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Betting favorite for the Heisman has nothing to do with whether he was projected as a first rounder. And you can't just dismiss the Illinois State and Temple games. He made several bad throws in each game and threw a pick in both. And he was good against Michigan, not great, let alone excellent. We have seen a lot of great QB play around here. Enough to know the difference between good and great. His QB rating in that game was right in line with the rest of the season. His running played a big role, but I am talking strictly about his QB play.

I don't care at all if he's a great pro prospect. Heisman trophy is the highest award you can get, and he was the betting favorite. Clearly it wasn't just Gabe.

His QBR was 83.8 against Michigan, which is top 10 caliber play. Recheck your stats.

QB runs are part of QB play. It's not like he lines up in the slot for those plays.
 
I don't care at all if he's a great pro prospect. Heisman trophy is the highest award you can get, and he was the betting favorite. Clearly it wasn't just Gabe.

His QBR was 83.8 against Michigan, which is top 10 caliber play. Recheck your stats.

QB runs are part of QB play. It's not like he lines up in the slot for those plays.
Then why are you replying to my point/post, which was that I thought Gabe was an idiot for hyping him as a first rounder? I didn't say Gabe was an idiot for calling him a Heisman contender. He was very much a Heisman frontrunner at that point because it was early in the year, none of the preseason favorites were playing well, and we won a prime time game against a name opponent. At that point, there was definite Heisman talk. But again, that wasn't what I faulted Gabe for. My point is very simple: if you want to be a credible analyst, you need to be knowledgeable enough to evaluate talent, and impartial enough to do so even with the team you cover. If you don't, smart listeners will either stop listening, or just not take you seriously. I still listen because I like Teddy, and because every now and then Gabe will shoot straight, but it is always after the fact. I mean, I had never laid eyes on guys like Gibson and Thomas, but going into the season, I was confident they wouldn't be great players for us because I had heard the same hype a million times previously. A guy who is paid to analyze the team should eventually learn his lesson.
 
I didn't say Gabe was an idiot for calling him a Heisman contender. He was very much a Heisman frontrunner

Lolz. So this has absolutely nothing to do with his analysis as a college football player and entirely with his ability to project in the NFL.

What a silly hill to die on.
 
Yeah, I dont get why people are acting like Mateer is a lost cause. He had an awful performance against Texas, and missed some crucial throws late last week, but his QBR is #46. That's not amazing, but he also has a mediocre supporting cast and had mid-season surgery. Still a higher QBR than Raiola, Arch, Klubnik, Becht, Iamaleava, Sellers, Allar, Lagway, and Arnold. Arnold is #78 with better receivers, so those that think we haven't upgraded have lost their marbles, as have those that want Hawkins.

If not for injury, his QBR is likely top 35. He's had games against UM and SC where his QBR was >80, which is top 10 level.

If he were Baker Mayfield, we win last week easily. But there aren't any Baker's in all of college football and there weren't any last year either.

We also win last week if our defense doesn't start the game with their worst half of the season by a mile.

Maybe we go to Knoxville and Tuscaloosa and get the doors blown off. But maybe we win. Let's see it play out with our best QB, who is clearly Mateer. We played a close game against the #8 team in the country without a Heisman caliber QB, which is not something we've been able to do since Bob left. Eventually we need to start winning them, but I suspect Brent will have a couple top 25 SEC wins before the season is over.
I don't know how they come up with the QBR number. Doesn't it take into account rushing?
I do know that he is dog sh!t in traditional qb rating numbers.
 
Lolz. So this has absolutely nothing to do with his analysis as a college football player and entirely with his ability to project in the NFL.

What a silly hill to die on.
Huh? You don’t think labeling someone as a first round pick after four mediocre games speaks to his credibility as an analyst? And how about all the other examples I gave of him pumping up guys as “dogs” and “difference makers?” Is Hicks our star running back yet? Is Gibson jumping over guys and coming down with 50/50 balls because of his size and athleticism? The list goes on and on. I can’t think of a single skill guy he has been right about over the past three years. He is either a terrible judge of talent, incapable of being impartial when it comes to OU, or a combination thereof.
 
We struggled to beat a bad Auburn team. Texas is barely a top 25 team. Same with Michigan. There are several teams in the Big 12 that would be able to compete with us, and those are the games where we usually make critical mistakes at critical moments to lose games. FFS, there are several teams in the Big 12 better than the KU team that beat us two years ago when we had a better QB, better WRs, and a good RB (Walker) who the brain trust benched for the first quarter. It is far from a given that we would win the Big 12. We would have a shot, but there are plenty of teams that could play with us.
That Bad auburn team dominated Baylor in Waco and would beat 90% of big12 teams. Same with Texas and Michigan would be a top 3 team in the big12. As you say, FFS.

This OU team would skulldrag the entire big12 this year. Your blind hatred of OU and BV refuses to acknowledge basic facts.
 
Huh? You don’t think labeling someone as a first round pick after four mediocre games speaks to his credibility as an analyst?

Those "mediocre" four games that you're horrifically misquoting stats about were what placed him as the betting favorite for Heisman, which is infinitely more relevant to a college fanbase than draft projection.

Again, I never saw him as a star, and have said as much in this thread. But it was EVERYBODY, not just Gabe, that was impressed with his start in comparison to the rest of the country. Gabe has no influence over Heisman betting odds.
 
