Football question

[Boom Soon]

As for whether it should have been a penalty, every single rules analyst I’ve heard discuss it has said it was an illegal play. Do you think any conference would ever want to publicly admit screwing up unless there was no question they blew the call? It doesn’t matter if we actually substituted. And if the ref did signal that the play was legal, that doesn’t change the fact that they were wrong.

I’m calling you out on the appeal to authority fallacy on this one. The rules analysts have got themselves into a dither over this and it gives them something to talk about. I don’t care what they say. It was a legal play. Wide receivers can line up way outside if they want to. That’s all he did. He just walked over and stood there.

 

[mict085]

I agree it’s not played in a vacuum. But we would have been in second and a mile if they called it properly, and the odds of getting more than a field goal would have been remote at best. There is no way of knowing for certain how the game plays out, but one thing I do know is that if that happens in reverse and we were the team victimized, the fan base would be complaining for weeks. I mean, in a game where points were very hard to come by, getting 7 on a missed call is a pretty big deal.

As for whether it should have been a penalty, every single rules analyst I’ve heard discuss it has said it was an illegal play. Do you think any conference would ever want to publicly admit screwing up unless there was no question they blew the call? It doesn’t matter if we actually substituted. And if the ref did signal that the play was legal, that doesn’t change the fact that they were wrong.

They did call it properly. It was a legal play. I don’t give a **** what the league office said, there was nothing illegal about that play. Lane Kiffin and ole miss ran the same play a few years ago against a&m, DC Durkin as well, and the SEC said it was legal then too and did nothing.

 

[CMSOONER]

another potentially great corner....whose career also ended because of a car accident.....michael thompson
he....strait....williams....everage....might have been the best secondary in ou history. (throw in thatcher and ontei jones as well)
i think thompson was only a redshirt freshman on the national championship team.

Andre Woolfolk was on that team too.

 

[Eielson]

So your argument is that it was a good decision because it put us in a slightly better position if we immediately gave up a touchdown? That’s the kind of timid, worst case scenario thinking I don’t like from a coach.

If we don't give up a score, then our decision on 4th down is of no significance, so I don't understand why you're even talking about that.

Due to the FG, we could have still won the game on the final drive without getting into the end zone. Ultimately we did, but those final few yards can be really though. Additionally, it took away the chance for them to tie with a FG.

For most of our offenses over the past 25 years, I would have gone for it on 4th and 2 to close out the game. But that's not the offense we've had the past two seasons. And BV has to make decisions based on the team we have.

 

[Eielson]

They did call it properly. It was a legal play. I don’t give a **** what the league office said, there was nothing illegal about that play. Lane Kiffin and ole miss ran the same play a few years ago against a&m, DC Durkin as well, and the SEC said it was legal then too and did nothing.

He literally pointed to the official to okay it with them. The official can't give you permission and then change their mind. I don't like that type of play, but it was brilliantly done. Some people just like to complain.

 

[mict085]

He literally pointed to the official to okay it with them. The official can't give you permission and then change their mind. I don't like that type of play, but it was brilliantly done. Some people just like to complain.

Toby also said the coaches discussed it with the refs in pregame and they said it was legal, which makes the SEC office look even more stupid.

 

[CoachTalk]

SEC appears to have deleted all those statements via social media.

Legal “trick” play

 

[BoulderSooner]

Anyone want to call #4 a great CB? Anytime OU blitzes Arnold is throwing a jump ball to Coleman and Auburn wins.

Coleman is a future 1st round pick .. he is a star

 

[BoulderSooner]

It’s an atrocious call. It didn’t make it a two possession game. It showed a total lack of confidence in his offense. And it immediately bit us in the ass. There is no analytic model that would support that decision.

very much disagree .. i thought is was the right call at the time in the stadium .. and still think it is now ..

 

[BoulderSooner]

And if the refs didn’t blow a basic rule interpretation, our offense wouldn’t have reached 20 yesterday, either. As far as the DBs, we are a third of the way into the season now and haven’t gotten a turnover. This might just be something we have to have to deal with all season.

and yet statistically have the best Defense in the Nation ..

 

[WichitaSooner]

It's crazy how many of you who have never read a rulebook or officiated or have any in-depth knowledge of the rule are suggesting you know better than people who know this stuff for a living. In what other area of life is this a thing? "I don't care what the pilot says, he is full of crap. .I have watched Top Gun and I know he is wrong when he talks about how to fly a plane." "That doctor is full of it. Yes, he went to medical school and has spend decades learning and practicing his craft, but I googled and he is just wrong."

