Football question

[Eielson]

I still would like you to explain why you bash people for complaining about the football team but you have no problem doing it about the basketball team.

We are 1 win away from making the CFP, which would mean we advanced further than the basketball team has in any season over the past decade. It's pretty simple.

Some of you were also confident this group of WRs was a massive upgrade. I’m not sure why, after four years, we should just have blind faith that it’ll be much better next year.

You realize Sategna is a newcomer, right? The person you were praising in your previous post, saying he is too good not to get more touches despite being on pace for >1K yards. These WRs are unequivocally better than the decimated receiver room from last year.

And we have not had bad offenses for four straight years. We have been top 25 in scoring offense twice, including a top 5 finish.

It's really impressive how consistently you get facts wrong.

 

[WichitaSooner]

We are 1 win away from making the CFP, which would mean we advanced further than the basketball team has in any season over the past decade. It's pretty simple.



You realize Sategna is a newcomer, right? The person you were praising in your previous post, saying he is too good not to get more touches despite being on pace for >1K yards. These WRs are unequivocally better than the decimated receiver room from last year.

And we have not had bad offenses for four straight years. We have been top 25 in scoring offense twice, including a top 5 finish.

It's really impressive how consistently you get facts wrong.

Didn’t realize you were a mouthpiece for the poster I was replying to so I’ll let him speak for himself. He’s an intelligent poster so I know he is perfectly capable of doing so.

 

[Sooner04]

Nothing is going to change this year. There is no magic wand to wave to fix things.

Crowd sounded great on TV. Kudos.

I'm complaining about the offense because I see things that are needlessly doing harm to the greater cause. From the moment we went up 14-3 we should've had one eye on the clock every single snap. If I had the time, I'd go back and see how often we snapped the ball with 10+ seconds on the PC with a running clock. The amount of free time we gave Mizzou was infuriating. As a team that is utterly incapable of stretching a defense through the vertical passing game, why on Earth call a deep out to the sideline on 3rd and 2 from midfield? We just brought in a RB with fresh legs and lined him up as a boundary receiver! We have the best FG kicker in America......we're 15 yards from three more points and a two-TD lead. And the call is 20-yards downfield on a route we haven't completed in two months? Sheesh !!

All that said, I'm so excited for next Saturday. It is an absolute pleasure to watch this defense go to work. I've been chirping for a few weeks with worry about the backend but those dudes came to play today. Several times they made the hit on the big Mizzou horse on the stretch play. Coverage was shored up, at least from my amateur viewpoint. 10-2 was a pipe dream after the Ole Miss loss. Now we're staring down the barrel of a home playoff game, assuming the committee doesn't screw us and prop the Irish up to 8. Bastards.

 

[Eielson]

Didn’t realize you were a mouthpiece for the poster I was replying to so I’ll let him speak for himself. He’s an intelligent poster so I know he is perfectly capable of doing so.

I love that this team has proven you so wrong that you've given up talking football with me and instead have to resort to arguing grammar and telling people which posts they are allowed to respond to.

 

[WaymanFan]

I'm not going to read thru the game comments. I was actually at the game, cheering for an OU team that is one win away from the Playoffs.

I'll assume it's more of the same, bitching about an offense we all know isn't pulling it's weight, despite having 3 freshmen (two true freshmen) starting on the OL, a QB with screws holding his thumb together, a young OC learning on the job against SEC competition, a RB room with 1 healthy, playable RB, and a WR room that probably needs an upgrade.

Nothing is going to change this year. There is no magic wand to wave to fix things. It will get addressed in a major way this offseason. If you can't find the fun in rooting for a 9-2 OU team that is chasing a Playoff birth while trotting out a truly elite defense every Saturday, I don't know what to tell you. But some of you literally complain about everything. EVERYTHING. Life is too short and that is exhausting. There are a bunch of fans of other teams that would gladly take what we have currently.

First off, the crowd was LOUD...so thank you for that .

As for the in-game comments, I rarely participate but did this time. Most of the complaining was directed toward Arbuckle and deservedly so. That is one thing we can fix between now and the end of the season. BV can basically remind him he needs to do a much better job of managing the clock and calling plays that aren't completely nonsensical. For example, when you have a "3rd and 2" situation coupled with a QB that rarely completes a pass that goes further than 10-15 yards in the air, you don't call such a play. At this point, I'll settle for common sense as a magic wand.

