Forte

[Price is Right]

Played for Dewey and we had some great rivalry games with Mr Clark and Verdigris hated him then, loved watching him in college though... I think that's a decent comparison although Clark did play the point for Butler... Totally agree Ada, Forte has a lot of on court oppurtunities once he's finished up at OSU.

 

[SilliSooner]

Rotnei Clarke seems to have the longest Wiki of any non-NBA player I've seen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotnei_Clarke

 

[oSuJeff97]

Like Forte, he was a pure shooter from deep. That's not enough to earn Phil a serious look from an NBA team. But it might be enough for him to earn a little cash the way Clarke is doing now.

Where Forte has really evolved his game this year is that he's not almost exclusively bombing from deep.

He's shooting 51% on 2-point field goals this year, and they comprise 43% of his total field goal attempts.

He's almost doubled the amount of 2-point field goals he's attempted this year (as a percentage of total shots) compared to his first two years, which was 25% and 24%, respectively.

He also didn't shoot particularly well from 2-point range his first two years either, shooting 39% and 47%, respectively.

(Note that the 47% was his freshman year, when he only had 64 2-point attempts. He's already passed that number half way through this year.)

 

[thebigabd]

drugs stop taking them ..

he is not a pg .. so which one of our GREAT 2 way wings is he starting over ..

answer .. neither .. and it is not close

He is a better player than Cousins.

PG: Jordan Woodard
SG: Phil Forte
SG: Buddy Hield
PF: Ryan Spangler
PF: TaShawn Thomas

Cousins would come off the bench at the 1/2/3 spots.

 

[Swans]

What I saw last night was a guy who moves very well without the ball, play solid defense, consistently hit shots with someone in his face and even beat his man off the dribble to score at the basket. He's a lot better than some of us give him credit for and I wish we'd gotten him and Rotnei. Think we'd have been better with both players.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Price had the benefit of playing on much better teams than Forte did.

If this OSU team was a top 15-type team, Forte would get a lot more credit.

I think that argument goes the exact opposite.. forte is on a bad team.. so he can shoot whenever he wants.. no pressure

 

[hoopsaustin]

He is a better player than Cousins.

PG: Jordan Woodard
SG: Phil Forte
SG: Buddy Hield
PF: Ryan Spangler
PF: TaShawn Thomas

Cousins would come off the bench at the 1/2/3 spots.

Haha... wow.. cousins is better than hield.. so i don't think cousins would come off the bench

 

[garyeb2]

I don't understand this Forte conversation. He wouldn't be a starter for us or any other good team. This comparison to Clarke isn't valid. He was the premier shooting guard in the country when we missed on him. Forte, on the other hand, is the premier shooting guard in Stillwater.

Every decent mid major in the country has a guard just like him.

 

[bocabull]

Forte is now one of the best shooters in the country? lol At below 45% from the field & below 40% from 3? What does that make Cousins then? He's shooting 47% from the field & 45% from 3 while grabbing over 6 boards. He's orders of magnitude better than Forte in every aspect.

Here's what Forte is, the scorer on a team with 1 win against top 110 teams. Somebody has to score. So yeah, if you want to be a very mediocre team then Forte is your guy. If you want to hang with the big boys Cousins is your man.

It's so funny when ABD gets his poke boner every season. It's always time to sell them short.

 

[steverocks35]

Actually somebody did say Forte was becoming a possible NBA prospect, early in this very thread.

That was me in a moment of temporary insanity, I've been convinced otherwise.

 

[opsooner]

He is a better player than Cousins.

PG: Jordan Woodard
SG: Phil Forte
SG: Buddy Hield
PF: Ryan Spangler
PF: TaShawn Thomas

Cousins would come off the bench at the 1/2/3 spots.

Forte is a good player and he would probably take Cousins in H-O-R-S-E (dunks prohibited) but no way he is starting at OU over Cousins. Perhaps if we had a dominant 7-footer in the middle but not otherwise.

