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Yeah, Avant is likely a KR and RB4 for us, so I don't see how we could have done better. Hatton should be able to contribute as a freshman, in addition to returning our top 2 rushers.

Our run game will be improved based on 3 OL true freshman improving and the TE we added that will be a monstrous upgrade over Kanak in run blocking.
I'm glad everyone knows that the three freshmen (one was a RS) are immune to injury.

The way to do better is aggressively seek to upgrade at a position that has been one of our biggest weaknesses for three years in a row. Don't settle for a small. G5 return man.
 
I'm glad everyone knows that the three freshmen (one was a RS) are immune to injury.

Would you like us to grab 6 multi-year SEC starters so that they can all sit on our bench in case of injury?

The way to do better is aggressively seek to upgrade at a position that has been one of our biggest weaknesses for three years in a row. Don't settle for a small. G5 return man.

We retained our top two RBs, added one of the top HS RBs in the country, brought in a massive upgrade for TE blocking, and snagged a multi-year SEC OL starter.

It feels like you just want to complain.
 
Off to a very good start in the portal. Hopefully more to come. We definitely improved the run game today, despite Wichita complaints.
 
Would you like us to grab 6 multi-year SEC starters so that they can all sit on our bench in case of injury?



We retained our top two RBs, added one of the top HS RBs in the country, brought in a massive upgrade for TE blocking, and snagged a multi-year SEC OL starter.

It feels like you just want to complain.
Our top two running backs on a team that couldn’t run. At all. Tatum was the best RB in his high school class. Where did that get us? How many other four or five stars have we signed under DeMarco? How did they work out? And let’s not forget that according to some services, the best back in the portal this year (Smothers) is a former OU back.

Again, just because our tight end blocking should be better doesn’t mean X and Blaylock will be healthier or better runners. And given the fact that DeMarco seems to value pass protection above all else, I wouldn’t count on him giving much playing time to either of the freshmen.
 
Our top two running backs on a team that couldn’t run. At all. Tatum was the best RB in his high school class. Where did that get us? How many other four or five stars have we signed under DeMarco? How did they work out? And let’s not forget that according to some services, the best back in the portal this year (Smothers) is a former OU back.

Again, just because our tight end blocking should be better doesn’t mean X and Blaylock will be healthier or better runners. And given the fact that DeMarco seems to value pass protection above all else, I wouldn’t count on him giving much playing time to either of the freshmen.
We couldn’t run for a variety of reasons, mostly the blocking. I think we will see some adjustments to the blocking schemes to strengthen the run game. When we ran dedicated run late in the season, it was much better vs strict RPO. How many times did a run play get blown up because a TE didn’t block his man? Lots. We corrected that today.

Blaylock and Xrob are talented RBs regardless of your opinion. Hatton has potential to be great and the CSU RB can help us in the run game as well as being a good receiver and return man.

The WKU center is a solid player that can play multiple positions and he’s a backup option, not a starter. The arky OT is really good and could start.

We improved the run game today and we aren’t done.
 
Just picked up Rocky Beers as well.
We have upgraded TE blocking substantially IMO. I still wouldn't expect a lot out of the passing game for the TEs
I don’t expect TE to be our first option in the passing game. But I do believe that getting a 6’8’’ TE who can catch can open up both our passing and running games. Kanak was great but he was more like a WR in tbe passing game than a guy who could occupy and out-battle a LB for quick passes.
 
We couldn’t run for a variety of reasons, mostly the blocking. I think we will see some adjustments to the blocking schemes to strengthen the run game. When we ran dedicated run late in the season, it was much better vs strict RPO. How many times did a run play get blown up because a TE didn’t block his man? Lots. We corrected that today.

Blaylock and Xrob are talented RBs regardless of your opinion. Hatton has potential to be great and the CSU RB can help us in the run game as well as being a good receiver and return man.

The WKU center is a solid player that can play multiple positions and he’s a backup option, not a starter. The arky OT is really good and could start.

We improved the run game today and we aren’t done.
We improved the run game. We didn’t and haven’t improved the running back position. Objectively speaking, which running back room looks better on paper: X and Blaylock, with Ott (a proven power conference back who was considered a high draft pick after his sophomore year), Tatum (the top RB in his class), plus Barnes, or X and Blaylock with a true freshman (who Murray will likely be reluctant to play) and a G5 guy who rushed for under 500 yards? People were irrationally giddy coming into this year about the running backs. We don’t currently have a single guy who has been a lead back and stayed healthy for more than a few games. I don’t know how anyone can feel good about that group.
 
Our top two running backs on a team that couldn’t run. At all.

I guess you missed the part where we were playing against the best DLs in the country with 3 freshmen and a TE that functioned more as a WR.

I'll catch you up to speed -- we retained all of those freshmen, brought in a multi year SEC starter, and then massively upgraded our TE blocking. If you think a run game is all about the RB, then I don't think I have time to build your knowledge base completely from scratch.

You have raved about Blaylock and repeatedly insulted Murray for not playing what you felt like was a star RB early in the year. To that end, he was freshman All-SEC. X was over 5 YPC and ran all over the Ole Miss team that you said was so good we couldn't possibly compete with them.

