Best post duo in OU history

An honorable mention post duo would be Don Sidle and Garfield Heard back in '68. Sidle is probably the best "overlooked" former Sooner player. He was an All-American F/C in both '67 and '68 when he averaged 23.7 and 19.8 ppg, respectively. He opted to play his professional career in the ABA instead of the NBA. Heard was a sophomore on that '68 team and averaged 11.9 ppg, and he went on to a 15 year NBA career.

Heard also played with Clifford Ray in '69 and '70, so that duo deserves to be mentioned, too. Ray went on to a very successful 11 year NBA career and actually was a starter for the Warriors when they won the NBA title, and led the team defensively and in rebounding.

All 3 players played in an era where scoring wasn't very high.

A 3rd duo worth mentioning would be Wayman Tisdale and Choo Kennedy although Choo was an undersized forward.

Well done. I had no clue.

I graduated from OU in '69 so I went to many games in the old field house watching those older players. That was back in the day when freshmen couldn't play. It was also during the time of the Viet Nam war and I served in the Marine Reserve unit in Norman, and sometimes assigned as the radio operator for Bob "Go Go" Stevens who was a former head basketball coach of the Sooners and later worked in the athletic department administration.

Players like Don Sidle were really good. He was 6'8" and very quick and smooth….. he died too young at the age of 40. Gar Heard was a little smoother Naajera type player …. and a couple of inches shorter. Clifford Ray was just a big, gangly very good defender but not much of an offensive threat. Alvin Adams was a very smooth player. I watched his first game in the field house when he had 28 rebounds in a game, but he was really a finesse player who could get physical if he needed to. Another combo would have been Choo Kennedy and Wayman ….. but you were maybe around those days.

Interesting story about post players from the 60's-70's. One of my best friends from HS was 6'9" and a very good athlete. He dominated the intramural ranks and the Sooners were always after him to come out for the team, and he often would scrimmage against the freshman teams. He was also a good student and didn't want to take the time for practice and travel. After graduation he went to work for IBM and became a division president (EVP). He retired a wealthy man and still follows the Sooners.
 
TMac and Wayman played two seasons together, but the former was a 2-guard, not a post player. Wayman and Dave Johnson would be the 2nd best post duo I can remember. The third should have been Najera and Humphrey, though neither was a center and one didn't like playing inside. Therefore, #3 was William Davis and Jackie Jones in the 89-90 season, even though Jones was more of a stretch-four and Davis was undersized. They were more than effective, though.

Agreed and I would say Al Beal and Terry Stotts were pretty good too.

Damon Patterson, Webster and Sallier were pretty good too. Any 2 of those 3. You can include Patterson with William "Cheese" Davis and Jackie JOnes. Patterson played more inside than Jones.
 
Stacey King was so good as an upperclassman, that it is easy to forget that he was really somewhat of a “project” when he arrived at OU. In Stacey King’s freshman season (1985-86), he played behind junior post players Darryl “Choo” Kennedy (6-5, 215) and David Johnson (6-7, 238). Then in Stacey’s sophomore season, he was the 4th post player behind seniors Choo Kennedy and David Johnson, and JUCO transfer Harvey Grant.

It is interesting to look at Stacey’s progression over his four year OU career.

1985-86 (Fr, 6-10, 215) .. 6.0 ppg; 3.8 rpg; 1.9 bpg
1986-87 (So, 6-10, 228) .. 7.0 ppg; 3.8 rpg; 0.9 bpg
1987-88 (Jr, 6-10, 229) .. 22.3 ppg; 8.5 rpg; 2.6 bpg
1988-89 (Sr, 6-11, 232) .. 26.0 ppg; 10.1 rpg; 2.3 bpg

As he matured at OU, Stacey got bigger, stronger and better. He did this while playing behind older post players as a freshman and sophomore.

What is past is prologue.


Not exactly true. Stacey was a fairly high ranked player coming out of Lawton, and had offers from bigger name schools; Kansas, G-town, etc. In todays rankings he would probably be a 4 star ranked in the top 50-75 players in the country. That's hardly the definition of a project. Now did he make a huge jump from Soph to Jr. season?? Heck yeah!!! No one expected that!
 
I remember Stacey's mother was mad when Billy Tubbs sent a limo to pick him up on his official visit. She didn't want Stacey to get the big head ….
 
I remember Stacy as being green, with a lot to learn. He was still learning as a senior, but pretty good.

Stacy and Harvey may have been the best.

Alvan and anyone might have been up there. I give him credit for giving some credibility to OU basketball.
 
King and Grant are defintely #1...not even close.

Some other really good ones:

Cheese Davis and Jackie Jones - Cheese averaged 17 pt and Jones averaged 15 pt per game during the 1990 season on an OU team that finished the reg season ranked #1 in the polls!

