Best post duo in OU history

[Big Old Booger]

Actually, Harvey followed Horace to Clemson but they redshirted Harvey his 1st year, and he only got to play 15 minutes/game his RS freshman year. That's when he transferred and played a year of juco before coming to OU.

I do agree with you that having both Horace and Harvey would have been awesome.

That's correct.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I say it's Blake Griffin and t.Griffin/pattillo.

Blake Griffin was great, outstanding actually, but Taylor Griffin and/or Patillo wouldn't have started ahead of many names mentioned in this thread.

Surely, you are joking right?

 

[WaymanFan]

DJ was a gamer and he was a wide body which helped him create space.

He was also a great HS pitcher. Many thought he had a better future in MLB than in basketball but growing up in Wyandotte County Kansas, basketball was his favorite sport.

Billy Packer used to love DJ.

David Johnson scored 31 points against Duke in Cameron. I'm guessing not too many visitors have been able to make that claim.

 

[bgrch1350]

Blake Griffin was great, outstanding actually, but Taylor Griffin and/or Patillo wouldn't have started ahead of many names mentioned in this thread.

Surely, you are joking right?

Blake Griffin and whoever you put next to him is the best post duo. Not joking.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Blake Griffin and whoever you put next to him is the best post duo. Not joking.

So, BG and someone who wasn't drafted is better than 2 first round draft picks?

I'm not sure that BG is/was better than Wayman and I can assure you TG isn't better than David Johnson.

So, at best they (BG and TG) are 3rd and that's debatable.

 

[usedtobe1]

Blake Griffin and whoever you put next to him is the best post duo. Not joking.

Out of curiosity, did you ever see Alvan Adams or Wayman Tisdale teams play? More importantly, did you follow OU basketball in the '88 season with Grant & King in the post? Both NBA 1st rounders with long careers. That was the season OU was the NCAA runner-up. Grant and King both averaged over 21 points/game and 9 rebounds/game.

I'm not joking either when I say OU has had other good post players besides Blake. Blake was great, but he isn't heads and shoulders above the others. It's at least a good debate.

 

[sybarite]

Was Blake a post? The good posts that I have seen were included:

Stacy King: long career with the Bulls, mostly in reserve
Alvan Adams: long career with Phoenix, almost all as a starter, generally regarded as one of the top passers from the post position in history.
Clifford Ray: Was good in college. Then, he helped Golden State to an NBA title by being the interior defense and rebounding on a team that featured Rick Berry as the scorer. Without Ray, they don't win. Good big man tutor.
Don Sidle: Pretty solid post. Probably wasn't the equal of King, Adams, and Ray. But, he was one of the first to help OU re-establish a program. He was good.
Al Beal: helped get OU's program rebuilt.

 

[bgrch1350]

So, BG and someone who wasn't drafted is better than 2 first round draft picks?

I'm not sure that BG is/was better than Wayman and I can assure you TG isn't better than David Johnson.

So, at best they (BG and TG) are 3rd and that's debatable.

Taylor Griffin was drafted

 

[BigTime]

Taylor Griffin was drafted

2nd round to the Pheonix Suns

 

[bgrch1350]

Out of curiosity, did you ever see Alvan Adams or Wayman Tisdale teams play? More importantly, did you follow OU basketball in the '88 season with Grant & King in the post? Both NBA 1st rounders with long careers. That was the season OU was the NCAA runner-up. Grant and King both averaged over 21 points/game and 9 rebounds/game.

I'm not joking either when I say OU has had other good post players besides Blake. Blake was great, but he isn't heads and shoulders above the others. It's at least a good debate.

You make a good argument

My argument is this. OU vs UNC. Griffin, Pattillo, and T.Griffin vs Hansbrough, Thompson, and David. Last year's poy vs this year's poy.

Blake 23 pts, 16rbs
Pattillo 9 pts, 6rbs
Taylor 4 pts, 2rbs

Hansbrough 8pts, 6rbs
Thompson 10pts, 1 rb
Davis 4pts, 3rbs

UNC won the game but OU dominated the post and made Hansbrough not look so great.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

Not exactly true. Stacey was a fairly high ranked player coming out of Lawton, and had offers from bigger name schools; Kansas, G-town, etc. In todays rankings he would probably be a 4 star ranked in the top 50-75 players in the country. That's hardly the definition of a project. Now did he make a huge jump from Soph to Jr. season?? Heck yeah!!! No one expected that!

