Football question

[hoopsaustin]

now we have a source off .. one attorney says there was a TRO granted

and his attorney says there wasn't .. very strange ..

i mean he is not a slave .. right ? he is a student .. some courts don't force anyone to work for someone they don't want to .

Funny you say that. I just saw that too. Super weird actually.

My guess is that the TRO was granted in part on some sort of a basis?? One sneaky thing about TROs is they can be granted ex parte (without notice to the other side but yet meeting with the judge to discuss actual merits - which is normally a HUGE ethical violation).

Slaves by definition don't sign Ks (or also receive millions).. non-competes have come under fire too lately for sure. This is sort of akin to those. Idk how people stand up for millionaires that signed Ks and now want to break them. Would you be equally a bleedingheart if the university failed to pay the player bc they wanted to break them (i.e., clawback Ott's money lol)?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Just name every quality back you can think of over the last 20 years (Peterson, Murray, Sermon, Brooks, Mixon, Perine, Gray, etc) and I'll go back and show you how they contributed as freshmen.

You are moving the goal posts now.

If your point is that great backs contribute as freshmen...that is completely different than saying freshmen should be depended on to contribute.

Those players you mentioned contributed as freshmen because they were very very good backs.
There are a ton of freshman then never see the field because they aren't ready.

My contention is not that freshmen cannot contribute. It is that it is foolish to rely on them to contribute

 

[BoulderSooner]

Funny you say that. I just saw that too. Super weird actually.

My guess is that the TRO was granted in part on some sort of a basis?? One sneaky thing about TROs is they can be granted ex parte (without notice to the other side but yet meeting with the judge to discuss actual merits).

Slaves by definition don't sign Ks (or also receive millions).. non-competes have come under fire too lately for sure. This is sort of akin to those. Idk how people stand up for millionaires that signed Ks and now want to break them. Would you be equally a bleedingheart if the university failed to pay the player bc they wanted to break them (i.e., clawback Ott's money lol)?

appreciate the discussion by the way ..

 

[WichitaSooner]

You are moving the goal posts now.

If your point is that great backs contribute as freshmen...that is completely different than saying freshmen should be depended on to contribute.

Those players you mentioned contributed as freshmen because they were very very good backs.
There are a ton of freshman then never see the field because they aren't ready.

My contention is not that freshmen cannot contribute. It is that it is foolish to rely on them to contribute

Also, saying they contribute is different than saying they will be good enough to help the team as freshmen in a meaningful way. Blaylock played and "contributed," but his numbers sucked. X "contributed" for one month as a freshman, after the season was a disaster, and had a couple good games. So sure, we may have a freshman or two play next year. It is all but certain since our two returning backs have spent a total of about 12 seconds healthy and our only transfer is a small dude who will mainly play special teams. But the point I have made all along is whether we have upgraded from a rushing attack that was downright embarrassing.

 

[Eielson]

Those players you mentioned contributed as freshmen because they were very very good backs.
There are a ton of freshman then never see the field because they aren't ready.

I've requested a list of contributors later in their careers that did not contribute as freshmen, and you've yet to provided a single name. We can basically do this with every starting RB on our team, even Barnes. Your inability to provide a single name that supports your case is quite telling. No goal posts were moved, and several names mentioned were average starters.

My contention is not that freshmen cannot contribute. It is that it is foolish to rely on them to contribute

Which again, is not supporter by anything, and in fact defies all the objective data you have been spoonfed. RBs is perhaps the easiest position in all of college football to contribute to as a true freshmen, so you absolutely can and should expect them to be RB3 or RB4 like our current backfield projects. You and Wichita should have your own forum where people with learning disabilities are not expected to understand basic numbers.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I've requested a list of contributors later in their careers that did not contribute as freshmen, and you've yet to provided a single name. We can basically do this with every starting RB on our team, even Barnes. Your inability to provide a single name that supports your case is quite telling. No goal posts were moved, and several names mentioned were average starters.



Which again, is not supporter by anything, and in fact defies all the objective data you have been spoonfed. RBs is perhaps the easiest position in all of college football to contribute to as a true freshmen, so you absolutely can and should expect them to be RB3 or RB4 like our current backfield projects. You and Wichita should have your own forum where people with learning disabilities are not expected to understand basic numbers.

I think it is fine to pencil in a freshman as rb3 or rb4. Ideally, your rb3/rb4 would rarely see the field. That isn't my definition of contributing.
In OUs case, I'd be fine with the freshmen we have coming in being rb 3 or rb4 if we didn't have backs made of glass in front of them.

Do you really consider a rb4 to be a contributor?
To me, rb1 and rb2 are contributors

 

[Eielson]

I think it is fine to pencil in a freshman as rb3 or rb4.

That's literally what we're doing.

If a guy like Hatton runs for 100 yards in November against a top 10 team (X), 100 yards against a top 10 team in January (Sawchuk), makes all SEC (Blaylock), 500 yards for the season (Barnes), 700-800 yards (Mixon, Sermon, Murray), 1000 yards (Brooks), 1700 yards (Perine), or 2000 yards (AD)...yeah, that's contributing.

 

[hoopsaustin]

appreciate the discussion by the way ..

FYI I just read part of the text of the TRO and it was granted

 

[SoonerBounce13]

That's literally what we're doing.

If a guy like Hatton runs for 100 yards in November against a top 10 team (X), 100 yards against a top 10 team in January (Sawchuk), makes all SEC (Blaylock), 500 yards for the season (Barnes), 700-800 yards (Mixon, Sermon, Murray), 1000 yards (Brooks), 1700 yards (Perine), or 2000 yards (AD)...yeah, that's contributing.

I guess you just stopped reading after the sentence you quoted