This board freaks out five minutes into every basketball game when a judgment call goes against us on a play that has no real impact on the game. But when a major call is messed up in our favor, people want to just pretend like it isn't a big thing, or that the call was correct? Is it that hard to just admit that we got fortunate? I am not saying we owe anyone any apologies. Breaks happen in sports, and sometimes they are in your favor and sometimes not. The refs are the ones who messed up, not us. It is exactly the same as what happened in the Missouri-KU game. Mizzou asked the refs before a kickoff whether they could punt the kickoff. The refs said yes, so Mizzou did. After the game, the Big 12 reprimanded the crew and suspended them for a week. And you know what? Coach Drink came out and said "we knew it wasn't legal, we knew the crew was wrong, but when they said we could do it, we weren't going to ask twice."

 

[Sooner04]

Both sides of the FG at 13-10 argument have merit. If this were a shootout in the Big 12, say 43-40, I go for the TD. Get up by two possessions. But, by kicking the FG Saturday, we painted the rest of the picture. It's 16-10 and now Auburn knows what it must do. If the worst case happens, then we too know what we must do. That's liberating in its own way. And if Auburn doesn't jump on 4th and 1 we smell like a rose because we had that play blown to bits.

I don't know how we're going to scheme some yards on the ground, but I am loving the nastiness of our D-line. And I'm stunned at the home cooking we got on both the major reviews. Who knows how this game turns out if Auburn keeps the scoop and score. 10-point swing on a single call. Crazy.

 

[Sooner04]

Whether it's college or pro, the CB position has definitely not been kind to OU. The guy who might have been the best ever at OU was a guy by the name of Andre Johnson. He was a starter as a freshman back in 1984. Sadly, he was badly injured in a car accident that pretty much ended his career. Dante Jones once said that the games against Miami would have ended differently because he would have been able to cover Michael Irvin. The last above-average NFL cornerback OU produced? Bobby Boyd was a great one, but he retired 57 years ago. As for this century, I thought Thorpe winner Derrick Strait would have been at least a solid NFL CB, but that didn't materialize.

Andre Johnson. I always wondered what became of him. It's easy to track the name "Keith Stanberry", who was on his way to being a first-round draft pick, but there are a gazillion Andre Johnsons running around out there. #6 in the NE corner of the Cotton Bowl covering Bill Boy Bryant. Poor guy only had a few more games of football left. Sad.

 

[BCSooners]

Coleman is a future 1st round pick .. he is a star

Agreed. That's why I didn't like #4 being 1on1 with him so often. But obviously the game plan worked, Arnold doesn't see things well at all.

 

[CoachTalk]

It's crazy how many of you who have never read a rulebook or officiated or have any in-depth knowledge of the rule are suggesting you know better than people who know this stuff for a living. In what other area of life is this a thing? "I don't care what the pilot says, he is full of crap. .I have watched Top Gun and I know he is wrong when he talks about how to fly a plane." "That doctor is full of it. Yes, he went to medical school and has spend decades learning and practicing his craft, but I googled and he is just wrong."

This board freaks out five minutes into every basketball game when a judgment call goes against us on a play that has no real impact on the game. But when a major call is messed up in our favor, people want to just pretend like it isn't a big thing, or that the call was correct? Is it that hard to just admit that we got fortunate? I am not saying we owe anyone any apologies. Breaks happen in sports, and sometimes they are in your favor and sometimes not. The refs are the ones who messed up, not us. It is exactly the same as what happened in the Missouri-KU game. Mizzou asked the refs before a kickoff whether they could punt the kickoff. The refs said yes, so Mizzou did. After the game, the Big 12 reprimanded the crew and suspended them for a week. And you know what? Coach Drink came out and said "we knew it wasn't legal, we knew the crew was wrong, but when they said we could do it, we weren't going to ask twice."

SEC is walking back like crazy. It’s a legal play.

 

[Boom Soon]

SEC is walking back like crazy. It’s a legal play.

There is no way Wichita actually thinks the play was illegal. He has eyes and common sense. You don’t even need to know the rule book to understand that Oklahoma was not being that deceptive. The Oklahoma wide receiver didn’t even leave the field of play. If that is deceptive, then we need to put little flags on the running backs, so the defenders know whenever they try to sneak out the backfield for a pass. That’s definitely deceptive! The problem for Wichita is he used the “illegal” touchdown argument as a way to disparage OU’s victory. Now he has to roll with it or walk it back like the SEC has already done. And he’s choosing to roll with it.

