Football question

[hoopsaustin]

now we have a source off .. one attorney says there was a TRO granted

and his attorney says there wasn't .. very strange ..

i mean he is not a slave .. right ? he is a student .. some courts don't force anyone to work for someone they don't want to .

Funny you say that. I just saw that too. Super weird actually.

My guess is that the TRO was granted in part on some sort of a basis?? One sneaky thing about TROs is they can be granted ex parte (without notice to the other side but yet meeting with the judge to discuss actual merits - which is normally a HUGE ethical violation).

Slaves by definition don't sign Ks (or also receive millions).. non-competes have come under fire too lately for sure. This is sort of akin to those. Idk how people stand up for millionaires that signed Ks and now want to break them. Would you be equally a bleedingheart if the university failed to pay the player bc they wanted to break them (i.e., clawback Ott's money lol)?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Just name every quality back you can think of over the last 20 years (Peterson, Murray, Sermon, Brooks, Mixon, Perine, Gray, etc) and I'll go back and show you how they contributed as freshmen.

You are moving the goal posts now.

If your point is that great backs contribute as freshmen...that is completely different than saying freshmen should be depended on to contribute.

Those players you mentioned contributed as freshmen because they were very very good backs.
There are a ton of freshman then never see the field because they aren't ready.

My contention is not that freshmen cannot contribute. It is that it is foolish to rely on them to contribute

 

[BoulderSooner]

Funny you say that. I just saw that too. Super weird actually.

My guess is that the TRO was granted in part on some sort of a basis?? One sneaky thing about TROs is they can be granted ex parte (without notice to the other side but yet meeting with the judge to discuss actual merits).

Slaves by definition don't sign Ks (or also receive millions).. non-competes have come under fire too lately for sure. This is sort of akin to those. Idk how people stand up for millionaires that signed Ks and now want to break them. Would you be equally a bleedingheart if the university failed to pay the player bc they wanted to break them (i.e., clawback Ott's money lol)?

appreciate the discussion by the way ..

 

[WichitaSooner]

You are moving the goal posts now.

If your point is that great backs contribute as freshmen...that is completely different than saying freshmen should be depended on to contribute.

Those players you mentioned contributed as freshmen because they were very very good backs.
There are a ton of freshman then never see the field because they aren't ready.

My contention is not that freshmen cannot contribute. It is that it is foolish to rely on them to contribute

Also, saying they contribute is different than saying they will be good enough to help the team as freshmen in a meaningful way. Blaylock played and "contributed," but his numbers sucked. X "contributed" for one month as a freshman, after the season was a disaster, and had a couple good games. So sure, we may have a freshman or two play next year. It is all but certain since our two returning backs have spent a total of about 12 seconds healthy and our only transfer is a small dude who will mainly play special teams. But the point I have made all along is whether we have upgraded from a rushing attack that was downright embarrassing.

 

[Eielson]

Those players you mentioned contributed as freshmen because they were very very good backs.
There are a ton of freshman then never see the field because they aren't ready.

I've requested a list of contributors later in their careers that did not contribute as freshmen, and you've yet to provided a single name. We can basically do this with every starting RB on our team, even Barnes. Your inability to provide a single name that supports your case is quite telling. No goal posts were moved, and several names mentioned were average starters.

My contention is not that freshmen cannot contribute. It is that it is foolish to rely on them to contribute

Which again, is not supporter by anything, and in fact defies all the objective data you have been spoonfed. RBs is perhaps the easiest position in all of college football to contribute to as a true freshmen, so you absolutely can and should expect them to be RB3 or RB4 like our current backfield projects. You and Wichita should have your own forum where people with learning disabilities are not expected to understand basic numbers.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I've requested a list of contributors later in their careers that did not contribute as freshmen, and you've yet to provided a single name. We can basically do this with every starting RB on our team, even Barnes. Your inability to provide a single name that supports your case is quite telling. No goal posts were moved, and several names mentioned were average starters.



Which again, is not supporter by anything, and in fact defies all the objective data you have been spoonfed. RBs is perhaps the easiest position in all of college football to contribute to as a true freshmen, so you absolutely can and should expect them to be RB3 or RB4 like our current backfield projects. You and Wichita should have your own forum where people with learning disabilities are not expected to understand basic numbers.

I think it is fine to pencil in a freshman as rb3 or rb4. Ideally, your rb3/rb4 would rarely see the field. That isn't my definition of contributing.
In OUs case, I'd be fine with the freshmen we have coming in being rb 3 or rb4 if we didn't have backs made of glass in front of them.

Do you really consider a rb4 to be a contributor?
To me, rb1 and rb2 are contributors

 

[Eielson]

I think it is fine to pencil in a freshman as rb3 or rb4.

That's literally what we're doing.

