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I guess it depends on the standard. There are probably 50 better college quarterbacks than Mateer this year. You definitely can’t say that about JJ, regardless of how his pro career has gone so far (and this is just his first season). He obviously wasn’t a star on the level of some other high first rounders, but Mateer would have to improve a ton to get to the level JJ was at his last season. At a minimum, he has to learn to take care of the darn ball. You can’t have a guy with basically a 1:1 TD to INT ratio.
I don’t disagree that Mateer could be better but 50 better QBs?

Somewhat of a stretch although 20-30 is true and still not great considering OU’s expectations. Would I say there were 20-30 better QBs in 2023/2024 than JJ/Howard? Probably.

OU can win with Mateer, especially if Mateer improves. I’d bank on it happening with a second year although he’s pretty old so upside is not top 5-10 IMO. Regardless he’s probably the best option out there, except for Nagy “finds diamond in the rough.”
 
I don’t disagree that Mateer could be better but 50 better QBs?

With a broken hand, he was around top 50 this past year. Likely top 25 otherwise.

Regardless he’s probably the best option out there, except for Nagy “finds diamond in the rough.”

And if you're going "diamond in the rough" like Chambliss, as has been discussed earlier in this thread, he's a guy that rode the bench initially. You absolutely do bring in somebody like that or Bentley to groom, but you don't abandon the known starter of a 10 win season for a diamond in the rough. If Mateer sharts down his leg like he did after injury to open the season, then you can make the move. But if he's playing like he did in games while not wearing a brace, that's dangerous to abandon.
 
I really think the bigger problem is the run game. Without a good run game you’re asking mateer to do too much and the turnovers and mistakes are then inevitable. Also, Arbuckle doesn’t feature the RBs and the run game scheme isn’t great. He will run the QB to death while also asking him to pass 35-40 times a game. That produces stats against weak teams but not wins against better defenses. I’m not sure that will change since that’s been his philosophy as OC forever.
 
I think spread type offenses struggle in the SEC (and we did against LSU and UF in BCS games) because opposing teams have athletic corners who can go man-man on your best WR's and so a lot of the mismatches the spread/air raid type O relies on....don't happen in the middle of the field. on crossing routes, etc.

edit: that said, sucks to choke at home against Bama and lose to Texas but I'm OK with this year when our Vegas O/U was what, 6.5?

My hope is Arbuckle continues to learn if he's all "that" as an OC. Lincoln started slow against elite competition, too. even with Samaje, Mixon, Dede, etc.
 
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I really think the bigger problem is the run game. Without a good run game you’re asking mateer to do too much and the turnovers and mistakes are then inevitable. Also, Arbuckle doesn’t feature the RBs and the run game scheme isn’t great. He will run the QB to death while also asking him to pass 35-40 times a game. That produces stats against weak teams but not wins against better defenses. I’m not sure that will change since that’s been his philosophy as OC forever.
It’s hard to feature RBs when the line can’t run block and the backs are either injured, disinterested, or not very good. X and Blaylock had some good moments but weren’t consistent, and their biggest supporters claim that was due to health issues. Barnes has never been a good runner, and then quit and refused to play even when the other two guys weren’t healthy. Ott … enough said. And sounds like Tatum is likely going to be a baseball-only guy sooner than later.

I don’t know what an OC can do in that situation. There were some games where he could have probably stuck with the run more, but we have had three straight years of bad to awful running back play. Arbuckle was here for one of them. The constants are Murray, Bill, Brent, and Barnes. If they don’t add a good transfer who isn’t a head case, we will be in the same position next season.
 
I think spread type offenses struggle in the SEC (and we did against LSU and UF in BCS games) because opposing teams have athletic corners who can go man-man on your best WR's and so a lot of the mismatches the spread/air raid type O relies on....don't happen in the middle of the field. on crossing routes, etc.

edit: that said, sucks to choke at home against Bama and lose to Texas but I'm OK with this year when our Vegas O/U was what, 6.5?

My hope is Arbuckle continues to learn if he's all "that" as an OC. Lincoln started slow against elite competition, too. even with Samaje, Mixon, Dede, etc.

Those games sucked to lose, as did Riley's clunkers against ISU and KSU, and Bob's losses to guys like Reggie McNeil. Catching glimpses of Clemson and Penn State, and it's wild they're 6 and 7 win teams despite having QBs that have been projected as 1st rounders previously. Both almost universally projected as CFP teams. Nobody can go on autodrive and hope to have a season like we did anymore.
 
It’s hard to feature RBs when the line can’t run block and the backs are either injured, disinterested, or not very good. X and Blaylock had some good moments but weren’t consistent, and their biggest supporters claim that was due to health issues. Barnes has never been a good runner, and then quit and refused to play even when the other two guys weren’t healthy. Ott … enough said. And sounds like Tatum is likely going to be a baseball-only guy sooner than later.

I don’t know what an OC can do in that situation. There were some games where he could have probably stuck with the run more, but we have had three straight years of bad to awful running back play. Arbuckle was here for one of them. The constants are Murray, Bill, Brent, and Barnes. If they don’t add a good transfer who isn’t a head case, we will be in the same position next season.
Our pass blocking RPO scheme is not conducive to running the ball. We also have no TEs to help block the run. I hate Riley but he mastered the spread run game. The way we do it, our OL doesn’t fire off the ball, they just bump chests. That’s not gonna move anyone. Xrob and blaylock are good RBs. Talent isn’t the issue. We also have some very talented OL but when you ask them to play patty cake, the run game will suffer. It’s not just calling a run play. It’s the design of the play and how you attack the run game. We aren’t attacking run plays. We’re hesitating and catching the defense. That doesn’t work.
 
