Football question

[WTSooner]

I think you’re right to be skeptical about the receivers, too. But I guess I am just glad they at least tried to address that by brining in two power conference guys, and Harris in particular has already put up good numbers. Plus we have our own returning WR who is coming off a very good season. The backs, on the other hand, are all unproven.

You pointed to Ott being the most "talented" back OU had last year.

Ott's career average per carry is 4.8 yards. If you just look at his first 2 years at Cal, it's 5.3.

Robinson has averaged 5.0 yards per carry in his two seasons, which both happen to be against SEC competition.

5.0 yards per carry may not match what AD, Mixon, or Perine did, but it's certainly very good. Everybody raved about Lacy (Ole Miss) last year. He averaged 5.1 yards per carry last year. The Baugh kid from Florida, many of whom thought would transfer to texas this year, averaged 5.3 yards per carry.

Robinson isn't far off from that at all. If you want to say health and ability to stay on the field is why you discount Robinson, fine. I can't debate that. But when he's on the field he's been pretty darn good.

Another comparison, Indiana's bell cow RB averaged 5.6 yards per carry. So again, that is the lead RB on the undefeated NC winning team that ran more than they passed, and their RB was getting 0.5 more yards per carry than Robinson last year.

 

[WichitaSooner]

You pointed to Ott being the most "talented" back OU had last year.

Ott's career average per carry is 4.8 yards. If you just look at his first 2 years at Cal, it's 5.3.

Robinson has averaged 5.0 yards per carry in his two seasons, which both happen to be against SEC competition.

5.0 yards per carry may not match what AD, Mixon, or Perine did, but it's certainly very good. Everybody raved about Lacy (Ole Miss) last year. He averaged 5.1 yards per carry last year. The Baugh kid from Florida, many of whom thought would transfer to texas this year, averaged 5.3 yards per carry.

Robinson isn't far off from that at all. If you want to say health and ability to stay on the field is why you discount Robinson, fine. I can't debate that. But when he's on the field he's been pretty darn good.

Another comparison, Indiana's bell cow RB averaged 5.6 yards per carry. So again, that is the lead RB on the undefeated NC winning team that ran more than they passed, and their RB was getting 0.5 more yards per carry than Robinson last year.

If X had done that for two full seasons, or even a full season last year, I’d definitely agree. But he’s played in 14 games total in two seasons. He had a really good three game stretch in the middle of the season against S. Carolina, Mississippi, and Tennessee, but those were his only games over 3.5 YPC against real competition. Blaylock only had one impressive game against conference teams. I’m sure someone will be more than willing to point it out if the can think of an exception, but our great backs, and great backs in general, are consistent and go to the post darn near every game. Mixon and Perine and Gray and Brooks … those guys weren’t constantly missing games or only getting a few carries for 12 yards because they were “banged up.” And I know they had better blocking and a better offensive coach, but the also frequently did stuff that jumped off the screen. I know X has had a few long runs, but they pretty much all came during that one stretch this season and a two-game stretch his freshman season when they finally played him. His longest conference run outside that three-game stretch this season was 7 yards. That’s … not good.

 

[Eielson]

I'm much more bearish about out pathetic WR room which I get to hear every year is so talented and loaded and then they are straight bums

Sategna had a great season and Burks shredded the the top 15 defense (Michigan) prior to QB injury and another (Alabama) once the injury had fully healed.

I've repeated myself many times, but retention are no different than additions in this era. Sategna very easily could have been drafted or gone to any program in the country, so that was a huge recruiting win. I certainly don't consider him the best WR in the country, but given the continuity and known success with our current QB and OC, there's not anybody I would clearly swap out for this season. We also added to known P5 contributors, so we have 3 guys now that have succeeded in the role they are tasked.

 

[Eielson]

You pointed to Ott being the most "talented" back OU had last year.

Ott's career average per carry is 4.8 yards. If you just look at his first 2 years at Cal, it's 5.3.