 

[HoHum]

Cousins' eFG%: 56.5 - Forte's eFG%: 54.5
Cousins' ORating: 112.1 - Forte's ORating: 116.6

Just for kicks, last year Forte's eFG% was 59.3, and Cousins' was 50.9.

To continue the comparison. Forte has a slightly higher assist rate, a much higher steal rate. While Cousins is a much better rebounder. Forte also gets to the line about twice as often as Cousins does.

Forte's percentage of possessions where he shoots is 24%, while Cousins is at 21.1%

This is all according to kenpom.

 

[TINY]

Cousins' eFG%: 56.5 - Forte's eFG%: 54.5
Cousins' ORating: 112.1 - Forte's ORating: 116.6

Just for kicks, last year Forte's eFG% was 59.3, and Cousins' was 50.9.

To continue the comparison. Forte has a slightly higher assist rate, a much higher steal rate. While Cousins is a much better rebounder. Forte also gets to the line about twice as often as Cousins does.

Forte's percentage of possessions where he shoots is 24%, while Cousins is at 21.1%

This is all according to kenpom.

I could get my shot off over forte about 75% of the time...I'm 6-1.

Cuz would throw my sh1t into the seats about 90% of the time.

 

[HoHum]

I could get my shot off over forte about 75% of the time...I'm 6-1.

Cuz would throw my sh1t into the seats about 90% of the time.

This is very useful data.

 

[TINY]

This is very useful data.

I guess I will spell it out for you.

Forte is 5-9 just like your coach. He's a liability on defense.

Cousins is one of the best defensive guards in the country. There's no comparison.

 

[BigTime]

This is very useful data.

Hohum...

 

[BigTime]

I'll take Cousins...

 

[AdaSooner]

He is a better player than Cousins.

PG: Jordan Woodard
SG: Phil Forte
SG: Buddy Hield
PF: Ryan Spangler
PF: TaShawn Thomas

Cousins would come off the bench at the 1/2/3 spots.

Are you cracking jokes again?

Forte would not start over Cousins. If you want to know the truth, he wouldn't start for OU in any capacity this season. He's not a PG, so forget the notion that he would run our offense. He's too short to play the two, except as a sub off of the bench. His stroke from deep would give him the edge over Booker, but that's all he would add to this OU team.

 

[HoHum]

I guess I will spell it out for you.

Forte is 5-9 just like your coach. He's a liability on defense.

Cousins is one of the best defensive guards in the country. There's no comparison.

I understand what you're saying. I know Forte is shorter than Cousins, and I haven't watched much of OU or Cousins this year, but I don't doubt Cousins' physical advantages probably make him a better overall defender. But he has 5 more blocks than Forte this year (5-0), you're making it sound like Cousins is swatting a handful of shots every game or something. But, I was more making light of the fact that I used actual data to compare the two (notice I did not say which one I would pick, or editorialize on the data), and you bring up some random percentages that you came up with guessing how often you, as a non-D1 college basketball player (I'm assuming) could get a shot off against them. Which to me, means absolutely nothing as far as comparison goes.

Forte is also leading the Big XII in steals and steals per game, strictly based on that alone, I wouldn't call him a liability. He's not Keiton Page on defense, who certainly was a liability unless he got to guard Dogus Balbay.

 

[JBaker]

Are you cracking jokes again?

Forte would not start over Cousins. If you want to know the truth, he wouldn't start for OU in any capacity this season. He's not a PG, so forget the notion that he would run our offense. He's too short to play the two, except as a sub off of the bench. His stroke from deep would give him the edge over Booker, but that's all he would add to this OU team.

Exactly.
He would be an excellent player off the bench for us, and could probably get near 20 minutes a game, but he wouldn't start on this OU roster. He doesn't do any single aspect better enough than Hield or Cousins to make up for the drop off in defense and rebounding.