If a guy like Hatton runs for 100 yards in November against a top 10 team (X), 100 yards against a top 10 team in January (Sawchuk), makes all SEC (Blaylock), 500 yards for the season (Barnes), 700-800 yards (Mixon, Sermon, Murray), 1000 yards (Brooks), 1700 yards (Perine), or 2000 yards (AD)...yeah, that's contributing.

 

[hoopsaustin]

appreciate the discussion by the way ..

FYI I just read part of the text of the TRO and it was granted

 

[SoonerBounce13]

That's literally what we're doing.

If a guy like Hatton runs for 100 yards in November against a top 10 team (X), 100 yards against a top 10 team in January (Sawchuk), makes all SEC (Blaylock), 500 yards for the season (Barnes), 700-800 yards (Mixon, Sermon, Murray), 1000 yards (Brooks), 1700 yards (Perine), or 2000 yards (AD)...yeah, that's contributing.

I guess you just stopped reading after the sentence you quoted

 

[BoulderSooner]

FYI I just read part of the text of the TRO and it was granted

and the other part (entering him the portal ) was denied .. correct?

 

[hoopsaustin]

and the other part (entering him the portal ) was denied .. correct?

No. Hes enjoined from entering the portal until the Feb 2 hearing. TROs preserve the "status quo" - the last peaceable positions of the parties.

 

[hoopsaustin]

No. Hes enjoined from entering the portal until the Feb 2 hearing. TROs preserve the "status quo" - the last peaceable positions of the parties.

That's why they're granted more often than they should be IMO. Bc all its designed to do is to hold the parties in limbo until a full on evidentiary hearing on the merits can be held at a TI/PI hearing.

A lot of times the lawyers don't even correctly list and analyze the required elements even and the judges will rubber stamp it anyway and in an ex parte hearing to boot

 

[BoulderSooner]

No. Hes enjoined from entering the portal until the Feb 2 hearing. TROs preserve the "status quo" - the last peaceable positions of the parties.

that is not what espn is reporting ..

Duke's Mensah can enter portal, can't sign until injunction ruling

Duke QB Darian Mensah is permitted to enter the transfer portal, but can't enroll at another school or play football for another college team before a North Carolina judge rules on Duke's request for an injunction that would prevent him from leaving.

www.espn.com

 

[WichitaSooner]

that is not what espn is reporting ..

Duke's Mensah can enter portal, can't sign until injunction ruling

Duke QB Darian Mensah is permitted to enter the transfer portal, but can't enroll at another school or play football for another college team before a North Carolina judge rules on Duke's request for an injunction that would prevent him from leaving.

www.espn.com

More importantly -- can we sign him.

 

[hoopsaustin]

that is not what espn is reporting ..

Duke's Mensah can enter portal, can't sign until injunction ruling

Duke QB Darian Mensah is permitted to enter the transfer portal, but can't enroll at another school or play football for another college team before a North Carolina judge rules on Duke's request for an injunction that would prevent him from leaving.

www.espn.com

Tro

WHEREFORE, based upon the FOREGOING FINDINGS and CONCLUSIONS, IT

IS HEREBY ORDERED that:

1. Duke University's Motion for Temporary Restraining Order is GRANTED as provided herein.

2. For the duration of this Order, Defendant Mensah and his agents, employees, attorneys, and all persons acting in concert or participation with him, with his knowledge, or under his actual or apparent authority are enjoined from: (1) enrolling at another collegiate institution; (2) playing football at another collegiate institution; (3) licensing his NIL to another collegiate institution; (4) taking any other action that would interfere with, diminish, or impair Duke University's exclusive rights under the Contract; and (5) otherwise committing any further breaches of the

 

[hoopsaustin]

that is not what espn is reporting ..

Duke's Mensah can enter portal, can't sign until injunction ruling

Duke QB Darian Mensah is permitted to enter the transfer portal, but can't enroll at another school or play football for another college team before a North Carolina judge rules on Duke's request for an injunction that would prevent him from leaving.

www.espn.com

I don't believe ESPN reporting can be true because that #5 that is cutoff i believe would include entering the portal

AND that wouldn't be the last peacable position of the parties.. that would be Mensah being a QB for Duke under his K that mensah of his own free will signed

 

[Eielson]

I guess you just stopped reading after the sentence you quoted

Continued failure to name a single RB that contributed as an upperclassmen but not as a freshman noted. You two can never support your claims.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Continued failure to name a single RB that contributed as an upperclassmen but not as a freshman noted. You two can never support your claims.

I'm not making a claim dude. I'm giving my opinion. You completely left off the point of my quote. Why did you do that?

For the last time....
In OUs case, I'd be fine with the freshmen we have coming in being rb 3 or rb4 if we didn't have backs made of glass in front of them.