Clarke to OU, Announcement tomorrow

[TINY]

Well actually, I wasn't trying to lecture everyone. Only the ones that have taken strong positions that they could not defend with any data. And when pressed, it was obvious that they had not done any homework. And if you are so confident in your base of knowledge, why do you assume that I am talking to you? I have taken three really stong positions on the board. First was that Blair isnt any good and Grooms will beat him out. Second it was that Fitz was so inept at the post last season, Arent will get the job. And recently, it was that Clarke would be better than the guards from last years team. I have caught grief on all three of those positions. The only place in the world that could happen is on this message board. My positions are considered universal truths outside of this closed community. So either the posters are right and the majority is wrong. Or, there are some people on here talking about basketball that don't have the first clue. Take Pledger for example. I had a well respected Oklahoma college coach tell me that there were at least 6 guards every year coming out of Oklahoma high schools that were better prospects and had a chance to be a better player than Pledger. And that Capel was stupid for recruiting him. I like my source. The posters that say different are probably wrong. And so it goes. And if someone want to slam me on typo's, that tells me you don't have much to say about basketball.

I definitely agree that Clarke would be a huge addition to our team, Gary!

Arent is not even close to as polished offensively as Fitz. However, Fitz is a liabilty on D and his rebounding has been shaky at best. If you are basing your opinion that Arent will start over Fitz in the post on Arent's offensive game you are going to be disappointed. Arent is similar to Renzi Stone, a blue collar big man who will do the dirty work.

Pledger was a Soph last season, and he showed glimpses of being an all big 12 type. How about 38 points in Ames, Iowa, one of the toughest arenas in the Big 12. Of course he also failed to show up in others, but there are not 6 guards in OK HS yearly who could average 11 PPG in Big 12 play as Sophs.

 

[NickZepp]

Also I don't like the assumption that Fitz is suddenly going to get worse than last year. He was a very good scorer, bad at rebounding, probably average on defense considering his size and athletic ability. He actually could have been far worse on defense. But I think he can be much better with another year under his belt and in a different system.

 

[campbest]

Well actually, I wasn't trying to lecture everyone. Only the ones that have taken strong positions that they could not defend with any data.And when pressed, it was obvious that they had not done any homework. And if you are so confident in your base of knowledge, why do you assume that I am talking to you?

You said Rotnei Clark thread, so basically everyone.

I have taken three really stong positions on the board. First was that Blair isnt any good and Grooms will beat him out. Second it was that Fitz was so inept at the post last season, Arent will get the job. And recently, it was that Clarke would be better than the guards from last years team. I have caught grief on all three of those positions.

I don't think you've caught "grief" people have just disagreed with you. I think Osby runs more 4 than 3 at the college level, just my opinion from watching bball and past experiences. Grooms could very well take Blair's spot, however, Cam Clark by his junior year (the first we see of Clarke) is going to develop nicely. Wasn't sold on the Clarke deal, but no realize you have to take him in our position. But for some reason I don't have a good feeling about it.

The only place in the world that could happen is on this message board. My positions are considered universal truths outside of this closed community. So either the posters are right and the majority is wrong. Or, there are some people on here talking about basketball that don't have the first clue.

lol, comical. New resident board clown, stoops4pres step aside please.

Take Pledger for example. I had a well respected Oklahoma college coach tell me that there were at least 6 guards every year coming out of Oklahoma high schools that were better prospects and had a chance to be a better player than Pledger. And that Capel was stupid for recruiting him. I like my source. The posters that say different are probably wrong. And so it goes.

Name six Oklahoma players that graduated the same year as Pledger who could put up those numbers as a sophomore on an atrocious team in the Big XII...you can even call your source. I'm not saying Pledger is world beater (b/c he definitely isn't) but using that exaggeration is a joke, don't care if it came from Tom Izzo.

And if someone want to slam me on typo's, that tells me you don't have much to say about basketball.

