Football question

[Boom Soon]

arbuckle needs to bring in better qb's in the future

1000%.

 

[Eielson]

Baker went from lightly recruited walkon to Heisman.

Big 12 Freshman of the Year under Kingsbury.

Kyler was an elite recruit

Correct.

Hurts likely wasn't even on any NFL teams radar

LMAO

Rattler did sit for a season and then play really well his first year as the starter,

He regressed under Riley.

 

[WaymanFan]

Hurts...did he really get better at OU?

YES. He would have been a 6th / 7th round draft pick had he stayed at Alabama to back up Tua. Instead, he became a Heisman Trophy runner-up and a 2nd round draft pick. Lincoln Riley gets credit for that whether people like it or not. More importantly, Jalen Hurts gives him credit for that. That is why in spite of spending three years at Alabama and starting in two National Championship games, he says "Roll Sooners" in his Sunday Night NBC game introductions.

As for the current team, are we just snakebit on the offensive line or is there a coaching / conditioning problem? All schools have injury issues, but this is off the charts. Can we borrow Trent W, Creed H and Lane J for a game or two?

 

[Sooner04]

You can invite Trent, but he'd probably hold out.

 

[BoulderSooner]

YES. He would have been a 6th / 7th round draft pick had he stayed at Alabama to back up Tua. Instead, he became a Heisman Trophy runner-up and a 2nd round draft pick. Lincoln Riley gets credit for that whether people like it or not. More importantly, Jalen Hurts gives him credit for that. That is why in spite of spending three years at Alabama and starting in two National Championship games, he says "Roll Sooners" in his Sunday Night NBC game introductions.

As for the current team, are we just snakebit on the offensive line or is there a coaching / conditioning problem? All schools have injury issues, but this is off the charts. Can we borrow Trent W, Creed H and Lane J for a game or two?

the biggest year in Hurts improvement came in his year as the back up at Alabama .. (and you saw that in the SEC championship game)

 

[Eielson]

the biggest year in Hurts improvement came in his year as the back up at Alabama .. (and you saw that in the SEC championship game)

Absolutely. He could have turned pro after that and been a 3rd or 4th rounder. His year at OU certainly helped his draft stock, but anybody pretending he wasn't on NFL radars simply doesn't know what they're talking about.

 

[CoachTalk]

Absolutely. He could have turned pro after that and been a 3rd or 4th rounder. His year at OU certainly helped his draft stock, but anybody pretending he wasn't on NFL radars simply doesn't know what they're talking about.

Don’t think so.! Late draft pick if left after bama.

 

[hoopsaustin]

if mateer had a injury that would cause him to miss a game Hawkins would 100% start ..

if he gets knocked out of a tied game this weekend in the second Q hawkins will come in ..


if his helmet gets knocked off .. and he has to leave for 1 play .. it will not be hawkins ..

I'm not sure this is true imo. Players look out for themselves now (I prolly would tell my son not to come out)

 

[hoopsaustin]

Which of Riley's QBs have gotten better under him? I think it is his scheme that produces these great QBs rather than him improving them

Baker Mayfield came in elite. This is Rileys best coaching job...turning him into what he is
Kyler...one year of excellent play at OU.
Hurts...did he really get better at OU?
Rattler...decent first year. Bad second year. And was not great at s. carolina
Caleb Williams...did he improve at all in 3 years under riley?
Shane carden...didn't improve during his 3 years
Dominique Davis...didn't improve
Miller Moss...had a great first year rileys first year and then stunk the following 3 years

This isn't to say riley isn't a great qb coach. I just think he has been extremely luck to bring in elite talent that fits his scheme.
I think if any qb coach had that list of qbs, they all would be considered qb gurus.

Carden increased his passing yards by +1600 yards and sustained that for 2 years FWIW. I'm not buying your narrative

 

[hoopsaustin]

Big 12 Freshman of the Year under Kingsbury.


Correct.




LMAO




He regressed under Riley.