Beyond that, you are correct in that we should all be celebrating this season and the fact we're one game away from making the playoffs. This is clearly the best OU defense since 2001 and they're fun to watch!

 

[daqman]

We are 1 win away from making the CFP, which would mean we advanced further than the basketball team has in any season over the past decade. It's pretty simple.



You realize Sategna is a newcomer, right? The person you were praising in your previous post, saying he is too good not to get more touches despite being on pace for >1K yards. These WRs are unequivocally better than the decimated receiver room from last year.

And we have not had bad offenses for four straight years. We have been top 25 in scoring offense twice, including a top 5 finish.

It's really impressive how consistently you get facts wrong.

it's funny to watch....you argue just for the sake of arguing....all the while proving wichitas point.
he said sategna needs more touches. you immediately take the opposite position....pointing out single explosive plays in a few games.
do you know how numbers work? satagena had 3 receptions and took one to the house yesterday.. what if he had 6 receptions? or 9?
but you keep arguing stupidity. everything is perfect the way it is right?

 

[daqman]

I'm not going to read thru the game comments. I was actually at the game, cheering for an OU team that is one win away from the Playoffs.

I'll assume it's more of the same, bitching about an offense we all know isn't pulling it's weight, despite having 3 freshmen (two true freshmen) starting on the OL, a QB with screws holding his thumb together, a young OC learning on the job against SEC competition, a RB room with 1 healthy, playable RB, and a WR room that probably needs an upgrade.

Nothing is going to change this year. There is no magic wand to wave to fix things. It will get addressed in a major way this offseason. If you can't find the fun in rooting for a 9-2 OU team that is chasing a Playoff birth while trotting out a truly elite defense every Saturday, I don't know what to tell you. But some of you literally complain about everything. EVERYTHING. Life is too short and that is exhausting. There are a bunch of fans of other teams that would gladly take what we have currently.

of course it's not going to get fixed this season....we have an oc that doesn't know what to call on 3rd and 2 at midfield when one more fg might seal the game.
why would he know how to fix the massive problems we have on offense?
shocking that somebody on the staff hasn't suggested to ba that this offense needs to be ball control....like mizzou's first drive. short passes that mateer can make...mixed in with qb run game.
does mateer make amazing throws in practice that ba thinks he can also make on saturdays?

 

[WTSooner]

I still would like you to explain why you bash people for complaining about the football team but you have no problem doing it about the basketball team. The only difference I can see is that you like Brent and don’t like Moser. But if you think it’s fair to complain about one coach consistently, how can you argue with a straight face that it’s not ok for others to do it about the football staff.

And I get it … as of right now, our football team is in a better spot. But last year, our basketball team had a better season than Brent’s team, which went under .500 for a second time in three years. And I wonder what makes you so confident the offense will be fixed after the season. We tried that last year and it yielded a massive bust at RB and a below average quarterback. Some of you were also confident this group of WRs was a massive upgrade. I’m not sure why, after four years, we should just have blind faith that it’ll be much better next year.

For the same reason I shut my effing mouth last season when OU basketball was winning some games and on pace to make the NCAA Tournament. You (not you, but kind of you) look ridiculous when you do nothing but bitch and moan about a team that is 9-2 and on the verge of making the Playoffs with an incredibly tough schedule. We lead the nation is wins over ranked teams. There is WAY more going right for the team and program than is going wrong, yet you spend 99.9% (and I'm being generous) of your time complaining about the one thing that isn't championship caliber. It's wild.

I get it, BV's first few seasons here were up and down. 2023, however, wasn't as bad as folks want to make it out to be, and 2024 was our first season playing in the best college football conference in the country and we got the offensive stuff WAY wrong. None of that is true for Moser. BV doesn't have a history as a HC. Moser does, and I never liked it. I think BV is a great fit at OU. I don't think Moser is. At all. But again, I stfu last season when we were winning some games, because to show up every day and bag on a coach and team that are, to some degree, meeting expectations for that season, is efing ridiculous. And I'm not a ridiculous person.

