Can you guys explain some Trump things to me?

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WTSooner said:
Wrong. Somebody posted the picture of his hair in the wind. Equally making fun of it, and his "tan".

And the comment didn't suggest it only happens here, but off this board, his hair gets made fun of quite a bit.
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I think it was stormspencer who made a spot on point where people believe what they want regardless of whether it is based in reality or not. You hit the "bullseye" with your response.
 
sheepdogs1 said:
I think it was stormspencer who made a spot on point where people believe what they want regardless of whether it is based in reality or not. You hit the "bullseye" with your response.
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Do you fall into that category or are you special?
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
he very may well be
But shouldn't we be tolerant of stupid people?

Really though, before covid hit, things were looking mighty fine. Especially considering all of the Left's attempts to get him out of office. It really is amazing that he accomplished anything with all the distractions
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I think this is a critical point in bridging an understanding between the two sides... I hear this a lot, that things were going so well.

Except, to a liberal, they weren't. Not because they didn't want Trump to get credit for achieving success, but because the measurements of success are different.... we aren't even playing the same game.

He was mostly meeting measures of success based on what conservatives want.... but nothing he was doing was changing paradigm in a way that "we" want.... I use the term we loosely, given that I don't speak for all liberals.

  • Trump/GOP aren't going to implement Medicare for everyone.
  • Trump/GOP aren't going to implement a green energy policy.
  • Trump/GOP aren't going to implement a progressive tax plan.
  • Trump/GOP aren't going to do what I want to see in public education.
  • Trump/GOP aren't going to do what I want to see with the military.
  • Trump isn't going roll out the kind of foreign policy I want to see.
  • Trump/GOP isn't going to make the systemic changes to our democracy that I want to see
  • Trump/GOP isn't going to make the changes I want to see to Social Security

I could go on for another 50 lines, but you get the idea. Basically, the liberal side and conservative side are so philosophically different at this point that neither side can appease the other. Let's say we get a blue wave in the new election or two..... and you see the following:

  • Everyone gets Medicare, and we finally join the rest of the world....
  • Tax plan is changed and income inequality is greatly reduced...
  • That extra tax revenue starts working in our schools, police departments, and communities....
  • We lift the income cap on social security and expand the program
  • We make common-sense changes to save the USPS, and even expand services like Postal Banking and other services
  • We overturn Citizens United and get big corporate money out of democracy
  • We start implementing a national energy policy around green energy
  • We end all the wars and bring all the troops home


That would be massive victory for someone like me, but I suspect you would be kicking and screaming the whole way. You don't want to expand Social Security... You don't want a different tax system... You don't want more investments in public education.... You don't want to overturn Citizens United.... You don't want to have Medicare guaranteed to you.... You don't want to spend less on the military.... etc

I don't mean that in a bad way, I am just saying we want different things..

You guys are spiking the football because the DOW is high and unemployment being low is seemingly your only measure of economic success, or, at the very least, the things that are very important to you. But he isn't actively working on hardly anything that I would consider changes the paradigm of living in America, for the better.

Unemployment was at like 4.5% when Trump took over... The economy had added jobs for 75 straight months when Trump came in. I am not saying his tax plan didn't juice the economy, I am just saying, he gets an awful lot of credit (and claims even more) for something that was already setup for him... Unemployment was low, jobs were growing for 75 straight months... I mean, that's just a fact. And none of that was changing the absurd inequality we have, and in fact, the tax plan just makes it worse.

They absolutely took a step in the right direction on Criminal Justice Reform, and that is an issue of critical importance to me... and I support that. But he's essentially never going to work toward the things that most liberals want. It's not what he wants, it's not what his voters want, it's not what his party wants... It's not because they are evil, it's because they have a drastically different vision of the country.

At the end of the day, I guess that's the problem. When two sides don't want the same thing, someone has to win... I wish we generally wanted the same things because then we could all work together to build something great, but that doesn't appear to be true. So instead, we have to fight everything out and someone has to win and someone has to lose.
 
thebigabd said:
I think this is a critical point in bridging an understanding between the two sides... I hear this a lot, that things were going so well.

Except, to a liberal, they weren't. Not because they didn't want Trump to get credit for achieving success, but because the measurements of success are different.... we aren't even playing the same game.

He was mostly meeting measures of success based on what conservatives want.... but nothing he was doing was changing paradigm in a way that "we" want.... I use the term we loosely, given that I don't speak for all liberals.