Hes not wrong about hurts.. he was cast into the abyss. Backup QBs dont get drafted.. see: Spencer sanders (lulz)

 

[hoopsaustin]

Absolutely. He could have turned pro after that and been a 3rd or 4th rounder. His year at OU certainly helped his draft stock, but anybody pretending he wasn't on NFL radars simply doesn't know what they're talking about.

You're high imo. GMs dont hang their hats on backup QBs.. they want winners. No one wants to buy the losing horse..

 

[WTSooner]

Mateer is almost for sure returning to OU next season

He always has been.

Not sure where OU fans got the narrative that Mateer would ever be a high enough NFL pick to leave this year. Even pre-injury, did you see an NFL QB when you watched him play? That delivery is not going to play well in the NFL. The lack of a good deep ball is not going to play well in the NFL. Mateer is likely going to be a guy that can be a very good college QB but his ceiling in the NFL is likely going to be that of a backup. That is my opinion. He isn't going to change that this year, but if he comes back, nobody really knows how much better he could get. Still don't like him in the NFL much.

 

[WTSooner]

Which of Riley's QBs have gotten better under him? I think it is his scheme that produces these great QBs rather than him improving them

Baker Mayfield came in elite. This is Rileys best coaching job...turning him into what he is
Kyler...one year of excellent play at OU.
Hurts...did he really get better at OU?
Rattler...decent first year. Bad second year. And was not great at s. carolina
Caleb Williams...did he improve at all in 3 years under riley?
Shane carden...didn't improve during his 3 years
Dominique Davis...didn't improve
Miller Moss...had a great first year rileys first year and then stunk the following 3 years

This isn't to say riley isn't a great qb coach. I just think he has been extremely luck to bring in elite talent that fits his scheme.
I think if any qb coach had that list of qbs, they all would be considered qb gurus.

So you think Mayfield, Murray, and Williams were starting NFL QB's before they ever played for Riley?

That's an interesting take.

 

[hoopsaustin]

He always has been.

Not sure where OU fans got the narrative that Mateer would ever be a high enough NFL pick to leave this year. Even pre-injury, did you see an NFL QB when you watched him play? That delivery is not going to play well in the NFL. The lack of a good deep ball is not going to play well in the NFL. Mateer is likely going to be a guy that can be a very good college QB but his ceiling in the NFL is likely going to be that of a backup. That is my opinion. He isn't going to change that this year, but if he comes back, nobody really knows how much better he could get. Still don't like him in the NFL much.

Perception is reality.. arch was a shoe-in for the #1 overall pick lolol.

Dillon Gabriel isn't a nfl QB imo and hes starting (to be fair, its the browns- the worst franchise in nfl history). But mateer has the similar issues Gabriel has/had and mateer was getting all sorts of publicity.

I dont think hes any better than rattler personally - rattler has a better arm too but mateer is faster. Both make bad decisions with the ball

 

[WichitaSooner]

Perception is reality.. arch was a shoe-in for the #1 overall pick lolol.

Dillon Gabriel isn't a nfl QB imo and hes starting (to be fair, its the browns- the worst franchise in nfl history). But mateer has the similar issues Gabriel has/had and mateer was getting all sorts of publicity.

I dont think hes any better than rattler personally - rattler has a better arm too but mateer is faster. Both make bad decisions with the ball

The odd thing (although, they are big enough homers that I shouldn't be surprised) is that even OU media guys were talking about Mateer as a potential first round pick after the first three or four games, even though he had thrown way too many picks and put a lot of other balls at risk. Gabriel was a lot more accurate than Mateer, I think his arm strength and size were always his biggest issues. IMHO, Mateer has to improve a lot as a passer to be a viable NFL guy, but you are right that a lot of mediocre guys end up making rosters. And guys can/do improve with experience and NFL coaching.

 

[WTSooner]

Perception is reality.. arch was a shoe-in for the #1 overall pick lolol.

Dillon Gabriel isn't a nfl QB imo and hes starting (to be fair, its the browns- the worst franchise in nfl history). But mateer has the similar issues Gabriel has/had and mateer was getting all sorts of publicity.

I dont think hes any better than rattler personally - rattler has a better arm too but mateer is faster. Both make bad decisions with the ball

Mediocre guys end up playing (and sometimes even starting) in the NFL. But they rarely get drafted high enough to forgo their Senior year of college call.