Tatum was the best RB in his high school class.

Sure, and Blaylock was not even in the top 250.

And given the fact that DeMarco seems to value pass protection above all else, I wouldn’t count on him giving much playing time to either of the freshmen.

Do you fact check anything you say? Our leading rusher last year was a true freshman.

2024 - 2nd and 3rd leading rushers were true freshmen

2022 - 2nd leading rusher was a true freshmen.

So yeah, I could absolutely see a true freshman being RB3. It's like you have no idea what you are watching.
 
We improved the run game. We didn’t and haven’t improved the running back position. Objectively speaking, which running back room looks better on paper: X and Blaylock, with Ott (a proven power conference back who was considered a high draft pick after his sophomore year), Tatum (the top RB in his class), plus Barnes, or X and Blaylock with a true freshman (who Murray will likely be reluctant to play) and a G5 guy who rushed for under 500 yards? People were irrationally giddy coming into this year about the running backs. We don’t currently have a single guy who has been a lead back and stayed healthy for more than a few games. I don’t know how anyone can feel good about that group.

It's really incredible that anybody who watched OU last year thinks our RB room got worse because Ott is no longer in it.
 
We improved the run game. We didn’t and haven’t improved the running back position. Objectively speaking, which running back room looks better on paper: X and Blaylock, with Ott (a proven power conference back who was considered a high draft pick after his sophomore year), Tatum (the top RB in his class), plus Barnes, or X and Blaylock with a true freshman (who Murray will likely be reluctant to play) and a G5 guy who rushed for under 500 yards? People were irrationally giddy coming into this year about the running backs. We don’t currently have a single guy who has been a lead back and stayed healthy for more than a few games. I don’t know how anyone can feel good about that group.
We have already improved the RB room with Hatton, Walker, and avant over Ott, Tatum, Barnes. I guarantee you we will see more production than last year. Xrob and Blaylock will improve as young players tend to do with work and they’re really talented.
 
It's hard to get excited about any incoming RBs after what we witnessed the past two seasons with a 5-star in 2024 (Tatum) and the top RB portal transfer in 2025 (Ott). One thing better be certain. After what happened to Finley, the next assistant that should be on the hot seat is D Murray. I don't care who is running the ball in 2026, but someone damn well better be HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE.
 
It's hard to get excited about any incoming RBs after what we witnessed the past two seasons with a 5-star in 2024 (Tatum) and the top RB portal transfer in 2025 (Ott). One thing better be certain. After what happened to Finley, the next assistant that should be on the hot seat is D Murray. I don't care who is running the ball in 2026, but someone damn well better be HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE.

Ott went from 3.3 ypc to 3.2 ypc and HS rankings are never a guarantee. If you want to discuss Tatum's rankings, it's also important to balance it with X and Blaylock's. If you can't get excited about incoming backs, then just be excited for the guys returning. We've already seen what X can do against teams like Alabama, Ole Miss, and Tennesee. Blaylock was all-SEC freshman team. The team around them looks to be dramatically improved.

The OL returns 3 starting freshmen and we added another multi-year SEC starter already.

The TE room can now block.

Perhaps the most miraculous work is the WR room. Returning Sategna would be huge, and if we add both Harris and Livingstone, we'll have 3 WRs that have already proven it on top 25 teams. Sategna and Harris were WR1s and Livingstone was a WR3 as a freshman.

The RBs don't even have to improve to dramatically improve their output, though it's not hard to imagine progress for a true freshman that reportedly played through injury.
 
I am kind of with WS on this one. I don't think the running back room has been upgraded. I think it will look better next year because of upgrades on the line/TE.
But I really am hoping we are targeting an Eric Gray caliber of player. We need a game changer at that position and I don't see it in any of the RBs in our room at the moment.

I never bought into Barnes and he was average at best.
I don't believe Blaylock will be anything more than average as well.
Xrob can be a great back IMO but is always hurt.
I don't put any stock in freshmen hype.

We need a clear cut starter/difference maker
 
Sure, and Blaylock was not even in the top 250.
he was on some sites and was a consensus top 300 player in the country and a 4 Star .. whose dad played in the NFL and was ready from day 1 and then played hurt the entire season .. he is a very very good back ..
 
I am kind of with WS on this one. I don't think the running back room has been upgraded. I think it will look better next year because of upgrades on the line/TE.
But I really am hoping we are targeting an Eric Gray caliber of player. We need a game changer at that position and I don't see it in any of the RBs in our room at the moment.

I never bought into Barnes and he was average at best.
I don't believe Blaylock will be anything more than average as well.
Xrob can be a great back IMO but is always hurt.
I don't put any stock in freshmen hype.

We need a clear cut starter/difference maker
you are massively underestimating blaylock .. IMHO
 
you are massively underestimating blaylock .. IMHO
maybe...hopefully

In the few instances where he had chances to make a play he rarely did. He is young though and he is fast.

