It has to be a Friday site. And it has to be one that can accommodate whatever seeding Dayton (or the other team) needed to have.

This isn't rocket science. It also isn't some conspiracy. The NCAA Committee came out and said a couple of years ago they wanted to try to keep ALL teams closer to home, as reasonably possible as the situation(s) allowed for.

Edit: Btw, Dayton was the only 11 seed to play on Friday. So even if it could have been done for other reasons, there was no other Friday site to send them to.

And as for the play-in games, you know those are always in Dayton, right?

 

[chuckb]

Your concept is accurate but you are using the wrong word/phrase. It does matter. It has an impact on who wins the game. Just like a team shooting 15% from the field or 95% from the field matters.

The phrase you are trying to discuss is "Can we do anything about it at this point?". Of course you are correct - we cannot. But it does matter. That is why the NCAA is attempting to keep it from happening. But the committee failed this time. What we do not know is why they failed. I would assume our AD was out of the room when they discussed things effecting OU - but there is no way to know if or when such excusals really happen - or what kind of discussions/tradeoffs happen between members when someone leaves the room. I am not even suggesting Joe C. did anything wrong - just that we don't know - and should keep him out of this discussion.

By the way, it isn't about where we were sent. It is about where Dayton was sent.

First, Joe C was undoubtedly in the room when Dayton's bracket was drawn up. He leaves the room whe OU is discussed, not when Dayton is discussed. So if we lose, we can blame our own AD.

Second, fine...you're right. It does matter. But it shouldn't matter to us. If our players are as concerned with it as our fans are, we're going to get smoked tomorrow.

I can guarantee that if we lose, there will be about 19 threads here about how unfair our bracket was, about the refs, about how Dayton shouldn't have been playing east of the Mississippi, etc. It'll be one excuse after another.

We haven't even played yet and already we're looking for excuses for why we'll lose.

 

[WTSooner]

I can guarantee that if we lose, there will be about 19 threads here about how unfair our bracket was, about the refs, about how Dayton shouldn't have been playing east of the Mississippi, etc. It'll be one excuse after another.

We haven't even played yet and already we're looking for excuses for why we'll lose.

Yep. Forget the fact we drew the weakest 1 seed, the weakest 2 seed, and will end up playing an 11 seed in the second round. If our boys can't be Dayton in their home state, we don't deserve a Sweet 16 bid. Simple as that. Some of you are talking about beating Virginia, or were talking about beating Nova down the road. Those teams on neutral courts will be MUCH tougher games than Dayton in their home state.