  • Trump/GOP aren't going to implement Medicare for everyone.
  • Trump/GOP aren't going to implement a green energy policy.
  • Trump/GOP aren't going to implement a progressive tax plan.
  • Trump/GOP aren't going to do what I want to see in public education.
  • Trump/GOP aren't going to do what I want to see with the military.
  • Trump isn't going roll out the kind of foreign policy I want to see.
  • Trump/GOP isn't going to make the systemic changes to our democracy that I want to see
  • Trump/GOP isn't going to make the changes I want to see to Social Security

I could go on for another 50 lines, but you get the idea. Basically, the liberal side and conservative side are so philosophically different at this point that neither side can appease the other. Let's say we get a blue wave in the new election or two..... and you see the following:

  • Everyone gets Medicare, and we finally join the rest of the world....
  • Tax plan is changed and income inequality is greatly reduced...
  • That extra tax revenue starts working in our schools, police departments, and communities....
  • We lift the income cap on social security and expand the program
  • We make common-sense changes to save the USPS, and even expand services like Postal Banking and other services
  • We overturn Citizens United and get big corporate money out of democracy
  • We start implementing a national energy policy around green energy
  • We end all the wars and bring all the troops home


That would be massive victory for someone like me, but I suspect you would be kicking and screaming the whole way. You don't want to expand Social Security... You don't want a different tax system... You don't want more investments in public education.... You don't want to overturn Citizens United.... You don't want to have Medicare guaranteed to you.... You don't want to spend less on the military.... etc

I don't mean that in a bad way, I am just saying we want different things..

You guys are spiking the football because the DOW is high and unemployment being low is seemingly your only measure of economic success, or, at the very least, the things that are very important to you. But he isn't actively working on hardly anything that I would consider changes the paradigm of living in America, for the better.

Unemployment was at like 4.5% when Trump took over... The economy had added jobs for 75 straight months when Trump came in. I am not saying his tax plan didn't juice the economy, I am just saying, he gets an awful lot of credit (and claims even more) for something that was already setup for him... Unemployment was low, jobs were growing for 75 straight months... I mean, that's just a fact. And none of that was changing the absurd inequality we have, and in fact, the tax plan just makes it worse.

They absolutely took a step in the right direction on Criminal Justice Reform, and that is an issue of critical importance to me... and I support that. But he's essentially never going to work toward the things that most liberals want. It's not what he wants, it's not what his voters want, it's not what his party wants... It's not because they are evil, it's because they have a drastically different vision of the country.

At the end of the day, I guess that's the problem. When two sides don't want the same thing, someone has to win... I wish we generally wanted the same things because then we could all work together to build something great, but that doesn't appear to be true. So instead, we have to fight everything out and someone has to win and someone has to lose.
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People should have a right to believe they can determine their own path in life and seek their own dreams rather than have someone do it for them. Earning one's own lot in life usually tastes better than a hand out even if it means having to wipe the sweat off their collective brows in the process. I think your family predecessors could attest to this. Remember, the highest income earners by ethnicity in the country are Asians, and by religion it is people of the Jewish faith and both groups are a testament to how racism and antisemitism can be overcome. It's not like it cannot for others. It's just not.
 
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thebigabd said:
I think this is a critical point in bridging an understanding between the two sides... I hear this a lot, that things were going so well.

Except, to a liberal, they weren't. Not because they didn't want Trump to get credit for achieving success, but because the measurements of success are different.... we aren't even playing the same game.

He was mostly meeting measures of success based on what conservatives want.... but nothing he was doing was changing paradigm in a way that "we" want.... I use the term we loosely, given that I don't speak for all liberals.

  • Trump/GOP aren't going to implement Medicare for everyone.
  • Trump/GOP aren't going to implement a green energy policy.
  • Trump/GOP aren't going to implement a progressive tax plan.
  • Trump/GOP aren't going to do what I want to see in public education.
  • Trump/GOP aren't going to do what I want to see with the military.
  • Trump isn't going roll out the kind of foreign policy I want to see.
  • Trump/GOP isn't going to make the systemic changes to our democracy that I want to see
  • Trump/GOP isn't going to make the changes I want to see to Social Security

I could go on for another 50 lines, but you get the idea. Basically, the liberal side and conservative side are so philosophically different at this point that neither side can appease the other. Let's say we get a blue wave in the new election or two..... and you see the following:

  • Everyone gets Medicare, and we finally join the rest of the world....
  • Tax plan is changed and income inequality is greatly reduced...
  • That extra tax revenue starts working in our schools, police departments, and communities....
  • We lift the income cap on social security and expand the program
  • We make common-sense changes to save the USPS, and even expand services like Postal Banking and other services
  • We overturn Citizens United and get big corporate money out of democracy
  • We start implementing a national energy policy around green energy
  • We end all the wars and bring all the troops home


That would be massive victory for someone like me, but I suspect you would be kicking and screaming the whole way. You don't want to expand Social Security... You don't want a different tax system... You don't want more investments in public education.... You don't want to overturn Citizens United.... You don't want to have Medicare guaranteed to you.... You don't want to spend less on the military.... etc

I don't mean that in a bad way, I am just saying we want different things..

