Can you guys explain some Trump things to me?

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BCSooners said:
So...no proof
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There is plenty of proof. You Choose to believe what you want, regardless of the truth. You’ve chosen a side, truth be damned.

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mict085 said:
There is plenty of proof. You Choose to believe what you want, regardless of the truth. You’ve chosen a side, truth be damned.

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Again the doesn’t prove that Trump doesn’t lie more than every other president.
 
BCSooners said:
Who said Obama didn’t lie? This is me stating that Trump lied more than any other president & it’s true.
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No, it isn’t true. Just because you believe it doesn’t make it true.
 
BCSooners said:
Yes exactly they have had to fact check more because Trump lies exponentially more than any other president of my lifetime.
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Methuselah's lifetime, too. It's mind boggling to ponder at times.

But I'm sure it's all Obama's fault in one way or another.
 
mict085 said:
No, it isn’t true. Just because you believe it doesn’t make it true.
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In the 8 years Obama said barely over 300 half truths or worse. In 3.5 Trump has over 750. Also Trump is “winning” 137-9 on flat out bold face lies.
 
BCSooners said:
In the 8 years Obama said barely over 300 half truths or worse. In 3.5 Trump has over 750. Also Trump is “winning” 137-9 on flat out bold face lies.
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Anytime I’ve seen a list of trumps lies, they aren’t actually lies.
I’d love to see the list
 
Every sentence of Obama’s state of the union addresses was a lie or half truth or just flat out wrong
 
BCSooners said:
That’s crazy you believe that. This is only a list of lies that have to do with the country, policies, etc.. On all lies Trump has reached over 20,000.

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
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LOL

dude. this is such a waste of time. I got through the first two quotes and the bias is already unbelievable. :ez-laugh:

some he is just wrong...not lies. Some are twisting words. Many are taken out of context and some appear to count literary techniques like hyperbole as lies
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
LOL

dude. this is such a waste of time. I got through the first two quotes and the bias is already unbelievable. :ez-laugh:

some he is just wrong...not lies. Some are twisting words. Many are taken out of context and some appear to count literary techniques like hyperbole as lies
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Yes you are a waste of time. Nothing he does you will believe or just spout bias. You ask for proof & articles & I actually find factual ones, unlike yalls conspiracy theory websites, and you still just believe what you want no matter the proof.
 
BCSooners said:
Yes you are a waste of time. Nothing he does you will believe or just spout bias. You ask for proof & articles & I actually find factual ones, unlike yalls conspiracy theory websites, and you still just believe what you want no matter the proof.
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For example...it calls it a lie that Trump said Portland is on fire. Obviously Trump didn't mean all of the city was literally on fire.
 
Trump lives in a black and white world... it can only be the greatest, or the absolute worst. Nothing is in between for him.

So when diagnosing Trump, for the most part the best way to describe his speech pattern is the use of hyperbole. There is some debate on whether they constant use of hyperbole is akin to a lie. This is amplified by the fact that so much of Trump says is hyperbole, both good and bad. He lives in a polar world.

When the source of information rarely gives an accurate account because of the constant hyperbole, is he lying? Or is it fair to use constant hyperbole? According to Oxford, it is akin to a lie.

Most honest people use hyperbole in specific contexts, sporadically, etc. It's rarely a full-time method of communication. That's where this line gets blurred with Trump.

Here are some real Trump examples:

"The Dems can never do as well"- Donald Trump (referencing job numbers)

“If for some reason I wouldn’t have won the [2016] election, these markets would have crashed."- Donald Trump

There is no basis in fact for this statement. He has no idea. It's just hyperbole. Is it a lie?

"See, the bottom line is… You have no choice but to vote for me because your 401k, everything is going to be down the tubes"- Donald Trump

"Nobody knows more about construction than I do"- Donald Trump

"I know more about drones than anybody"- Donald Trump

"Nobody knows more about technology than I do"- Donald Trump

"Nobody in the history of this country knows more about infrastructure than I do"- Donald Trump

"I comprehend things better than anybody"- Donald Trump

"I know more about the environment than anybody" - Donald Trump

"I've studied windmills better than anybody"- Donald Trump

"The entire city of Portland is ablaze all the time"- Donald Trump

Not true, its hyperbole.

"Our Covid numbers are better than all countries"- Donald Trump

Not true.

"Children are almost immune from Covid" - Donald Trump

Not true.

"Joe Biden wants to prosecute American's for going to church"- Donald Trump

Not true.

"UMSCA is the biggest trade deal ever made"- Donald Trump

Not true, pure hyperbole. It's not factually true.

"Democrats want total immunity for illegal aliens who commit murder"- Donald Trump

Come on man...

"There have never been so many border apprehensions in the history of our country"- Donald Trump

It's not true. Its factually false.

I mean, if I kept going this post would be very long... you get the idea. According to Oxford Handbooks:

Both metaphor and hyperbole are akin to lying in saying something that is strictly speaking false and thus have deceptive potential. How close or distant the relationship metaphor/hyperbole versus lie is seen to be depends on the theoretical approach taken, which is illustrated by brief treatments of classical rhetoric, philosophy, Gricean pragmatics, relevance theory, and cognitive linguistics. From a functional perspective the overlap between metaphor/hyperbole and lying may be small, but nevertheless is present in various politeness functions of hyperbole and in using metaphors for reconceptualization and (euphemistic) disguising. Depending on the forms and contexts chosen, the distinction between hyperbole/metaphor and lying might be blurred or sharpened.
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BCSooners said:
Exactly. It was a lie.
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It isn't a lie.

If I tell my kids I love them all the way around the world and back is it a lie?
If I tell them that "I've told you this a million times" is that a lie?
Is saying I'm so hungry I could eat a horse a lie?
 
I think people need to go read the dictionary on what a lie is. A lie is something that is said that is intentionally told to deceive.

You can't lie out of ignorance...that would be just being wrong.
You can't lie out of hyperbole (maybe you could but it would be rare).
It has to be intentionally deceiving someone
 
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