All we heard in the offseason was how special he looked and how many plays he was making. He was pretty hyped up
 
he was on some sites and was a consensus top 300 player in the country and a 4 Star .. whose dad played in the NFL and was ready from day 1 and then played hurt the entire season .. he is a very very good back ..

I wasn't trying to imply otherwise in my last post...I just want to see it on the field week in and week out. Obviously, the offensive line must improve, overall health must improve, etc.
 
he was on some sites and was a consensus top 300 player in the country and a 4 Star .. whose dad played in the NFL and was ready from day 1 and then played hurt the entire season .. he is a very very good back ..

I wasn't criticizing Blaylock. Just countering the baseless claim that a true freshman can't be RB3 or higher under Murray...when it's happened 4 times in the past 4 seasons. Many times with people like Blaylock and X that were ranked much lower than Hatton coming out of HS.

Things like pass blocking take time to develop, but running the football might be the easiest thing for a true freshman on this team.
 
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I guess you missed the part where we were playing against the best DLs in the country with 3 freshmen and a TE that functioned more as a WR.

I'll catch you up to speed -- we retained all of those freshmen, brought in a multi year SEC starter, and then massively upgraded our TE blocking. If you think a run game is all about the RB, then I don't think I have time to build your knowledge base completely from scratch.

You have raved about Blaylock and repeatedly insulted Murray for not playing what you felt like was a star RB early in the year. To that end, he was freshman All-SEC. X was over 5 YPC and ran all over the Ole Miss team that you said was so good we couldn't possibly compete with them.



Sure, and Blaylock was not even in the top 250.



Do you fact check anything you say? Our leading rusher last year was a true freshman.

2024 - 2nd and 3rd leading rushers were true freshmen

2022 - 2nd leading rusher was a true freshmen.

So yeah, I could absolutely see a true freshman being RB3. It's like you have no idea what you are watching.
The stupidity and dishonesty of some of your posts is truly astounding. I have not raved about Blaylock. I thought he was solid and should have been playing more than Barnes because, well, Barnes is a terrible running back. I felt like there was some reason to be optimistic that Blaylock could turn into a good player and I still feel that way, but nothing about his season screams out that he should be a feature SEC back. Again, he had one good game against quality competition. He got hurt (because that’s what happens to our players) in week one and everyone just assumes he will be a stud if he stays healthy. Did Barnes improve over his career? Did Sawchuk turn into a stud? Who was the last RB we had who took a massive leap over the course of his career? Barnes and Sawchuk arguably peaked as freshman in a meaningless bowl game.

And again, I’ve said at least three times in this thread that we have seemingly improved the blocking and that that will help. But that doesn’t mean the backfield itself has gotten better. You say the G5 transfer and an incoming freshman are an improvement on Ott and Tatum. That is because we have already seen what a disaster those two were, but there is zero chance the room is more talented than it was six months ago. Smothers and Hicks are two more examples of guys who came to college with varying degrees of hype. Hicks played about five snaps in his career at OU. Smothers had a few carries, left, and then became a very good back elsewhere.

And you cite those stats about freshmen and ignore the context. Blaylock was our leading rusher by yards with a whopping 444. He got the most touches almost by default. Barnes quit. Ott essentially quit. Tatum was either hurt or simply didn’t care much about football or learning the playbook. And X was injured off and on.

Last year, DeMarco and Brent waited till Nov to play X, even though the upperclassman playing in front of him were terrible. He and Tatum combined to average about 5 carries per game over the course of the season, so if you want to point to that as a sign that we will likely get production from a freshman next season, that’s an interesting argument to make.

Murray, and our offensive staff as a whole, has been terrible at developing players, yet you seem to put a lot of blind faith in simply expecting internal improvement. That’s not based on anything that any of those guys has actually done. Again, not a single guy on our roster has shown an ability to (a) stay healthy or (b) be a productive lead back for 12 games in the SEC. Our leading rusher ran for 444 yards, for crying out loud. There isn’t a single guy in that room who any opponent fears or has to game plan around. There is a reason why, with the season on the line, our quarterback, who is a good but not great runner, carried it more than our two running backs combined. Ah, but they were injured, you say. And yet we should just assume things will be different next year with our crack medical staff, given our recent history?
 
The stupidity and dishonesty of some of your posts is truly astounding.

As I tell my children, when you're losing an argument, the key is to improve your argument. You can throw a fit and call people names, but it won't help people take you more seriously.

Predictions will often be wrong, like most of yours this past season, as it's based on information we don't have. It's a thing we do for fun on message boards, and we've all made embarrassing picks in hindsight. Getting facts wrong about what has already happened is a lot harder to justify.

I rely a lot on advanced statistics, so it's hard to have a conversation with somebody that doesn't understand SP+, EPA, or even the difference between QBR and passer rating.

But anybody should be able to look up our traditional statistics and say that a true freshman has been RB3 or higher four times in the last four seasons under Demarco. So the notion that a true freshman can't be RB3 or higher under DeMarco is simply wrong. It's hilarious wrong when considering that our leading rusher from last year contributed from day 1 as a true freshman.

Take the L and find a different hill to die on. That is an indefensible stance.
 
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