Could Fitz, M'Baye, and Osby all start next year?

[garyeb2]

Pledger is one of the top 10 players in the conference. Sick of people who would rather be "right" than accept the obvious. MB's are great, until someone takes a position and then can't let it go. I'll start: I thought Capel got the axe a year too soon, I was....wait for it....WRONG.

I thought Arent would be a significant contributer this season. I was wrong. Does that make you feel better?

As far as Pledger goes, I don't think you have been following the action very closely. My premise from from the start was, and I have been quite consistant, that when competing against top 40 or tourney caliber teams. Pledger is easily render ineffective and in those situations was nothing more than ordinary.

So, what has it been so far? St.louis,Cincy, Missouri, Kansas, and Baylor. Who is ahead so far? You may think he should get credit for the 30 against K ST. He might get that. But, I doubt that they will be a qualifyer.

Some MB poster with a declaration of Pledger's greatness doesn't prove me wrong. Pledger certainly could though. And if he does, I'll admit. We'll see how that works out by season's end.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

I thought Arent would be a significant contributer this season. I was wrong. Does that make you feel better?

As far as Pledger goes, I don't think you have been following the action very closely. My premise from from the start was, and I have been quite consistant, that when competing against top 40 or tourney caliber teams. Pledger is easily render ineffective and in those situations was nothing more than ordinary.

So, what has it been so far? St.louis,Cincy, Missouri, Kansas, and Baylor. Who is ahead so far? You may think he should get credit for the 30 against K ST. He might get that. But, I doubt that they will be a qualifyer.

Some MB poster with a declaration of Pledger's greatness doesn't prove me wrong. Pledger certainly could though. And if he does, I'll admit. We'll see how that works out by season's end.

:facepalm

 

[sperry]

I thought Arent would be a significant contributer this season. I was wrong. Does that make you feel better?

As far as Pledger goes, I don't think you have been following the action very closely. My premise from from the start was, and I have been quite consistant, that when competing against top 40 or tourney caliber teams. Pledger is easily render ineffective and in those situations was nothing more than ordinary.

So, what has it been so far? St.louis,Cincy, Missouri, Kansas, and Baylor. Who is ahead so far? You may think he should get credit for the 30 against K ST. He might get that. But, I doubt that they will be a qualifyer.

Some MB poster with a declaration of Pledger's greatness doesn't prove me wrong. Pledger certainly could though. And if he does, I'll admit. We'll see how that works out by season's end.

Pledger shot well and played well against Baylor.

 

[DenverSooner]

I thought Arent would be a significant contributer this season. I was wrong. Does that make you feel better?

As far as Pledger goes, I don't think you have been following the action very closely. My premise from from the start was, and I have been quite consistant, that when competing against top 40 or tourney caliber teams. Pledger is easily render ineffective and in those situations was nothing more than ordinary.

So, what has it been so far? St.louis,Cincy, Missouri, Kansas, and Baylor. Who is ahead so far? You may think he should get credit for the 30 against K ST. He might get that. But, I doubt that they will be a qualifyer.

Some MB poster with a declaration of Pledger's greatness doesn't prove me wrong. Pledger certainly could though. And if he does, I'll admit. We'll see how that works out by season's end.

This is not accurate. Against St. Louis, Cinci and Missouri Pledger had 11 points. He had 6 boards against Cinci. Against KU Pledger had 14 points, 4 boards, and was OU's leading scorer. Against Baylor Pledger had 17 points, 6 boards and was the leading scorer.

He was not ineffective in a single game. In those 5 games he averaged just under 13 points per game and just over 4 boards a game. That is hardly ineffective. That is against good teams that were determined to stop him and they couldn't. Add to this that he gets virtually zero help in perimeter shooting. You are wrong about Pledger. He is going to earn All Big XII honors this year. It might be honorable mention but he will get mentioned by the coaches. Next year he is going to be one of the best backcourt players in the conference and will make First, Second or Third team all Big XII.

It should also be noted that his 12.8 a game against those team would be good for tied for the 16th highest scorer in the league with Quincy Acey who is currently 17 (Pledger is 6th).

 

[garyeb2]

This is not accurate. Against St. Louis, Cinci and Missouri Pledger had 11 points. He had 6 boards against Cinci. Against KU Pledger had 14 points, 4 boards, and was OU's leading scorer. Against Baylor Pledger had 17 points, 6 boards and was the leading scorer.

