Football question

[mict085]

What if he played 4 years of lacrosse? That shouldn’t count?

I have a lifelong friend who started as a freshman in football and baseball in the Big 12. After his freshman season, he decided to just play football. So after he was done, would anyone argue he should have then been able to play three more years of baseball? After all, he only played one season of baseball.

Lacrosse shouldn’t ever count. It’s a club sport for preppy kids. It should count as much as intramurals count, which is to say, it shouldn’t count.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

The certainly talk about his medical issues in the petition. The motion for the TRO/TI is of more importance than the petition however

They do but that year isn’t counted already

 

[WichitaSooner]

Lacrosse shouldn’t ever count. It’s a club sport for preppy kids. It should count as much as intramurals count, which is to say, it shouldn’t count.

Lacrosse is not a club sport. It might be at some schools but not at Ohio State.

The fact you personally don’t like a sport has no relevance. And I’d guess college lacrosse players are tougher than the vast majority of people on this board. Who cares if they were “preppy” or rich? Baseball and hockey aren’t cheap sports to play. Should those not count?

 

[mict085]

Lacrosse is not a club sport. It might be at some schools but not at Ohio State.

The fact you personally don’t like a sport has no relevance. And I’d guess college lacrosse players are tougher than the vast majority of people on this board. Who cares if they were “preppy” or rich? Baseball and hockey aren’t cheap sports to play. Should those not count?

You always take the opposite view. Maybe you’re lonely and have nobody else to talk to and you pick fights online every day. IDC.

My post was mostly tongue in cheek but I believe Owen should be allowed to play next season. I don’t care what you think.


Edited by Mod: Watch the language, young man.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

If I read it right, Owen is essentially knows the rule and that he has used his allotted 4 years but is urging the ncaa to use their allowed discretion for unique situations. I just don't think it will fly

 

[BoulderSooner]

Man, after reading that, I don't think there is anyway he wins

I had the same view reading it ..

 

[BoulderSooner]

It SHOULD be straightforward. Owen has played 3 years of college football. The lacrosse year shouldn’t count against him. Chambliss has played 4 years of football. They’re not the same and shouldn’t be treated the same.

5 years of D1 sports .. is a very very clear line ..

 

[BoulderSooner]

If I read it right, Owen is essentially knows the rule and that he has used his allotted 4 years but is urging the ncaa to use their allowed discretion for unique situations. I just don't think it will fly

agreed


for for the record I would love for him to be at OU and in the LB rotation .. but i don't think he will or should be

 

[Eielson]

You always take the opposite view. Maybe you’re lonely and have nobody else to talk to and you pick fights online every day. IDC.

My post was mostly tongue in cheek but I believe Owen should be allowed to play next season. I don’t care what you think.


Edited by Mod: Watch the language, young man.

I guess since Wichita has a personality disorder, the mods just assume he can't help it. Otherwise there's no explanation for why this post was edited while mods look the other way while the KU fan clogs every thread with completely unwarranted personal insults.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

agreed


for for the record I would love for him to be at OU and in the LB rotation .. but i don't think he will or should be

Under the current rules, I don't think he should be. But I don't think the current rules are really fair either.

 

[WTSooner]

It SHOULD be straightforward. Owen has played 3 years of college football. The lacrosse year shouldn’t count against him. Chambliss has played 4 years of football. They’re not the same and shouldn’t be treated the same.

That is not the rule though.

You have 5 years to play once you start college. Even if Owen played NO sports that first year at tOSU, he'd still be out of eligibility as the rule reads.

I graduated college over two decades ago. I never played college sports of any kind. Can I go back and get my four years? Maybe I want to play college golf now.

 

[hoopsaustin]

That is not the rule though.

You have 5 years to play once you start college. Even if Owen played NO sports that first year at tOSU, he'd still be out of eligibility as the rule reads.

I graduated college over two decades ago. I never played college sports of any kind. Can I go back and get my four years? Maybe I want to play college golf now.

For me, if they are letting drafted players come back I dont have any issue with you playing college golf. Swing away.