You guys are spiking the football because the DOW is high and unemployment being low is seemingly your only measure of economic success, or, at the very least, the things that are very important to you. But he isn't actively working on hardly anything that I would consider changes the paradigm of living in America, for the better.

Unemployment was at like 4.5% when Trump took over... The economy had added jobs for 75 straight months when Trump came in. I am not saying his tax plan didn't juice the economy, I am just saying, he gets an awful lot of credit (and claims even more) for something that was already setup for him... Unemployment was low, jobs were growing for 75 straight months... I mean, that's just a fact. And none of that was changing the absurd inequality we have, and in fact, the tax plan just makes it worse.

They absolutely took a step in the right direction on Criminal Justice Reform, and that is an issue of critical importance to me... and I support that. But he's essentially never going to work toward the things that most liberals want. It's not what he wants, it's not what his voters want, it's not what his party wants... It's not because they are evil, it's because they have a drastically different vision of the country.

At the end of the day, I guess that's the problem. When two sides don't want the same thing, someone has to win... I wish we generally wanted the same things because then we could all work together to build something great, but that doesn't appear to be true. So instead, we have to fight everything out and someone has to win and someone has to lose.
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Maybe if dems would quit wasting hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars on BS investigations based on lies, then we might be able to fund more sociaL programs.
 
Biden has been in public office for almost 50 years and hasn’t accomplished a damn thing, and for certain has done nothing for the black community. The only thing he has accomplished is building his own wealth at the expense of the American taxpayer. DC corruption exhibit A.
 
mict085 said:
Biden has been in public office for almost 50 years and hasn’t accomplished a damn thing, and for certain has done nothing for the black community. The only thing he has accomplished is building his own wealth at the expense of the American taxpayer. DC corruption exhibit A.
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Lmao, has he bankrupted any casinos?
 
steverocks35 said:
I guess if I went on bizarre angry rants about communism and “Real Americans” my “credibility” would improve. Lmao
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It’s funny that you dismiss it, when democrats are financially supporting socialist/communist radicals in America. Also, the black lives matter movement has raised millions of dollars. Unfortunately, all of those dollars are going into the pockets of white liberals. Way to go democrats. The party of liars and thieves.

Not surprised that steveO would support them.
 
In all seriousness, what has Biden accomplished in all of his time in Washington? I doubt I'll vote for Trump's re-election, but I was sure hoping for a better candidate from the Dems.

Reminds me of 2004 when the Democrats spent four years just killing themselves over W and then trot out John Kerry. C'mon!
 
Sooner04 said:
In all seriousness, what has Biden accomplished in all of his time in Washington? I doubt I'll vote for Trump's re-election, but I was sure hoping for a better candidate from the Dems.

Reminds me of 2004 when the Democrats spent four years just killing themselves over W and then trot out John Kerry. C'mon!
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I agree with this. Except for the “doubt I vote for Trump”, I know for sure I’m not voting for that narcissistic imbecile.
 
mict085 said:
It’s funny that you dismiss it, when democrats are financially supporting socialist/communist radicals in America. Also, the black lives matter movement has raised millions of dollars. Unfortunately, all of those dollars are going into the pockets of white liberals. Way to go democrats. The party of liars and thieves.

Not surprised that steveO would support them.
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Of course you have proof of this? Along with all your other random rants.
 
mict085 said:
It’s funny that you dismiss it, when democrats are financially supporting socialist/communist radicals in America. Also, the black lives matter movement has raised millions of dollars. Unfortunately, all of those dollars are going into the pockets of white liberals. Way to go democrats. The party of liars and thieves.

Not surprised that steveO would support them.
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This is so artistic.. I’m in awe of these performances.. BRAVO!
 
For those of you who consider yourself a democrat where do you stand on statues being pulled down. I hear that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson statues are on the removal list. And if there is a movement to remove these statues would the Washington Monument and Jefferson Memorial be removed or at least shuttered to visitors. What are your thoughts?
 
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