He was not ineffective in a single game. In those 5 games he averaged just under 13 points per game and just over 4 boards a game. That is hardly ineffective. That is against good teams that were determined to stop him and they couldn't. Add to this that he gets virtually zero help in perimeter shooting. You are wrong about Pledger. He is going to earn All Big XII honors this year. It might be honorable mention but he will get mentioned by the coaches. Next year he is going to be one of the best backcourt players in the conference and will make First, Second or Third team all Big XII.

The team lost.

 

[DenverSooner]

The team lost.

If you want to talk about the problems with the team then lets talk about the bench play or the fact that Grooms does not shoot the ball better or the fact that Cam Clark is not more productive. There are lots of reason OU has lost games this year. Pledger is not one of the primary reasons. He is a very good basketball player.

If the guy had any help with perimeter shooting he would be a lot better. For example, if Grooms could shoot like Paige, Pledger would add 3 points or more to his points per game average. If Clark could also hit 3 point shots at a higher percentage, Pledger would add more to his ppg total. When you defend OU you really only have to defend one guy on the 3 point line because only one guy can hit that shot at a high enough percentage to really hurt you and that guy is Pledger. The perimeter shooting would not only help his 3 point shooting it would open things up for his 2 point shooting as well because it would be harder to help on defense.

You are way off base on Pledger. He is really good. He scores more points per game than Lybryan Nash, Keiton Page, Perry Jones, Quincy Miller, Ricardo Ratliffe, Romero Osby, Andrew Fitzgerald, Marcus Denmon, Royce White, Pierre Jackson, Quincy Acey, Kim English, Travis Releford, Scott Christopherson and virtually everyone else in the Big XII (except 5 guys).

 

[AdaSooner]

The team lost.

And those losses were all on Pledger? :facepalm

 

[kbsooner]

The team lost.

I didn't realize it was the Oklahoma Pledgers, didn't get that press release.

 

[sperry]

I didn't realize it was the Oklahoma Pledgers, didn't get that press release.

It is, and the Oklahoma Pledgers should never lose a game. EVER.

 

[garyeb2]

And those losses were all on Pledger? :facepalm

Of course not. But, this would be alot more fun if the poster's that want to take shots at me would at least put alittle thought into it. What am suppose to say when someones best arguement goes something like this. "Our best player and primary scoring threat,when facing quality competition, should be expected to average well below his seasonal average. And the team will lose. Therefore, he should receive awards,recognition, and adulation. That is a stupid position for someone to take. And much too stupid for me to respond to in a serious manner.

Basketball is a team sport. If this team finishes with a losing record in conference, and I hope they don't. Or if they finish with a really bad record against quality competion, and I hope they don't. Then none of them are deserving of any kind of award or recognition. The best hotel on skid row just doesn't get an arbritary 3 star rating does it.

Blair scored 20 in a losing effort at OSU. What kind of award do you want to give him? How about Osby's 18 that night? Both nice performance. But, they weren't good enough were they? We lost. You don't get anything for that. You don't deserve anything for that. If anyone is in favor of passing out individual awards for members of losing teams, start following youth soccer.

 

[Soonercuda]

Basketball is a team sport. If this team finishes with a losing record in conference, and I hope they don't. Or if they finish with a really bad record against quality competion, and I hope they don't. Then none of them are deserving of any kind of award or recognition. The best hotel on skid row just doesn't get an arbritary 3 star rating does it.

Would somebody please let Blake know he needs to return his rookie of the year award.

 

[garyeb2]

Would somebody please let Blake know he needs to return his rookie of the year award.

That is a really good retort. Vastly superior to the everyday offerings.

 

[DenverSooner]

Why wouldn't a guy's average go down against the best competition? To me it seems completely logical that a player would not be able to dominate as much against the best competition. Furthermore, as I demonstrated Pledger actaully performed well against the teams you named. 12.8 a game is good. 4 boards a game is good for a backcourt player. Being the leading scorer in two of those games is good. Scoring above 10 on a bad night is good and demonstrates consistency. Even on a tough night he produces.

As was not particularly pleased with Pledger's defense last year. However, it has been better this year. His offensive game has also been better, particularly with respect to scoring other than 3 point shots. I am happy Pledger is a Sooner and he is going to finish his career pretty high up on the all time scoring list.

 

[CMSOONER]

After watching most of this KU game so far, I am now confident that if M'baye is as advertised he will be starting over Fitz.