That Bad auburn team dominated Baylor in Waco and would beat 90% of big12 teams. Same with Texas and Michigan would be a top 3 team in the big12. As you say, FFS.

This OU team would skulldrag the entire big12 this year. Your blind hatred of OU and BV refuses to acknowledge basic facts.

Tell him about the SC team we smoked that was tied with Alabama late. His head will explode.

Or maybe he thinks Alabama would be 5th place in the Big 12.
 
That Bad auburn team dominated Baylor in Waco and would beat 90% of big12 teams. Same with Texas and Michigan would be a top 3 team in the big12. As you say, FFS.

This OU team would skulldrag the entire big12 this year. Your blind hatred of OU and BV refuses to acknowledge basic facts.
Baylor is 2-3 in the Big 12, with one of those wins against OSU. Congrats, you have established that we are better than a team likely to finish 10th in the Big 12. As for basic facts, I will point to the one that matters in assessing Brent and the Big 12: 10-8, which was his record against said conference. Would that get us a league title?
 
Those "mediocre" four games that you're horrifically misquoting stats about were what placed him as the betting favorite for Heisman, which is infinitely more relevant to a college fanbase than draft projection.

Again, I never saw him as a star, and have said as much in this thread. But it was EVERYBODY, not just Gabe, that was impressed with his start in comparison to the rest of the country. Gabe has no influence over Heisman betting odds.
What stat did I misquote? Was it not Mateer throwing those INTs?
 
As for basic facts, I will point to the one that matters in assessing Brent and the Big 12: 10-8, which was his record against said conference. Would that get us a league title?

You're talking about a previous team. We're talking about the current one.
 
Baylor is 2-3 in the Big 12, with one of those wins against OSU. Congrats, you have established that we are better than a team likely to finish 10th in the Big 12. As for basic facts, I will point to the one that matters in assessing Brent and the Big 12: 10-8, which was his record against said conference. Would that get us a league title?
OU would dominate the Big12 and cruise to a big12 title with this team. Texas tech and Cincinnati are two of the best teams and we would kick the crap out of both and Utah and byu and everyone else. It wouldn’t be close. Then we might win a playoff game until we played an actual good team that would beat us.

You’re also talking about his first team, which sucked. His second team was better and if not for some BS in Stillwater, would’ve played for the big12 title. This years team would kill the big12.

You’re just being obtuse, as usual. You wouldn’t acknowledge anything good about OU under BV.
 
Tell him about the SC team we smoked that was tied with Alabama late. His head will explode.

Or maybe he thinks Alabama would be 5th place in the Big 12.
If you look at the rosters of teams in this league vs big12, it’s laughable. This league has the most talented players and the most talented coaches. It’s a completely different level every week. We played south Carolina and Auburn, who aren’t great teams but they have NFL players everywhere and they play really good defense. Yet wichita thinks it’s the same as playing mid teams in the big12. It’s a joke and you can’t argue with people that refuse to acknowledge basic facts.
 
Mateer is ranked #94 in the country for qb rating.
64% completion
7.6 ypa
8 TDs 6 INTs

For QBR he is #46 (raw he is 86...assuming this is adjusted for level of competition?)

Here are some other sooner qbs ratings (career avg at OU):


Kyler 199
Hurts 191
Mayfield 189
Bradford 175
C. Williams 170
Gabriel 163
Rattler 163
White 152
Jones 141
Thompson 137
Heupel 136
Mateer 133
Bell 128
Hawkings jr 127
Arnold 125
Knight 124
Hybl 123
Bomar 114


FYI...if you take out illinois state, Mateer is at 123
 
If you look at the rosters of teams in this league vs big12, it’s laughable. This league has the most talented players and the most talented coaches. It’s a completely different level every week. We played south Carolina and Auburn, who aren’t great teams but they have NFL players everywhere and they play really good defense. Yet wichita thinks it’s the same as playing mid teams in the big12. It’s a joke and you can’t argue with people that refuse to acknowledge basic facts.

Ole Miss is better this year than the KSU and ISUs that Riley was losing to. I'm not sure there was ever a Big XII title game foe under Riley that was clearly better than this Ole Miss squad. Maybe one or two were comparable.

There was a clear gap between Big XII and SEC when Bob was still here, which expanded every year, and has absolutely exploded the last two years.
 
and just for a comparison on how the game has changed,
Heupels 139 in the year 2000 was good for the 14th best rating in the country
 
People are giving Ole Miss too much credit. Credit to them for winning close games but I really don't think they are a great team.
7 point win vs kentucky
6 point win vs arkansas
5 point win vs lsu
3 point win vs wsu
10 point loss @ georgia (should have won)
 
People are giving Ole Miss too much credit. Credit to them for winning close games but I really don't think they are a great team.
7 point win vs kentucky
6 point win vs arkansas
5 point win vs lsu
3 point win vs wsu
10 point loss @ georgia (should have won)
Their offense is great. Their defense is suspect. If you look at every top 10 team, they all have issues. Bama can’t run the ball and defense is mid. Oregon is suspect. Ohio st and Indiana could be great but it’s hard to tell when they only play Big10 teams. Nobody has really separated themselves.
 
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