Cezar Guerrero scouting report

[Seymore Cox]

Jerry Meyer is the chief analyst and scout for Rivals.com’s basketball recruiting coverage. A nationally recognized basketball instructor, Meyer’s expertise dates back to his high school playing days. He won Tennessee’s Mr. Basketball award in his junior and senior seasons. As a college player for Lipscomb University and the University of Minnesota-Duluth, Meyer was a two time All-American and became college basketball’s career assist leader. Meyer has been a head high school coach, served as an assistant at Vanderbilt University and has been a head coach in the American Basketball Association. Meyer has also coached in the Nike All-American Camp in Indianapolis, Ind., and the Nike Hoop Jamboree Camp in St. Louis, Mo., and assists former NBA coach John Lucas in his pre-draft and preseason NBA workouts in Houston.


http://transcripts.usatoday.com/Chats/transcript.aspx?c=919

Here's the thing about Meyer. He ranks Rivals and he has about 13 pgs ahead of Guerrero. With the buzz and offers that Guerrero is getting, it's basically saying he misevaluated this kid. So he has to spin it. Here's an example.

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1173365

Now here's the funny part about this blurb. Meyer says their is no more important position than a dominant pg. However, over the last 30 or so years, there has been two one dominant pgs win NBA titles, Isaiah Thomas, and the 6'9 Magic Johnson. The recent track record hasn't been that great in the NBA. If you look at the best NBA pgs, a few may have made tourney runs, but none come to mind as winning the tourney. And even with the ones who made tourney runs, they generally had good rosters with other NBA level players.

 

[scrybe]

Those two are like listening to my 5 year old niece argue with my 4 year old niece

Yeah, except BOB is a man. He's 40!!! :ez-laugh:

 

[Big Old Booger]

Yeah, except BOB is a man. He's 40!!! :ez-laugh:

Hey...don't make me older than I am. I've got another 9 days before I am 40, so as of now I'm still just a boy, according to Mike Gundy. :ez-laugh:

 

[AdaSooner]

I know who this kid reminds me of. Richie Vallens from LaBamba.

Seriously though, he would be a missing piece that would help. Let me do my best Abd lineup rundown.

Cezar Guerrero pg Cali player of the year averaging 46 points a game:

Cameron Clark SG Big12 Rookie of the Year. Josh Selby doesn't count because he is on KU payroll.

Romero Osby SF Transfer from Miss. State Community College where he averaged 42 points....uh I mean 4.2 points.

Andrew Fitzgerald eh

Robert Goff JucoJunction Player of the Year who lead Hutchinson Junior College to a National Championship.

I don't believe I'm going out on a limb when I say that lineup or one similar to it would be an improvement over anything OU can put on the floor this year. That's not meant as a knock on Cade and Bird, who are both having a very good season. It's more an acknowledgment of a stronger inside game with the addition of Goff and Osby, plus a more experienced and potentially better Fitzgerald and Clark, not to mention the depth it would give us that is woefully lacking right now.

Add Blair, Newell, C.J., Neal and Thompson to that list and we'd have the makings of a pretty decent team. One capable of competing for a Big 12 title and a NCAA tourney birth? I'm not willing to go quite that far at this point. But I do think we'll be significantly better if Capel can add an impact point guard to run the offense. I'm not ruling out the possibility that Blair and/or Newell might come through. I'm just not sure either of them can overcome their weaknesses to become the floor leader we'll need to compete at a high level, and we can't afford to gamble on the come.

Take that recruiting addition one step further by signing a quality two guard or wing who can shoot it from the perimeter, and our chances of being a good team next season go up even more.

 

[bgrch1350]

In reality, Pledger is probably starting and Goff is coming off the bench, but I agree, this is an upgrade with 3 solid junior in Osby, Pledger, and Fitz, a potential star in Clark, and a guy that can facilitate to them like Guerrero.

He pushes the ball way better than anyone we've had in a long time at OU. AJ was a great lead passer and he seems to be on par with AJ in that regard. I don't know if he'll be able to get into the lane and do anything effective. We'll just have to see on that one. He reminds me of a high school version of Steve Nash.