Don't care about the typos, but for the love of God, break that monstrosity of a paragraph up. Guess that means I know nothing about basketball too.

 

[campbest]

gary you are an idiot. We don't know how good Grooms is or if he'll beat out Blair. Anyone that says anything about that with certainty is an idiot. Fitz was a solid post last year. He was just forced to do more than he was really capable of because of what we had. He is probably a better fit with the current roster if Osby is really good. Rontei Clarke is a good guard on some bad teams. They were really not any better than OU/ I don't know if he's better than Osby will be or Pledger or Cam Clark, or Fitzgerald by next year. But he'll definitely fit on the roster and give us a really talented base next year.

Love Nick Zepp coming with the

gary you are an idiot

line. I laughed.

 

[Sooner23]

 

[garyeb2]

gary you are an idiot. We don't know how good Grooms is or if he'll beat out Blair. Anyone that says anything about that with certainty is an idiot. Fitz was a solid post last year. He was just forced to do more than he was really capable of because of what we had. He is probably a better fit with the current roster if Osby is really good. Rontei Clarke is a good guard on some bad teams. They were really not any better than OU/ I don't know if he's better than Osby will be or Pledger or Cam Clark, or Fitzgerald by next year. But he'll definitely fit on the roster and give us a really talented base next year.

This is starting to get tiresome. There seems to be some confusion on what I'm saying. I'll clarify. Last years team was just terrible. This years team with the same players and with Kruger as coach would be just terrible. Those people that believe that Kruger burned two ships to bring in players that were slotted to be be backups to any of last years bunch are the idiots. Not me. No one can be certain that Grooms and Arent will work out. Either or both could be bust. Last season the point play and the post play was just terrible. For me to believe that Kruger knows what a college basketball player is suppose to look like and that he has the ability to get them puts me on the right side of probability. Assuming that he doesn't, makes you the idiot. Grooms and Arent aren't certain to start. They are likely to start. If you believe otherwise, you haven't done your home work or you have failed to see the flaws in Blair and Fitz. In either case, you have disqualified yourself from having a valued opinion. Period. And since I'm blowing up skirts and causing alot of high chair banging with spoons, I'll trot out another one. The 12/13 team has a chance to be really good because M'buy is the best player (other than Blake) to come through this program in years.

 

[daqman]

garey,
if the message board wants your opinion....they'll give to you.

 

[Tony]

For me to believe that Kruger knows what a college basketball player is suppose to look like and that he has the ability to get them puts me on the right side of probability. Assuming that he doesn't, makes you the idiot. Grooms and Arent aren't certain to start. They are likely to start. If you believe otherwise, you haven't done your home work or you have failed to see the flaws in Blair and Fitz. In either case, you have disqualified yourself from having a valued opinion. Period.

:ez-laugh:

garey,
if the message board wants your opinion....they'll give to you.

Gary should give his opinion. Nothing about his evaluation of the basketball team is particularly outrageous. What I think rubs people the wrong way is the sanctimonious crap about how he knows what he's talking about and any slightly different thought on the matter is invalid and the result of close-minded thinking.

 

[Tony]

For reals, though, did Rotnei Clarke make the announcement today?

 

[campbest]

This is starting to get tiresome. There seems to be some confusion on what I'm saying. I'll clarify. Last years team was just terrible. This years team with the same players and with Kruger as coach would be just terrible. Those people that believe that Kruger burned two ships to bring in players that were slotted to be be backups to any of last years bunch are the idiots. Not me. No one can be certain that Grooms and Arent will work out. Either or both could be bust. Last season the point play and the post play was just terrible. For me to believe that Kruger knows what a college basketball player is suppose to look like and that he has the ability to get them puts me on the right side of probability. Assuming that he doesn't, makes you the idiot. Grooms and Arent aren't certain to start. They are likely to start. If you believe otherwise, you haven't done your home work or you have failed to see the flaws in Blair and Fitz. In either case, you have disqualified yourself from having a valued opinion. Period. And since I'm blowing up skirts and causing alot of high chair banging with spoons, I'll trot out another one. The 12/13 team has a chance to be really good because M'buy is the best player (other than Blake) to come through this program in years.