Hope that helps.

Oh, what makes me confident the offense will get fixed this offseason? How about all of the other things that BV has fixed. He's grown as a HC and has actually made a lot of really good decisions this year. He's improved to the defense pretty much every year. Special teams were a problem and we fixed that in one offseason. The offense was awful last year, changes were made, and it's not awful (despite what some of you want to say) anymore. Does it need to get better? Yes. OU doesn't have a bottomless pile of cash to throw at problems, that is why SOME changes and improvements may take time. OU doesn't need to end up like aTm or LSU, paying ex-coaches tens of millions of dollars over the next decade or more. We can't do business that way. When is the last time you donated to football NIL or even attended a game?

 

[WTSooner]

Now we're staring down the barrel of a home playoff game, assuming the committee doesn't screw us and prop the Irish up to 8. Bastards.

I'm more worried about Bama jumping us for making the SEC CG.

If they win that, they will jump us for sure and aTm isn't going to fall below us.

If they lose a close one, I'll be worried until the rankings are announced.

If they get blown out, we should probably stay above them.

CG's really can only help, not hurt, the teams that play in them, from my understanding.

 

[WTSooner]

For example, when you have a "3rd and 2" situation coupled with a QB that rarely completes a pass that goes further than 10-15 yards in the air, you don't call such a play.

Allow me to give my take on this.

I think we really only have 1 RB they want carrying the ball right now, and that is a banged up X. I believe Blaylock is hurting worse than any of us know. He didn't carry the ball against Mizzou. He only had 4 carries against Bama, and I think all of those were after X got hurt. He only had 1 carry against Tennessee. So 5 carries in the last 3 games. I don't think they want him taking ANY hits. Ott and Tatum are unplayable. They are trying to do Barnes right and let him redshirt.

The play before the 3rd and 2, X got hurt and limped off the field. So if the only RB you plan to let the carry the ball can't be on the field, it makes running the ball tough. I'd also argue that is the strength of the Mizzou defense. They stuffed us later in the game on a 3rd and 1 play. Maybe a deep fade wasn't the right call, but there were other routes on that play. Arbuckle probably didn't tell Mateer he had to throw THAT ball. But a lot of teams throw the ball deep on 3rd and short. It's a good chance to try and steal a big play. It's not like we're high percentage throwing the ball short either. But really what I'm attempting to explain is why I don't think we ran it. I can't remember if that fade was one of the plays that should have been called defensive pass interference or not. But there were several that were. That is Mizzou's weakness, their secondary and ability to defend passes downfield.

Just a thought.

 

[Eielson]

it's funny to watch....you argue just for the sake of arguing....all the while proving wichitas point.
he said sategna needs more touches. you immediately take the opposite position....pointing out single explosive plays in a few games.
do you know how numbers work? satagena had 3 receptions and took one to the house yesterday.. what if he had 6 receptions? or 9?
but you keep arguing stupidity. everything is perfect the way it is right?

Sategna is #1 in the conference in terms of touches for a WR when accounting for catches, runs, and punt returns.

I'm not arguing opinions here. These are facts and Wichita has mostly stopped responding because he's complete unarmed to dispute these facts.

I'm not saying we have a good offense. In fact, I've repeatedly said our offense needs to improve. I've never argued with anybody who said we have a mediocre or even below average offense. The numbers agree with that -- we are ranked 9/16 in conference.

Now if you want to say we have the worst offense in the conference -- I'll disagree with that, because it's factually wrong.

Our current offense is no worse than our defense was under Riley. I've grown very accustomed to lopsided teams.

 

[WaymanFan]

The play before the 3rd and 2, X got hurt and limped off the field. So if the only RB you plan to let the carry the ball can't be on the field, it makes running the ball tough. I'd also argue that is the strength of the Mizzou defense. They stuffed us later in the game on a 3rd and 1 play. Maybe a deep fade wasn't the right call, but there were other routes on that play. Arbuckle probably didn't tell Mateer he had to throw THAT ball. But a lot of teams throw the ball deep on 3rd and short. It's a good chance to try and steal a big play. It's not like we're high percentage throwing the ball short either. But really what I'm attempting to explain is why I don't think we ran it. I can't remember if that fade was one of the plays that should have been called defensive pass interference or not. But there were several that were. That is Mizzou's weakness, their secondary and ability to defend passes downfield.