Robinson has averaged 5.0 yards per carry in his two seasons, which both happen to be against SEC competition.

5.0 yards per carry may not match what AD, Mixon, or Perine did, but it's certainly very good. Everybody raved about Lacy (Ole Miss) last year. He averaged 5.1 yards per carry last year. The Baugh kid from Florida, many of whom thought would transfer to texas this year, averaged 5.3 yards per carry.

Robinson isn't far off from that at all. If you want to say health and ability to stay on the field is why you discount Robinson, fine. I can't debate that. But when he's on the field he's been pretty darn good.

Another comparison, Indiana's bell cow RB averaged 5.6 yards per carry. So again, that is the lead RB on the undefeated NC winning team that ran more than they passed, and their RB was getting 0.5 more yards per carry than Robinson last year.

Not to mention, that's not the RB we got. Post-injury, he averaged 3.3 ypc for Cal and 3.2 ypc for us. Anybody who watched him play and still thinks he was our most talented back in years is simply clueless.

 

[WTSooner]

Sategna had a great season and Burks shredded the the top 15 defense (Michigan) prior to QB injury and another (Alabama) once the injury had fully healed.

Injuries affected that room too.

Jayden Gibson - Gets hurt before the season and never gets right.

Javonnie Gibson - Gets hurt before the season, comes back later but clearly isn't 100%.

Keontez Lewis - Gets the concussion early, misses some games.

I feel like I'm missing someone, but that alone is quite a bit.

We'll be much better at the top of the WR rotation this year, for sure.

 

[Eielson]

Injuries affected that room too.

Jayden Gibson - Gets hurt before the season and never gets right.

Javonnie Gibson - Gets hurt before the season, comes back later but clearly isn't 100%.

Keontez Lewis - Gets the concussion early, misses some games.

I feel like I'm missing someone, but that alone is quite a bit.

We'll be much better at the top of the WR rotation this year, for sure.

WR1/WR2 duo wasn't anywhere near Alabma or Ohio State, but after the CFP game from Burks, it was pretty clear we had a top 15 duo. And that is likely the highest praise I'd give any part of our offense last year.

Will be a make or break year for the WR coach. The past 2 years have been hard to succeed at WR given the circumstances, but I would like to see better depth. It's not realistic to expect 5 WR1/2s, but there should be a lot of guys able to fill in as WR3.

 

[WichitaSooner]

So now X and two WRs are either in boots or using a crutch. Almost comical at this point.

 

[mict085]

So now X and two WRs are either in boots or using a crutch. Almost comical at this point.

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[WichitaSooner]

You should find a new team. Or maybe just STFU until the fall and football starts playing real games. Then you can complain about it. Nobody wants to hear you whine for the next 6 months about pointless crap.

Or, and here is a novel idea, you could simply choose not to read my posts. But I guess you can’t do that, since you are such a narcissist that you actually think I form my opinions based on what you post.

 

[Eielson]

So now X and two WRs are either in boots or using a crutch. Almost comical at this point.

The season is ruined!!!!!

 

[BoulderSooner]

So now X and two WRs are either in boots or using a crutch. Almost comical at this point.

minor off season cleanups are pretty normal across the country

 

[WichitaSooner]

minor off season cleanups are pretty normal across the country

I'm not suggesting the injuries themselves will linger till fall (although we have a recent history of that). But the point is, how many times recently have we heard the staff and fans and media say an injury is no big deal at the time, but then, when a guy either doesn't play or plays poorly, people will say. well, remember, he missed all of spring and/or summer? I mean, it was all people said the first month of the season about Ott when searching for an explanation for why he wasn't playing. And regardless of what people say, it IS concerning that our two lead RBs have both been injured to some extent for several months now. Blaylock got hurt in the first half of the first game of his career and it has affected him ever since. X has had issues. When you desperately need to improve your running game and your two main guys have barely practiced in months, that seems bad. I am not worried about Stone and Jackson, for instance. Our defense is good and those guys have established themselves. But if we really want the offense to make the jump they need to make, having a ton of guys hobbling around on boots isn't a great start.