Will you admit to being an idiot if they are back-ups? I'm not sold either way, just think its only fair for you clarify since you're labeling one half as "idiots".

 

[skyvue]

Gary should give his opinion. Nothing about his evaluation of the basketball team is particularly outrageous. What I think rubs people the wrong way is the sanctimonious crap about how he knows what he's talking about and any slightly different thought on the matter is invalid and the result of close-minded thinking.

Bingo. I welcome his opinions, but not his insults, unfounded assumptions, and arrogance.

 

[skyvue]

And just for the record, I very rarely play the typo card, but felt it was justified in this case. We all make typos from time to time -- I certainly do (though I more often think faster than I can type -- which is not saying very much -- and leave out words in the process, as I did in my post that called out gary. Can you spot the missing word?) -- but those who insult other posters and claim to have attained a sort of higher ground, a more evolved and informed state of existence, deserve to have their bubbles burst in any and every way possible.

But honestly, if one wishes to be taken seriously in a discussion/argument, typos do great harm to one's cause. Show some respect for the people with whom you're engaged in virtual conversation, even if you disagree with them. Like it or not, sloppy typing suggests sloppy thinking (even if there's no actual connection between the two).

 

[Shooterms]

This is starting to get tiresome. There seems to be some confusion on what I'm saying. I'll clarify. Last years team was just terrible. This years team with the same players and with Kruger as coach would be just terrible. Those people that believe that Kruger burned two ships to bring in players that were slotted to be be backups to any of last years bunch are the idiots. Not me. No one can be certain that Grooms and Arent will work out. Either or both could be bust. Last season the point play and the post play was just terrible. For me to believe that Kruger knows what a college basketball player is suppose to look like and that he has the ability to get them puts me on the right side of probability. Assuming that he doesn't, makes you the idiot. Grooms and Arent aren't certain to start. They are likely to start. If you believe otherwise, you haven't done your home work or you have failed to see the flaws in Blair and Fitz. In either case, you have disqualified yourself from having a valued opinion. Period. And since I'm blowing up skirts and causing alot of high chair banging with spoons, I'll trot out another one. The 12/13 team has a chance to be really good because M'buy is the best player (other than Blake) to come through this program in years.

 

[Sawyer]

And just for the record, I very rarely play the typo card, but felt it was justified in this case. We all make typos from time to time -- I certainly do (though I more often think faster than I can type -- which is not saying very much -- and leave out words in the process, as I did in my post that called out gary. Can you spot the missing word?) -- but those who insult other posters and claim to have attained a sort of higher ground, a more evolved and informed state of existence, deserve to have their bubbles burst in any and every way possible.

But honestly, if one wishes to be taken seriously in a discussion/argument, typos do great harm to one's cause. Show some respect for the people with whom you're engaged in virtual conversation, even if you disagree with them. Like it or not, sloppy typing suggests sloppy thinking (even if there's no actual connection between the two).

Calling out a typo is never really justified. A typo is a slip of the finger. It's a missing or extraneous letter. It's an honest mistake not worth noting.

What we're seeing in this guy's posts aren't typos. They're spelling errors and grammatical mistakes at a frequency common to people who can't write for ****. And you're right, it is pretty tiresome to essentially be called stupid by someone incapable of putting a complete sentence together.

See also: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw2T1jx8kzo[/ame]

 

[kellensooner]

Take Pledger for example. I had a well respected Oklahoma college coach tell me that there were at least 6 guards every year coming out of Oklahoma high schools that were better prospects and had a chance to be a better player than Pledger. And that Capel was stupid for recruiting him. I like my source.