I agree too...the way Pledger is playing right now, he should be a starter and I expect him to get close to 30 mins a game. The best thing about the team we have next year is the guys who can play multible positions. Clark can play the 2 or 3, while osby can play the 3 or 4 and the same goes for Ty Neal.

Blair and Newell might improve greatly where they might be our starting PG next season.

 

[bgrch1350]

The way Pledger and Fitz are playing in year 2, the progress that Clark has been making lately, and with Capel constantly stating that his best player is redshirting...I'm very excited about next season. The starting 2 thru the 5 position makes for a good lineup. We have Thompson, Washington, Newell, Blair, Goff, and Neal so far that looks to have the word potential written all over them.

I trufully believe the guy that will make the biggest improvement from year 1 to year 2 will be Washington. I see him right now getting better every game.

 

[okcsooner83]

How many players with the predicted lineup would start at mizzou, ku, ksu, or texas?

 

[Big Old Booger]

How many players with the predicted lineup would start at mizzou, ku, ksu, or texas?

Cue the line from vacation when Russ asks Clark about skinny dipping with Christie Brinkley:

"Nice talk, son"

 

[luckyc1423]

How many players with the predicted lineup would start at mizzou, ku, ksu, or texas?

I dunno if you could ever say for certain, but one player potential two would have a chance to start.

Cam clark def has the talent and could have a chance to start

I am going out on a limb and say osby would have a chance...I did not see him play at all at mississippi state...but if you go to the recruiting webpage on this site, and view his highlights from highschool...the dude was stupid athletic in highschool, dunked often, he could have a shot at starting at any university
Now I dont know why he didnt play much at mississippi state...maybe he was a flop..who knows, we will see next year...

 

[AdaSooner]

How many players with the predicted lineup would start at mizzou, ku, ksu, or texas?

Since we're basically talking about next year's lineup, that's a difficult question to answer. Cam is the only one I feel good about. Fitz and Osby would have a chance to play quality minutes, but not start. Pledger might, too, if he develops into a more consistent shooter from the perimeter. It's too early to predict how Neal, Newell and Blair will turn out. The remainder of our roster would never see the floor at any of those schools. Sorry, but that's how I see it.


The point you made is exactly why I can't say with any degree of confidence that OU will be able to complete with the best teams in conference next year, even with an anticipated upgrade that includes Goff, Osby and a point guard (and possibly a wing) to be named later. In reality (to borrow one of your words), we have a long way to go to get back to where we were in Capel's first season. That's not just another knock on our coach, it's the truth.

 

[scrybe]

If we land Cezar, the Capelables need to dress up in crimson Togas next season.

So Mexicans are big toga wearers?

 

[Big Old Booger]

So Mexicans are big toga wearers?

not exactly togas like the greeks wear.

 

[Max Power]

not exactly togas like the greeks wear.

Its called a poncho

 

[scrybe]

not exactly togas like the greeks wear.

I believe those are called ponchos, booger.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I believe those are called panchos, booger.

Correct. I am thinking this is what was meant when they said "mexican togas".

 

[scrybe]

Correct. I am thinking this is what was meant when they said "mexican togas".

Perhaps he should have said "Mexican ponchos" then. :ez-laugh:

 

[Big Old Booger]

Perhaps he should have said "Mexican ponchos" then. :ez-laugh:

Hey...I agree, but all of us forget or can't come up with the correct term from time to time. Happens to me more the older I get.

 

[Sooner23]

So Mexicans are big toga wearers?

Cezar ... Julius Ceasar ... togas.

 

[scrybe]

Cezar ... Julius Ceasar ... togas.

Got it the first time. Just having a little fun on a slow day at the office.

 

[Sooner23]

Got it the first time. Just having a little fun on a slow day at the office.

Ponchos might be a better option though. Not sure I want to see sam or bigtime's bare/white/hairy arms and shoulders busting out of the top of that toga.