Bryan Sallier and Jeff Webster - Sallier was a hoss on the boards and could get you 13+ pts/game and 9 rebs. Webster was simply a scorer deleux, with one of the best turnaround jumpers in OU history. Webster is often overlooked IMO, but make no mistake, he was a fabulous player and was a McD's AA who all the big boys wanted.

And one that could have challenged King and Grant.....but never happened....

Anthony Cade & Jeff Webster - Cade was a McD's AA and a 6'10" post who was absolutley a freak athlete. He averaged 26 pts and 13 rebs as a frosh in juco at Connors St. He played at Connors with Angelo Hamilton and commited and signed to play at OU, but signed with an agent about a month later. I believe his grades were questionable, which led to this decision.
 
I remember Stacy as being green, with a lot to learn. He was still learning as a senior, but pretty good.

He was Big 8 player of the year, a consensus All American, Sporting News Player of the year and the number 6 overall draft choice. He averaged 26 points and 10.1 rebounds per game as a senior. As a junior he averaged 22.3 points per game and 8.5 rebounds.

What was he still learning?
 
He was Big 8 player of the year, a consensus All American, Sporting News Player of the year and the number 6 overall draft choice. He averaged 26 points and 10.1 rebounds per game as a senior. As a junior he averaged 22.3 points per game and 8.5 rebounds.

What was he still learning?

No matter the profession, the best continue to learn throughout their careers. With all the accolades Stacey earned at OU, his numbers in the NBA were not very impressive.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3755/stacey-king

When he departed OU, I thought he would have been a more productive pro. He did start 63 of his 438 NBA games, and he made a bunch of money.
 
Stacy did have the advantage of having others on the team. But, in the pros, he was not really instrumental or a key player to their championships. Clifford Ray was a very key figure as a starter on the Golden State team that won the title. Barry did the scoring, but Ray got the rebounds and was the defensive interior. Adams never won, but he came close, and he was the central figure. King reached his heights in college.
 
He was Big 8 player of the year, a consensus All American, Sporting News Player of the year and the number 6 overall draft choice. He averaged 26 points and 10.1 rebounds per game as a senior. As a junior he averaged 22.3 points per game and 8.5 rebounds.

What was he still learning?


He was pretty raw coming out of Lawton High, and I think he wasn't even on the DOK's "Super Five" team for 1985 boys' basketball. His touch really improved between the '85 Oklahoma All-State game and his junior year at OU. I saw that game up in Tulsa that summer, and he scored something like five points, although to be fair the West team's guards were ball-hogs that night.
 
The King and Grant combo was great. People forget that Harvey was a great defender and passer. He really excelled in the high post only Adams was better. He was the best high post in the NBA for years.
 
I wish we could have gotten one of Harvey Grant's 3 sons to come to OU. All 3 played D1. Jerian played for Notre Dame this year and will be a 1st round NBA pick. Jerai played for Clemson and is playing internationally. Jerami played at Syracuse and currently playing in the NBA for the 76ers.
 
Wayman Tisdale and Choo Kennedy made a pretty decent duo ...

Yes, but there weren't many minutes where they were on the floor together playing the 4 & 5. David Johnson was also a starter, and more times than not, all three were on the court together. Whereas Choo could play down low in stretches, Johnson was a pure inside player. Since Choo was listed a 6'5", he played mostly the 3 until his later in his career when he stepped inside more (as Dave Sieger got better). I used to get the Sporting News annual college hoops guide. Going into his senior year, Choo was projected as the 4th best small forward in the country.
 
Yes, but there weren't many minutes where they were on the floor together playing the 4 & 5. David Johnson was also a starter, and more times than not, all three were on the court together. Whereas Choo could play down low in stretches, Johnson was a pure inside player. Since Choo was listed a 6'5", he played mostly the 3 until his later in his career when he stepped inside more (as Dave Sieger got better). I used to get the Sporting News annual college hoops guide. Going into his senior year, Choo was projected as the 4th best small forward in the country.

DJ was a gamer and he was a wide body which helped him create space.

He was also a great HS pitcher. Many thought he had a better future in MLB than in basketball but growing up in Wyandotte County Kansas, basketball was his favorite sport.

Billy Packer used to love DJ.
 
I wish we could have gotten one of Harvey Grant's 3 sons to come to OU. All 3 played D1. Jerian played for Notre Dame this year and will be a 1st round NBA pick. Jerai played for Clemson and is playing internationally. Jerami played at Syracuse and currently playing in the NBA for the 76ers.

I wish Harvey's twin brother would have followed him to OU instead of going to Clemson. Imagine both Grants in the line up!
 
I wish Harvey's twin brother would have followed him to OU instead of going to Clemson. Imagine both Grants in the line up!

Actually, Harvey followed Horace to Clemson but they redshirted Harvey his 1st year, and he only got to play 15 minutes/game his RS freshman year. That's when he transferred and played a year of juco before coming to OU.

I do agree with you that having both Horace and Harvey would have been awesome.
 
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