Love to hear which college coach would say this. If you don't want to give up your "source", how about telling us what level he coaches at (NAIA, DII, DI) and whether he is a head coach or assistant.

 

[garyeb2]

And just for the record, I very rarely play the typo card, but felt it was justified in this case. We all make typos from time to time -- I certainly do (though I more often think faster than I can type -- which is not saying very much -- and leave out words in the process, as I did in my post that called out gary. Can you spot the missing word?) -- but those who insult other posters and claim to have attained a sort of higher ground, a more evolved and informed state of existence, deserve to have their bubbles burst in any and every way possible.

But honestly, if one wishes to be taken seriously in a discussion/argument, typos do great harm to one's cause. Show some respect for the people with whom you're engaged in virtual conversation, even if you disagree with them. Like it or not, sloppy typing suggests sloppy thinking (even if there's no actual connection between the two).

No. You played the typo card because that is all you have. I'm retired now. But, those times that I needed a proof reader, I hired one. Post your resume and I'll give it a look. If you want to challenge a position that I have taken with some research backed data, jump on in. Your "posters equity" isn't worth three rotten eggs. Kruger said in an early interview that he was going to bring in better players. And that is exactly what I think he has done with all three that he has signed. Same thing if he signs Rotnie. All of the rearrange the deck chairs on the Titantic to get better crowd is just plain wrong. If you think that is being arrogant when I point that out, so be it. All of this dust bowl Grapes of Wrath evaluations of Grooms and Arent make me sick. The "if we got them they must not be very good" mentality. Resaerch them. They both seem to be fine kids with considerable basketball skills. No one anywhere has mutt talked those two like some of the posters on this forum.Proof that they have not looked up and read one thing about them. Arent is like Renzi Stone. Crapp. He will remind you more of Bookout. Grooms is very good. Blair and Fitz did not get the job done. Won five conference games, remember. Anyone that can not see the likelyhood of those two getting bounced is operating in a deep fog. i guess that is arrogant too.

 

[garyeb2]

Love to hear which college coach would say this. If you don't want to give up your "source", how about telling us what level he coaches at (NAIA, DII, DI) and whether he is a head coach or assistant.

Retired,Lengendary D2, OK sports hall of fame.

 

[Shooterms]

No. You played the typo card because that is all you have. I'm retired now. But, those times that I needed a proof reader, I hired one. Post your resume and I'll give it a look. If you want to challenge a position that I have taken with some research backed data, jump on in. Your "posters equity" isn't worth three rotten eggs. Kruger said in an early interview that he was going to bring in better players. And that is exactly what I think he has done with all three that he has signed. Same thing if he signs Rotnie. All of the rearrange the deck chairs on the Titantic to get better crowd is just plain wrong. If you think that is being arrogant when I point that out, so be it. All of this dust bowl Grapes of Wrath evaluations of Grooms and Arent make me sick. The "if we got them they must not be very good" mentality. Resaerch them. They both seem to be fine kids with considerable basketball skills. No one anywhere has mutt talked those two like some of the posters on this forum.Proof that they have not looked up and read one thing about them. Arent is like Renzi Stone. Crapp. He will remind you more of Bookout. Grooms is very good. Blair and Fitz did not get the job done. Won five conference games, remember. Anyone that can not see the likelyhood of those two getting bounced is operating in a deep fog. i guess that is arrogant too.

 

[tycat947]

:ez-laugh:



Gary should give his opinion. Nothing about his evaluation of the basketball team is particularly outrageous. What I think rubs people the wrong way is the sanctimonious crap about how he knows what he's talking about and any slightly different thought on the matter is invalid and the result of close-minded thinking.

You got that right!

:clap

 

[Sawyer]

Arent is like Renzi Stone. Crapp. He will remind you more of Bookout.

What exactly do you base this on? Seems like a bit of a stretch to compare a lightly recruited junior college player to one of the best 4-5 post players OU's had in the past decade.