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this is the comp that works ... Buddy has a chance to be a better version of Reddick
ie a close to 20 ppg scoring starting 2 guard on a playoff team
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this is the comp that works ... Buddy has a chance to be a better version of Reddick
ie a close to 20 ppg scoring starting 2 guard on a playoff team
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New Orleans was too centered around AD and limited his minutes. Sacramento's played him a lot and it's paid off.
NOLA has a terrible coach and a terrible system. If you watched Buddy at NOLA, he'd run to the corner and stand there, because the gameplan was space the floor and feed AD.
At SAC, he starts running to the corner, and then runs off several screens to try and get open. SAC likes it when you feed the post, but also likes having good guards. When watching SAC's offense, I get a similar vibe in how Buddy moves as he did at OU. Down-screens, cross-screens, etc. to get open
I really liked the Kings' draft for Buddy. Fox should make it easier for Buddy to get some open looks. He should also be a great defender, so he won't have an extra defensive load put on him like some of the more offensive-minded PG's would. With Labissiere, WCS, and now Giles, it's hard to imagine that the Kings don't have a great big eventually. Betting on any of them individually is inadvisable, but somebody should emerge from the group. Jackson and Mason could quickly become quality rotation players that don't threaten Buddy's job.
I still don't see them making the playoffs this year (my opinion would be different if they played in the Eastern Conference), but they should be more competitive for sure. The Kings have 5 guys who play Buddy's position, so I didn't expect them to draft more two-guards. The Cousins trade landed them not only Buddy, but Tyreke Evans and Langston Galloway. They also have Ben McLemore and Garrett Temple, though they play with a three-guard lineup frequently. The key to that Cousins trade was clearly Buddy Hield. He averaged 15 PPG in Sacramento, and the Kings are expecting that average to increase.
You correctly pointed out that they should be better in the low-post. Once Cousins was gone, there just wasn't much there. The Draft hopefully helped them in that area, but it will take some time for them to gel. The 2017-2018 season comes down to how quickly Fox acclimates plus how much Buddy and Labissiere improve. Like many on this board, I will be following (and rooting for) the Kings closely.
I completely agree that they're not a playoff team this year. Probably not next year, either. It's just interesting to see how they've gone from a hopeless franchise to a team bounding with young talent in just a few months.
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And Buddy makes all rookie 1st team. No surprise:
http://www.nba.com/article/2017/06/26/all-rookie-teams-release-2016-17-season
http://www.nba.com/article/2017/06/26/all-rookie-teams-release-2016-17-season
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Great news!
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Thanks for posting the results. Buddy got the 4th most votes, which I believe was fair. Without looking up their ages, I don't believe any of them was under 22. I'm curious to see where guys like Brown, Chriss, Murray and Ingram are in three years compared to Buddy.
This past year may (or may not) have been an anomaly, but I can't help but think the Commish noticed the advanced ages of the best rookies in 2017. He already came out and said that the one-and done is not working (and by and large, it's not). I'm curious to see what transpires.
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I don't know if there is a perfect solution. Mine would be more an MLB type solution. HS students can go pro but if you go to college you must stay at least 2 or 3 years. I'm not sure which. But it's gotta be more than 1 year. If you don't hire an agent you can chose to withdraw if you go undrafted and go back to college.
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Brogden won rookie of the year...if you look at per 36, buddy is right there with him. I'm not sure how Brogden performed throughout the year but I know Buddy had a rough start in NO...so this is really impressive to be compared with the rookie of the year winner
Older rookies have a pretty clear advantage in terms of ROY, which really isn't that important in the long run. At the end of the day, nothing prepares you to succeed in the NBA like the NBA. I thought that debate was settled in the 2009 NBA finals where hardly any of the key players had NCAA experience. Lack of NCAA experience never seemed to hinder the likes of Kobe, KG, Lebron, T-Mac, Amare, etc.
Brogden was definitely more consistent throughout the year. Since he was a 2nd round pick, the Bucks have to be ecstatic about drafting him even if his ceiling is low. That guy was ready to play in November. That said, Buddy in Sacramento was definitely better than Brogden, and I think Buddy will be better next year. Embiid was light years the best rookie, but you can't fault those who didn't vote for him based on only playing 31 games.
Buddy stayed all 4 years at OU. He and Brogdon came in to the NBA with the same amount of college experience, so the learning curve should not have been as bad as it was for Buddy. But I am hopeful he has figured it out, even if, like Brogdon, the ceiling is not terribly high for Hield.
One and done works just fine. The league just wants colleges to train these kids and weed out the chaff for free. Except the league is the one with billions of dollars in annual revenue, and the ones that can pay these players. It doesn't hurt college, either. If you want to win a title you're better off building a team of guys who are going to stick around and develop, and maybe supplementing them with a big time one and done player like Jahlil Okafor.
The players in today's league grew up in one and done, and aside from KD's sorry ass disrupting league balance, the product is as good as it has ever been.
The players in today's league grew up in one and done, and aside from KD's sorry ass disrupting league balance, the product is as good as it has ever been.
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Buddy is averaging about 17 per game in summer league thus far thru 3 games. Kings have lost all 3 but they were all pretty close.
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