Most of us can agree that a pass play was the right call based on what we had at RB, but there are so many pass plays in any playbook which go for short yardage. A couple possessions later when we had 3rd and 10, Mateer threw a 7-yard completion to Kanek. Good call, wrong possession. Going for a home run play on 3rd and 2 is a great call IF: 1) you're planning to go for it on 4th down with a great play in mind, or 2) you have a QB who is at least semi-accurate on passes traveling 10-15 yards in the air. Arbuckle turned who should be a 60-70% success rate into a 10-20% success rate. I don't like that math.

As for the clock management, no defense should be asked to get 11 stops in a game...should NEVER happen...yet we needed 10 of them to win the game. That was due to poor clock management when had the ball.

Again, if we can get the coaches to simply apply some basic common sense in these situations, it might be the difference in winning a close game going forward.

 

[daqman]

Sategna is #1 in the conference in terms of touches for a WR when accounting for catches, runs, and punt returns.

I'm not arguing opinions here. These are facts and Wichita has mostly stopped responding because he's complete unarmed to dispute these facts.

I'm not saying we have a good offense. In fact, I've repeatedly said our offense needs to improve. I've never argued with anybody who said we have a mediocre or even below average offense. The numbers agree with that -- we are ranked 9/16 in conference.

Now if you want to say we have the worst offense in the conference -- I'll disagree with that, because it's factually wrong.

Our current offense is no worse than our defense was under Riley. I've grown very accustomed to lopsided teams.

doesn't matter if he's #1 in the conference. you're not debating facts...your quibbling over nonsense.
if he was #1 in the conference in touches but was never thrown the ball you'd be ok with that?
he's our best player on offense by a wide margin....wouldn't you want him getting the ball as often as possible?
of course you would...but you won't admit it....because you have wichita derangement syndrome.

 

[Eielson]

I also think it's funny how many people say "Mateer is the worst QB they've ever seen." Some folks must turn the TV off when we play defense, because Mateer has had a higher QBR than our opponents in 8/11 games this year.

And before anybody mistakenly argues this, QBR accounts for the fact that we have a top 5 defense in the country.

 

[daqman]

I also think it's funny how many people say "Mateer is the worst QB they've ever seen." Some folks must turn the TV off when we play defense, because Mateer has had a higher QBR than our opponents in 8/11 games this year.

And before anybody mistakenly argues this, QBR accounts for the fact that we have a top 5 defense in the country.

could you list all the posts/posters who said "mateer is the worst qb they've ever seen"?
tia

 

[Eielson]

doesn't matter if he's #1 in the conference. you're not debating facts...your quibbling over nonsense.
if he was #1 in the conference in touches but was never thrown the ball you'd be ok with that?
he's our best player on offense by a wide margin....wouldn't you want him getting the ball as often as possible?
of course you would...but you won't admit it....because you have wichita derangement syndrome.

He's #1 in conference for touches for a WR, ahead of guys like Zechariah Branch and Ryan Williams who I absolutely don't believe he is better than. His catch total is set to exceed Ceedee Lambs catch total. More touches than his previously 3 seasons combined at another SEC school.

These are all facts and your response is mostly gibberish.

 

[daqman]

could you list all the posts/posters who said "mateer is the worst qb they've ever seen"?
tia

He's #1 in conference for touches for a WR, ahead of guys like Zechariah Branch and Ryan Williams who I absolutely don't believe he is better than. His catch total is set to exceed Ceedee Lambs catch total. More touches than his previously 3 seasons combined at another SEC school.

These are all facts and your response is mostly gibberish.

again..doesn't matter if he's #1. he should be #1 by a larger margin because he's our mvp on offense.
if adrian peterson only got 3 carries but led the nation in ypc....you would argue until you're dead 3 carries was enough because he was #1.....and someone you disliked disagreed with you.
you have derangement syndrome.....get help

 

[Eielson]

if adrian peterson only got 3 carries but led the nation in ypc....you would argue until you're dead 3 carries was enough because he was #1

If Adrian Peterson were getting the most touches of anybody in the conference, I would not be complaining about the number of touches.