Our pass blocking RPO scheme is not conducive to running the ball. We also have no TEs to help block the run. I hate Riley but he mastered the spread run game. The way we do it, our OL doesn’t fire off the ball, they just bump chests. That’s not gonna move anyone. Xrob and blaylock are good RBs. Talent isn’t the issue. We also have some very talented OL but when you ask them to play patty cake, the run game will suffer. It’s not just calling a run play. It’s the design of the play and how you attack the run game. We aren’t attacking run plays. We’re hesitating and catching the defense. That doesn’t work.
I’m not saying you’re wrong but a lot of that is on Bill. They’ve said the same thing about how we come off the ball for multiple years now, so that isn’t just on Arbuckle. A lot of offensive line analysts also comment, and have for years, on how our guys play with their pad level too high and with bad hand placement. That’s something that clearly seems to be on the position coach rather than the OC. And ultimately, if a position coach isn’t getting his job done effectively, it’s on the head coach, too. You know darn well that is one defensive position group had struggled for three or four straight years, Brent would step in and make a change. If the same issue on the line has persisted through three or four OCs, it’s time to seriously look at Bill.

And I’d say X is fine, but he isn’t a true difference maker. He is a guy who would ideally be your number two back. He isn’t as good as any of the really good backs we had under Stoops and Riley. And I think the jury is very much out on Blaylock. His numbers against real opponents were not good. South Carolina was the one legit team he was even over 4 ypc against. Some people keep talking about his shoulder, but as I’ve said, running backs are almost always battling some sort of injury because it’s a violent position and those guys take constant pounding. If people are waiting for him to be fully healthy and see what he can do, they’ll probably be waiting forever.
 
I’m not saying you’re wrong but a lot of that is on Bill. They’ve said the same thing about how we come off the ball for multiple years now, so that isn’t just on Arbuckle. A lot of offensive line analysts also comment, and have for years, on how our guys play with their pad level too high and with bad hand placement. That’s something that clearly seems to be on the position coach rather than the OC. And ultimately, if a position coach isn’t getting his job done effectively, it’s on the head coach, too. You know darn well that is one defensive position group had struggled for three or four straight years, Brent would step in and make a change. If the same issue on the line has persisted through three or four OCs, it’s time to seriously look at Bill.

And I’d say X is fine, but he isn’t a true difference maker. He is a guy who would ideally be your number two back. He isn’t as good as any of the really good backs we had under Stoops and Riley. And I think the jury is very much out on Blaylock. His numbers against real opponents were not good. South Carolina was the one legit team he was even over 4 ypc against. Some people keep talking about his shoulder, but as I’ve said, running backs are almost always battling some sort of injury because it’s a violent position and those guys take constant pounding. If people are waiting for him to be fully healthy and see what he can do, they’ll probably be waiting forever.
Bedenbaugh is tough to figure out. He’s always been highly regarded and he had it rolling under Riley. The last 5 years have been rough and not good enough. Did he forget how to coach? I don’t think so. I’m not sure what’s going on but it needs to get fixed or he needs to move on.
 
Bedenbaugh is tough to figure out. He’s always been highly regarded and he had it rolling under Riley. The last 5 years have been rough and not good enough. Did he forget how to coach? I don’t think so. I’m not sure what’s going on but it needs to get fixed or he needs to move on.
I agree. It is always tough to figure out when a coach may have lost his fastball, or whether it just is time for a new voice. Maybe his methods just aren’t as effective as they used to be, or he hasn’t adjusted well to different coaches with different offenses and philosophies. But coaches definitely have expiration dates. And we have all seen examples of coaches who stick around too long. I used to follow WSU baseball obsessively, from the time I was a kid. Gene Stephenson was a a legend and what he did was probably the most impressive thing in the history of college baseball, all things considered. But his last 10-15 years weren’t nearly up to his standards, and people close to the program felt like he wasn’t working the same long hours to recruit and stay on top. It’s like any other profession, I suppose. Guys age and eventually their performance suffers.
 
Our pass blocking RPO scheme is not conducive to running the ball. We also have no TEs to help block the run. I hate Riley but he mastered the spread run game. The way we do it, our OL doesn’t fire off the ball, they just bump chests. That’s not gonna move anyone. Xrob and blaylock are good RBs. Talent isn’t the issue. We also have some very talented OL but when you ask them to play patty cake, the run game will suffer. It’s not just calling a run play. It’s the design of the play and how you attack the run game. We aren’t attacking run plays. We’re hesitating and catching the defense. That doesn’t work.

I want to see one more year before making a conclusion, but would tend to agree that his first 3 years have been uninspiring as a whole in the RB run game. The thing that gives me hope, is that we looked excellent in the run game the three games that X was healthy, and I don't consider him an elite talent by any stretch of the imagination. Much like Gentry, I have little hope for X to be healthy for more than half a season, but it shows what a competent back can do. Considering that over half our OL were freshmen and how limited our TE blocking was, I don't think we can draw much from this year.
 
I don’t disagree that Mateer could be better but 50 better QBs?

Somewhat of a stretch although 20-30 is true and still not great considering OU’s expectations. Would I say there were 20-30 better QBs in 2023/2024 than JJ/Howard? Probably.

OU can win with Mateer, especially if Mateer improves. I’d bank on it happening with a second year although he’s pretty old so upside is not top 5-10 IMO. Regardless he’s probably the best option out there, except for Nagy “finds diamond in the rough.”
OU doesn’t make the playoffs without Mateer this year or next year. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not very smart. Boomer

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OU doesn’t make the playoffs without Mateer this year or next year. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not very smart. Boomer

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This is dumb. Our doesn’t make the playoffs without our defense

Mateer had very little to do with it
 
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