 

[Eielson]

I'm not suggesting the injuries themselves will linger till fall (although we have a recent history of that). But the point is, how many times recently have we heard the staff and fans and media say an injury is no big deal at the time, but then, when a guy either doesn't play or plays poorly, people will say. well, remember, he missed all of spring and/or summer? I mean, it was all people said the first month of the season about Ott when searching for an explanation for why he wasn't playing. And regardless of what people say, it IS concerning that our two lead RBs have both been injured to some extent for several months now. Blaylock got hurt in the first half of the first game of his career and it has affected him ever since. X has had issues. When you desperately need to improve your running game and your two main guys have barely practiced in months, that seems bad. I am not worried about Stone and Jackson, for instance. Our defense is good and those guys have established themselves. But if we really want the offense to make the jump they need to make, having a ton of guys hobbling around on boots isn't a great start.

It's funny that the same guy who spent all season pretending Mateer's broken throwing hand didn't affect his throwing is pretending we're doomed based on a handful of guys missing spring practice.

 

[WichitaSooner]

It's funny that the same guy who spent all season pretending Mateer's broken throwing hand didn't affect his throwing is pretending we're doomed based on a handful of guys missing spring practice.

First, Mateer didn't break his "hand" any more than Forsythe broke his "leg." Second, I said Mateer was bad (at best, mediocre) throwing the ball before the injury. Third, I said that I don't think a thumb injury affects the ability to read a defense, see open receivers, or causes a guy to throw while jumping backwards, since he was doing that before the injury.

 

[Eielson]

First, Mateer didn't break his "hand"

You can't possibly be this stupid.

 

[WichitaSooner]

You can't possibly be this stupid.

So a broken toe is a broken foot? I’ve broken my thumb and another finger. Never in a million years would I have claimed I broke my hand on either occasion. You know why? Because it would have been a lie.

 

[Eielson]

So a broken toe is a broken foot? I’ve broken my thumb and another finger. Never in a million years would I have claimed I broke my hand on either occasion. You know why? Because it would have been a lie.

It's pretty simple -- he had right hand surgery for a broken bone in his throwing hand. Arguing against that is just untreated personality disorder.

My understanding is that he broke his first metacarpal. Did he break all 27 bones in his hand -- no. Based on that standard, I'm not sure it's even possible to break all 27 from one injury and keep the hand even remotely intact. Maybe in military or heavy machinery, but I feel relatively confident nobody has ever simultaneously broken all 27 bones in their hand in a sporting event.

If you want to get more precise, that's great! I love precision! But by your standard, he would need to break all three bones in his thumb to have truly broken his thumb, which did not happen. Hard to imagine at least based on the mechanism of injury.

Furthermore, depending on where the break was, this can be about as much of a wrist surgery as it is a thumb surgery.

 

[hoopsaustin]

The season is ruined!!!!!

Cancel it

 

[SoonerDutch]

Second, I said Mateer was bad (at best, mediocre) throwing the ball before the injury.

Mateer was putting up a mid 70ish QBR before the Auburn game. That’s top 25ish level production. That’s “bad?”

Guy is not Baker/Kyler and I know you think OU could magically find more production there but coaches “aren’t even considering that angle.” That’s good enough to get where this team’s goals are IMO.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Mateer was putting up a mid 70ish QBR before the Auburn game. That’s top 25ish level production. That’s “bad?”

Guy is not Baker/Kyler and I know you think OU could magically find more production there but coaches “aren’t even considering that angle.” That’s good enough to get where this team’s goals are IMO.

You cite a stat that includes rushing in its formula. I said he was bad throwing. In his two games against FBS competition before the injury, he completed 60 percent of his passes and had as many picks as TDs. Those numbers are both bad in this era.