 

[WaymanFan]

I guess since Wichita has a personality disorder, the mods just assume he can't help it. Otherwise there's no explanation for why this post was edited while mods look the other way while the KU fan clogs every thread with completely unwarranted personal insults.

Eielson, any post, regardless of who the poster is, will have their post edited if SWEARING words are used...no explanation required. Neither Boulder nor I like to see anyone constantly replying to specific posters in an antagonistic fashion, but we both know that more than one person is guilty of this. I'd like to think most of us prefer we just talk about OU hoops and be respectful in our disagreements. Can we at least try that?

 

[WichitaSooner]

You always take the opposite view. Maybe you’re lonely and have nobody else to talk to and you pick fights online every day. IDC.

My post was mostly tongue in cheek but I believe Owen should be allowed to play next season. I don’t care what you think.


Edited by Mod: Watch the language, young man.

You think he should play because he is an OU player, plain and simple. I take a consistent view regardless of whether a guy plays for OU or someone else. The same people who act like the sky is falling when Pavia or Chambliss gets an extra year of eligibility and talk about how awful it is for the sport are now sad that Owen might not get a sixth year because of their personal feelings.

If he wins his case and suits up for us next year, great. If not, that's fine, too. But people who act like his case is identical to players who received medical redshirts or played in JUCO obviously have no understanding of precedent or factors that distinguish separate cases.

 

[Eielson]

You think he should play because he is an OU player, plain and simple.

That's not it at all.

We have the best LB coach in the coach in the country, who brought a walk-on who used to think he was better off playing lacrosse all the way to all-SEC. Our season does not hinge on him at all.

I'm fine with him not getting another year. It doesn't follow the spirit of the law, when people are getting 7th, 8th, and even 9th years approved, but it does follow the letter of the law. But so many of these cases don't end up following the letter of thr law. Lawyers get involved constantly, which wouldn't need to happen if the NCAA was consistent and predictable like they used to be.

 

[SoonerDutch]

That's not it at all.

We have the best LB coach in the coach in the country, who brought a walk-on who used to think he was better off playing lacrosse all the way to all-SEC. Our season does not hinge on him at all.

I'm fine with him not getting another year. It doesn't follow the spirit of the law, when people are getting 7th, 8th, and even 9th years approved, but it does follow the letter of the law. But so many of these cases don't end up following the letter of thr law. Lawyers get involved constantly, which wouldn't need to happen if the NCAA was consistent and predictable like they used to be.

100%. I get the broader objection on all of these but to me it’s more of a question of the NCAA’s ongoing relevance as opposed to how these work within the specific frameworks of juco/NCAA distinctions.

I can see how he would face more of an issue as opposed to Pavia or Chambliss given Ohio State lacrosse being subject to NCAA oversight as opposed to juco football but the more interesting discussion is why continue to defer to a dying organization that is increasingly being exposed as a paper tiger.

From an OU fan perspective, would be great to have Heinecke back but not essential.

 

[Eielson]

I can see how he would face more of an issue as opposed to Pavia or Chambliss given Ohio State lacrosse being subject to NCAA oversight as opposed to juco football

I don't see how playing a year of lacrosse is more of a competitive advantage than playing an extra year of football.

 

[CoachTalk]

I don't see how playing a year of lacrosse is more of a competitive advantage than playing an extra year of football.

15 mins of lacrosse.

I think like 4 football games. There should be a rs limit.
Why does football get 25-40% of their season and still redshirt but 1 second of any other sport is a year counted.

 

[BoulderSooner]

15 mins of lacrosse.

I think like 4 football games. There should be a rs limit.
Why does football get 25-40% of their season and still redshirt but 1 second of any other sport is a year counted.

because rules ...

 

[WichitaSooner]

because rules ...

And there is a logical reason for the difference. With so many injuries in football, teams are far more likely to have to use backups who otherwise wouldn’t play. The four-game rule allows those guys to play without burning a season. It’s much less likely in other sports that you’d need to do that. I won’t be surprised if at some point they do apply a similar rule to other sports, but I understand why they started off just doing it for football.