Gabriel wanted to leave a year earlier, but wasn't going to get drafted high enough.
People thought Ewers would leave earlier, but even after staying, got drafted late.
Rattler is starting, but was a 5th round pick after exhausting his college eligibility.

No college QB is leaving early to be drafted in the back half of the NFL draft. I never saw Mateer as a guy that could go earlier this year. Next year? He'll need to get better.

 

[BoulderSooner]

The odd thing (although, they are big enough homers that I shouldn't be surprised) is that even OU media guys were talking about Mateer as a potential first round pick after the first three or four games, even though he had thrown way too many picks and put a lot of other balls at risk. Gabriel was a lot more accurate than Mateer, I think his arm strength and size were always his biggest issues. IMHO, Mateer has to improve a lot as a passer to be a viable NFL guy, but you are right that a lot of mediocre guys end up making rosters. And guys can/do improve with experience and NFL coaching.

not just OU guys .. Todd Mcshay was leading that charge .. and he is not an OU guy in any way

 

[WTSooner]

I am obviously not a Brent fan and don’t think he makes good decisions, but the decision to start Mateer against Texas doesn’t bother me at all. Hawkins just isn’t very good. If Mateer is medically cleared by the doctors and is telling you he can play, you play him. Sitting him because you think the committee won’t hold it against you if you lose with Hawkins is not the mentality I want. I know the 12-team playoff gives you more wiggle room to overcome a loss, but I still don’t think you should approach a game, especially a game against your rival, as if you can afford to play your backup because a loss won’t hurt you. If Hawkins had played well against Kent State and shown real growth from last season, then maybe it’s a fair question. But with his awful mechanics and inaccurate throws, there was no reason to think he’d be able to do much against Texas.

I would love to know:

1. What you don't like about Brent turning a historically bad defense into one of the top defenses in the country, and bringing in multiple NFL-caliber DT's, something we haven't been able to do, in 3-4 season.
2. I'd also like to know what BV decisions you have a problem with this year? We're 6-1, I wouldn't think there is much you could complain about. Curious what you will come up with?

 

[WichitaSooner]

I would love to know:

1. What you don't like about Brent turning a historically bad defense into one of the top defenses in the country, and bringing in multiple NFL-caliber DT's, something we haven't been able to do, in 3-4 season.
2. I'd also like to know what BV decisions you have a problem with this year? We're 6-1, I wouldn't think there is much you could complain about. Curious what you will come up with?

Brent is our head coach. I have never said I am not happy with our defense. But he is in charge of our entire program, so just like Lincoln deserved blame for our defense and special teams, Brent deserves blame for, among other things: three straight years of confusing and bad RB rotations; a steady decline in the play of our OL; a steady decline in our WR room; his handling of the Garbiel/Arnold situation; his coaching hires and reluctance to get rid of coaches who haven't pulled their weight; his in-game decisions (poor clock management, wasted timeouts, overly conservative decisions on fourth down, taking too long to make decisions); our undisciplined play, as evidenced by turnovers and penalties; our struggles in close games; and the overall decline in offensive talent, as shown by the lack of players getting drafted, getting combine invites, or making all conference or All American teams).

This year has been better, but our schedule is heavily backloaded, so we will truly see if his coaching has improved when we play tough competition and end up in close games where that stuff makes a huge difference. He bungled the end of the first half against Texas beyond belief. It was discouraging that as much as we dominated the first half last week, the game was closer than it should have been at the half because of undisciplined personal fouls. Our special teams have hurt us against Texas and Michigan -- those details matter.

But I guess I will ask you -- you certainly are like me when it comes to Moser -- you don't hesitate to critique him even when our team has a sparkling noncon record. So while 6-1 is good, that doesn't mean that there is nothing to be concerned about. We have played four "real" games, and looked awful against Texas, mediocre at best against Auburn. We were good against Michigan and I liked the way we played last week, but the offense failed to build on that fast start.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Carden increased his passing yards by +1600 yards and sustained that for 2 years FWIW. I'm not buying your narrative

His passer rating was 143, 150, 140