You may be correct. I have no idea how highly ranked Stacey was coming out of high school. All I know is that I saw every home game he played at OU; and as a freshman and sophomore he did not look anything like today's 4-star post players. He looked like a young, raw basketball player. Nothing special at all.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

This thread is full of some good stuff. Unless you saw them play with your own eyes, it is almost impossible to truly appreciate how good some of the former Sooner players were. I cannot really opine on players like Garfield Heard, Don Sidle, Clifford Ray, or even Alvan Adams, as they preceded my timeframe as a fan. They had to be terrific players.

Don Sidle is still 10th on the all-time OU career scoring list, even though freshmen were not allowed to play back in the 1960s when he was at OU. He averaged 20.4 ppg over his 3-year OU career, and scored 1,548 points. From the OU Press Guide:

10. Don Sidle (1,548)
One of OU’s first “big men” ... Captured All-American honors in 1967 and 1968 ... Also named to the Big Eight All-Conference squads those seasons ... Ended his career owning 11 school records, including most points (1,548) and rebounds (767) ... Ranks third in career scoring average (20.4 ppg) ... First player in modern OU history to score more than 40 points in a game (42 vs. Missouri in 1968)

Does anyone realistically think that we might look back in a few years and add another post duo to this discussion? While raw in basketball skills, the up and coming guys have size and athleticism.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

Don Sidle is still 10th on the all-time OU career scoring list, even though freshmen were not allowed to play back in the 1960s when he was at OU.

Someone might correct me if this is incorrect. Since he only played 3 seasons, I assumed this was the reason why.

 

[usedtobe1]

Don Sidle is still 10th on the all-time OU career scoring list, even though freshmen were not allowed to play back in the 1960s when he was at OU.

Someone might correct me if this is incorrect. Since he only played 3 seasons, I assumed this was the reason why.

You're correct Traveler. Don Sidle could not play varsity basketball as a freshman….. and couldn't count it as a redshirt year. The fall of 1972 was the first time freshmen could play varsity football or basketball except during the war. That meant Alvan Adams played as a true freshman in 1972-1973. The OU football and basketball teams actually had a freshman team and scheduled games against other freshmen teams. My freshman roommate was on the football team and I think they had something like 3 games (Tulsa, OSU, etc.). I had another friend who was a good intramural basketball player that would regularly scrimmage against the freshmen….. I don't remember there being roster limits …… especially in football.

The NCAA had historically prohibited freshmen from varsity competition, except during the US involvement in World War II. In 1968, the NCAA allowed freshman eligibility in all sports, except football and basketball, and extended the rule to those sports effective with the 1972-73 academic year.

I cannot really opine on players like Garfield Heard, Don Sidle, Clifford Ray, or even Alvan Adams, as they preceded my timeframe as a fan. They had to be terrific players.

I was fortunate enough to see all those players play live at OU, since I graduated in '69. You could walk in the old Fieldhouse and sit at mid-court and watch most games. We used to have a poster called "OUhighjumper" or something like that who played in the 60's. He actually played basketball and was also a high jumper on the track & field team…. I won't mention his name but some of you know it or can figure it out. In a series of PM messages he told me the players from that era would get together for a mini-reunion every year at one of the home football games. It sure would be fun to hear some of their stories.

Don Sidle was a terrific player. It was a big deal that he was an All-American for 2 years in a row at a non-power school like OU. I know he died at an early age (40) and think it was due to an illness …. not an accident. I also think that's why he only played in the ABA for 4 years. He was the best OU player I saw until Alvan Adams came along….. and I was at Adams' first OU game when he got the 28 rebounds but that's another story.

 

[stoopified]

Wayman Tisdale and Choo Kennedy made a pretty decent duo ...

Post duo those teams Tisdale -David Johnson

 

[SoonerTraveler]

Thanks usedtobe1. The history of OU athletics is fascinating. If you decide to write a book, I'll buy it.

So sad that Don Sidle died so young.

 

[sybarite]

I believe that the 28 rebounds is still the OU record for rebounds in a game.

I also remember King as being very green in his first two years.

Sidle was rather smooth for a post. He and Willie Rogers almost came from Dallas as a tandem, but from different schools. They worked together well.