I also don't think Sategna belongs in a discussion with Adrian Peterson.

 

[daqman]

If Adrian Peterson were getting the most touches of anybody in the conference, I would not be complaining about the number of touches.

I also don't think Sategna belongs in a discussion with Adrian Peterson.

i think you're officially done. thanks for playing.
but i will keep looking for that list of posters/posts saying "mateer is the worst qb they've ever seen"

 

[WichitaSooner]

For the same reason I shut my effing mouth last season when OU basketball was winning some games and on pace to make the NCAA Tournament. You (not you, but kind of you) look ridiculous when you do nothing but bitch and moan about a team that is 9-2 and on the verge of making the Playoffs with an incredibly tough schedule. We lead the nation is wins over ranked teams. There is WAY more going right for the team and program than is going wrong, yet you spend 99.9% (and I'm being generous) of your time complaining about the one thing that isn't championship caliber. It's wild.

I get it, BV's first few seasons here were up and down. 2023, however, wasn't as bad as folks want to make it out to be, and 2024 was our first season playing in the best college football conference in the country and we got the offensive stuff WAY wrong. None of that is true for Moser. BV doesn't have a history as a HC. Moser does, and I never liked it. I think BV is a great fit at OU. I don't think Moser is. At all. But again, I stfu last season when we were winning some games, because to show up every day and bag on a coach and team that are, to some degree, meeting expectations for that season, is efing ridiculous. And I'm not a ridiculous person.

Hope that helps.

Oh, what makes me confident the offense will get fixed this offseason? How about all of the other things that BV has fixed. He's grown as a HC and has actually made a lot of really good decisions this year. He's improved to the defense pretty much every year. Special teams were a problem and we fixed that in one offseason. The offense was awful last year, changes were made, and it's not awful (despite what some of you want to say) anymore. Does it need to get better? Yes. OU doesn't have a bottomless pile of cash to throw at problems, that is why SOME changes and improvements may take time. OU doesn't need to end up like aTm or LSU, paying ex-coaches tens of millions of dollars over the next decade or more. We can't do business that way. When is the last time you donated to football NIL or even attended a game?

I appreciate the reply. Don’t necessarily agree with all of it, but that’s fine. I respect anyone who has reasons for their takes and is able to offer them rather than just mocking others.

I’ve said many times that I’m a big believer in sample size. So Moser scraping together three wins late last season to make the tournament and save his job wasn’t enough of a reason to change my view of him at the end of four seasons. When I look at Brent, I agree that the defensive transformation has been amazing. I still see a lot of the same game management issues that have been problems all four seasons, the difference is that our D has been good enough to cover them up. But that doesn’t mean that they aren’t issues.

The special teams have been much better, thought that’s mainly been just over the past three games. To that point, we had phenomenal kicking, but our return game had been mediocre and we had a couple key fumbles and tons of penalties on punt returns that were really hurting us. But they have been great lately and I hope that is a sign they’ve turned a corner.

I do think you underestimate how bad the offense has been. I tried to find the conference-game-only stats last night but the website for some reason hasn’t updated those in weeks. But my guess is that we would be near the bottom in a lot of categories. We haven’t turned it over much over the last few weeks, so that helps the efficiency stats, but I think a lot of the efficiency numbers are boosted by our defense. In other words, when the offense is told that its main priority is not turning it over, it makes it easier to avoid turnovers than if they really had to take chances.

To be clear, I’m not calling for his job any more. He obviously has done enough this year to make that a nonissue. But I’m also not sure that I have much faith in the offensive issues being fixed. Like I said, we brought in the most sought after QB and RB last offseason. That QB is already familiar with the OC. For the offense to look this broken, and for us to have messed up the running back and tight end rooms for so many years, doesn’t inspire confidence that we are just one offseason away from fixing those. Demarco and Finley should not be coaching this team any more. If Brent makes those moves this winter and shows that he is serious about getting to the bottom of things, that will be an encouraging sign for me.