 

[hoopsaustin]

It's crazy how many of you who have never read a rulebook or officiated or have any in-depth knowledge of the rule are suggesting you know better than people who know this stuff for a living. In what other area of life is this a thing? "I don't care what the pilot says, he is full of crap. .I have watched Top Gun and I know he is wrong when he talks about how to fly a plane." "That doctor is full of it. Yes, he went to medical school and has spend decades learning and practicing his craft, but I googled and he is just wrong."

This board freaks out five minutes into every basketball game when a judgment call goes against us on a play that has no real impact on the game. But when a major call is messed up in our favor, people want to just pretend like it isn't a big thing, or that the call was correct? Is it that hard to just admit that we got fortunate? I am not saying we owe anyone any apologies. Breaks happen in sports, and sometimes they are in your favor and sometimes not. The refs are the ones who messed up, not us. It is exactly the same as what happened in the Missouri-KU game. Mizzou asked the refs before a kickoff whether they could punt the kickoff. The refs said yes, so Mizzou did. After the game, the Big 12 reprimanded the crew and suspended them for a week. And you know what? Coach Drink came out and said "we knew it wasn't legal, we knew the crew was wrong, but when they said we could do it, we weren't going to ask twice."

Explain it to me like I'm stupid.. what did we do wrong? We should have alerted the defense to guard our WR? We have to line up within a certain footage from the hash marks? A WR cant move more outside to line up after previously lining up more inside on the prior play? The WR should have dropped the ball on purpose, or mateer not throw it, for the integrity of the game? Dumb it down for a simpleton like me.

Also, what is your crusade here about? That we deserved to lose..? What would you have OU do, forfeit?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

lol, what?

I don't care what the SEC says, OU didn't break a rule on that play. Our player never acted like he was going to leave the game. He simply lined up wide, checked with the ref, and we were ready to snap the ball as soon as the refs allowed us to. Ole Miss ran the same play 2 years ago. There was no deception. No leaving the field and sneaking back on. No "hiding". No trying to hide that player by running others on and off. We didn't substitute on that play.

Also, the game is not played in a vacuum. If OU gets flagged there and doesn't score, or kicks a field goal, the rest of the game plays out differently. It doesn't go exactly how it did from then on. Suggesting it would.....I don't know, I'll be nice, it's just silly.

exactly. The SEC is wrong on their statement they made. And I have a feeling they will be making another statement soon

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I agree it’s not played in a vacuum. But we would have been in second and a mile if they called it properly, and the odds of getting more than a field goal would have been remote at best. There is no way of knowing for certain how the game plays out, but one thing I do know is that if that happens in reverse and we were the team victimized, the fan base would be complaining for weeks. I mean, in a game where points were very hard to come by, getting 7 on a missed call is a pretty big deal.

As for whether it should have been a penalty, every single rules analyst I’ve heard discuss it has said it was an illegal play. Do you think any conference would ever want to publicly admit screwing up unless there was no question they blew the call? It doesn’t matter if we actually substituted. And if the ref did signal that the play was legal, that doesn’t change the fact that they were wrong.

Most "rules analysts" probably only saw the tv camera angle and made their comments without knowing what really happened.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Explain it to me like I'm stupid.. what did we do wrong? We should have alerted the defense to guard our WR? We have to line up within a certain footage from the hash marks? A WR cant move more outside to line up after previously lining up more inside on the prior play? The WR should have dropped the ball on purpose, or mateer not throw it, for the integrity of the game? Dumb it down for a simpleton like me.

Also, what is your crusade here about? That we deserved to lose..? What would you have OU do, forfeit?

Absolutely not. I just expressly said that we owe no one an apology and that the refs are the ones who screwed up, not us. My only point is that we got a massive break and it's ok to acknowledge it. It was a very close game, our offense didn't play well, and getting 7 points on that play is a big deal. We may well have won without it. We may not have. But for people to act like it wasn't a big deal, while also crying about foul calls and penalties during every game thread (and spending two full seasons whining about Big 12 refs intentionally screwing us because we had more holding calls than our opponents) is just silly. I just want people to have consistent views. There is nothing wrong with cheering passionately for your team but also being objective enough to admit when you catch a break.

As far as what was illegal, I think the statement was pretty clear in saying it was a hideout tactic. Clearly the intent of the play was for them to think he was walking off the field. We can debate whether we think that should or should not be legal, but I don't know how anyone could watch the play and act like it was just a typical play where Sategna just lined up wide. I mean, Stoops even confirmed to the radio crew that OU spent time last week working on it as a special play, which pretty clear shows that we were trying to deceive them and it wasn't just a "normal" play with a WR lined up wide.